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I guess that "half an album of songs" are the songs that are more or less in the can and that everybody can agree on.

I can't really imagine that Mick might run out of songs or ideas for songs anytime soon (not so sure about Keith, so far as it's about songs that don't all sound the same).

I'll be happy with a 6-8 song LP at this point - without a boringly bad reggae cover.

Consider Mick's non-Stones work the past, oh, 18 years or so - really bad, overall. Throw in his horrible solo-Stones songs (Sweet Neo Con, Streets Of Love and a plethora of others going as far back as VOODOO LOUNGE, with some, like his Kenny Loggins wannabe song that was so bad that fortunately didn't get finished and on through what happened on BRIDGES TO BABYLON and the two horrible LICKS songs Keys To Your Love and Stealing Your Heart and his benign 2 solo songs from 2017) and suddenly Keith's 3 or 4 good ideas take some new weight to them.

If they could just collaborate, whittle down Mick's 20-40 ideas with Keith dictating what's good and Mick being adamant about what is good (and if it's Brown Sugar/Sway/etc kind of good then great)... and Keith adding his bits, then maybe there'd be something pretty good.

It's unfortunate that such a legacy has been watered down so severely since 1989 and was never given a chance to recover enough that a lot of people are pleased with the fact that they'll possibly do something. That is just sad. It's why BLUE AND LONESOME is so awesome - because they did something and it's pretty damn good - the only problem being it's not an original Stones LP.

Hell, a 6 to 8 track LP sounds perfect these days.

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I guess that "half an album of songs" are the songs that are more or less in the can and that everybody can agree on.

I can't really imagine that Mick might run out of songs or ideas for songs anytime soon (not so sure about Keith, so far as it's about songs that don't all sound the same).

I'll be happy with a 6-8 song LP at this point - without a boringly bad reggae cover.

Consider Mick's non-Stones work the past, oh, 18 years or so - really bad, overall. Throw in his horrible solo-Stones songs (Sweet Neo Con, Streets Of Love and a plethora of others going as far back as VOODOO LOUNGE, with some, like his Kenny Loggins wannabe song that was so bad that fortunately didn't get finished and on through what happened on BRIDGES TO BABYLON and the two horrible LICKS songs Keys To Your Love and Stealing Your Heart and his benign 2 solo songs from 2017) and suddenly Keith's 3 or 4 good ideas take some new weight to them.

If they could just collaborate, whittle down Mick's 20-40 ideas with Keith dictating what's good and Mick being adamant about what is good (and if it's Brown Sugar/Sway/etc kind of good then great)... and Keith adding his bits, then maybe there'd be something pretty good.

It's unfortunate that such a legacy has been watered down so severely since 1989 and was never given a chance to recover enough that a lot of people are pleased with the fact that they'll possibly do something. That is just sad. It's why BLUE AND LONESOME is so awesome - because they did something and it's pretty damn good - the only problem being it's not an original Stones LP.

Hell, a 6 to 8 track LP sounds perfect these days.

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No, it's not Lonely At The Top. It was from the VOODOO sessions. I can't remember what it's called. Something along the lines "Because I'm a hungry man" or "I'm a lonely man" or "I'm your lover man" or some grunting awful thing.

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No, it's not Lonely At The Top. It was from the VOODOO sessions. I can't remember what it's called. Something along the lines "Because I'm a hungry man" or "I'm a lonely man" or "I'm your lover man" or some grunting awful thing.

Lol...ok. Didn't realize there was another Kenny Loggins wannabe tune in Mick's bag of tricks - sometimes ignorance is bliss.

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No, it's not Lonely At The Top. It was from the VOODOO sessions. I can't remember what it's called. Something along the lines "Because I'm a hungry man" or "I'm a lonely man" or "I'm your lover man" or some grunting awful thing.

Lol...ok. Didn't realize there was another Kenny Loggins wannabe tune in Mick's bag of tricks - sometimes ignorance is bliss.

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No, it's not Lonely At The Top. It was from the VOODOO sessions. I can't remember what it's called. Something along the lines "Because I'm a hungry man" or "I'm a lonely man" or "I'm your lover man" or some grunting awful thing.

Lol...ok. Didn't realize there was another Kenny Loggins wannabe tune in Mick's bag of tricks - sometimes ignorance is bliss.

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Sadly, it is "Honest Man" that our friend GasLight fails to appreciate.

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I just checked page 1 of this thread, which began on December 9, 2016.

At that time, band members were saying they had half an album of material.

Remember how they went into the studio in 2012 and recorded 2 songs in 1 week?

Now it's taking 2 years just to get the other 6 or 7 songs together.

Perhaps the touring every year and only devoting those couple of months each year to concert activity is taking its toll.

Or maybe they just can't come up with new material anymore.

When you've spent the last dozen years dusting off the archives from the back catalogue, it could be hard to build back the momentum to take their music in new directions -- that is, if that's what a new release of original material is intended to do for them.

Maybe a better idea would be to just release a live album of the 2018 tour, round the holidays, and tack their best half dozen tracks or so of recently recorded music onto a bonus disc.

At least that would guarantee better sales of a live album.

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Doom & Gloom & One More Shot were not RS songs conceived during that week. Those songs were already written.. one by Mick .. one by Keith. D & G was brought in by Mick .. One More Shot was brought in by Keith. The band simply touched them up writing wise a tad and then recorded them.


The band had half an album done when they said the album was half finished .. not only half an album worth of written material conjured up .. There is a big difference between the two concepts.

As well .. there were some songs that needed reshaped and re-cut possibly according to Woody.


It isn't like in two years all they could come up with was six total songs between Mick .. Keith .. and both Mick and Keith together lol. I think at one point Don Was mentioned Mick having 20-30 songs himself he was bringing to the table (sure.. not fully written..but still song ideas).


The way I see it (and get it from reading between the lines) ...this time is quality .. not quantity on this album. Seems as though they are only letting through and working up and then finally recording the very strongest tracks of the slews .. meaning they only have 6-8 done at this point.

The rest (final selection of tracks for the album) will be finished off within the next couple months .. Then there is your album ready for mixing at some point.


Isn't like they could only muster 6 songs or so in over two friggin years lol

Agree with most of this, but I really do hope that they use quality over quantity this time. I like all the SW to ABB albums, but they do suffer from being too long. Even B&L is a tad too long, but that album is what it is. 10 songs, 1 for Keith (and not being the last song), 1 or 2 covers (one from the last CB album that came out last year would be a nice tribute), keep the genres to a minimum (not another album of rock, blues, soul, dance, electronica, ballads etc. Keep it to rock, blues, 1 ballad and 1 soul song and that's it). When it's more concise, an album usually is stronger. Of course with curve balls added like Keith did on Crosseyeed Heart. If they do add a cover song, it'd be great with that awesome version they always do of Can't Turn You Loose. That's a better showstopper than most of their own songs. They never did a studio version, so now could be a great time to do that. It's the Stones equivalent of Springsteen doing Shout!

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Sadly, it is "Honest Man" that our friend GasLight fails to appreciate.

Hmmm...that's not too bad a song with some nice harp and Stonesy guitar riffage - can't hear the Kenny Loggins in it!

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I guess that "half an album of songs" are the songs that are more or less in the can and that everybody can agree on.

I can't really imagine that Mick might run out of songs or ideas for songs anytime soon (not so sure about Keith, so far as it's about songs that don't all sound the same).

I'll be happy with a 6-8 song LP at this point - without a boringly bad reggae cover.

Consider Mick's non-Stones work the past, oh, 18 years or so - really bad, overall. Throw in his horrible solo-Stones songs (Sweet Neo Con, Streets Of Love and a plethora of others going as far back as VOODOO LOUNGE, with some, like his Kenny Loggins wannabe song that was so bad that fortunately didn't get finished and on through what happened on BRIDGES TO BABYLON and the two horrible LICKS songs Keys To Your Love and Stealing Your Heart and his benign 2 solo songs from 2017) and suddenly Keith's 3 or 4 good ideas take some new weight to them.

If they could just collaborate, whittle down Mick's 20-40 ideas with Keith dictating what's good and Mick being adamant about what is good (and if it's Brown Sugar/Sway/etc kind of good then great)... and Keith adding his bits, then maybe there'd be something pretty good.

It's unfortunate that such a legacy has been watered down so severely since 1989 and was never given a chance to recover enough that a lot of people are pleased with the fact that they'll possibly do something. That is just sad. It's why BLUE AND LONESOME is so awesome - because they did something and it's pretty damn good - the only problem being it's not an original Stones LP.

Hell, a 6 to 8 track LP sounds perfect these days.

GasGreenLight: That would be great--but--is that how they work these days? I mean, can they? I don't want to be pessimistic but...hey, I don't know.

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Sadly, it is "Honest Man" that our friend GasLight fails to appreciate.

Hmmm...that's not too bad a song with some nice harp and Stonesy guitar riffage - can't hear the Kenny Loggins in it!

It's the line about "I move into the danger zone" that does it for GasLight.

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Sadly, it is "Honest Man" that our friend GasLight fails to appreciate.

Hmmm...that's not too bad a song with some nice harp and Stonesy guitar riffage - can't hear the Kenny Loggins in it!

It's the line about "I move into the danger zone" that does it for GasLight.

Yer killing me!!!

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Sadly, it is "Honest Man" that our friend GasLight fails to appreciate.

Oh how awful... you figured out the crap song I was on about.

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Yer killing me!!!

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I just checked page 1 of this thread, which began on December 9, 2016.

At that time, band members were saying they had half an album of material.

Remember how they went into the studio in 2012 and recorded 2 songs in 1 week?

Now it's taking 2 years just to get the other 6 or 7 songs together.

Perhaps the touring every year and only devoting those couple of months each year to concert activity is taking its toll.

Or maybe they just can't come up with new material anymore.

When you've spent the last dozen years dusting off the archives from the back catalogue, it could be hard to build back the momentum to take their music in new directions -- that is, if that's what a new release of original material is intended to do for them.

Maybe a better idea would be to just release a live album of the 2018 tour, round the holidays, and tack their best half dozen tracks or so of recently recorded music onto a bonus disc.

At least that would guarantee better sales of a live album.

__________________________________________


Doom & Gloom & One More Shot were not RS songs conceived during that week. Those songs were already written.. one by Mick .. one by Keith. D & G was brought in by Mick .. One More Shot was brought in by Keith. The band simply touched them up writing wise a tad and then recorded them.


The band had half an album done when they said the album was half finished .. not only half an album worth of written material conjured up .. There is a big difference between the two concepts.

As well .. there were some songs that needed reshaped and re-cut possibly according to Woody.


It isn't like in two years all they could come up with was six total songs between Mick .. Keith .. and both Mick and Keith together lol. I think at one point Don Was mentioned Mick having 20-30 songs himself he was bringing to the table (sure.. not fully written..but still song ideas).


The way I see it (and get it from reading between the lines) ...this time is quality .. not quantity on this album. Seems as though they are only letting through and working up and then finally recording the very strongest tracks of the slews .. meaning they only have 6-8 done at this point.

The rest (final selection of tracks for the album) will be finished off within the next couple months .. Then there is your album ready for mixing at some point.


Isn't like they could only muster 6 songs or so in over two friggin years lol

Agree with most of this, but I really do hope that they use quality over quantity this time. I like all the SW to ABB albums, but they do suffer from being too long. Even B&L is a tad too long, but that album is what it is. 10 songs, 1 for Keith (and not being the last song), 1 or 2 covers (one from the last CB album that came out last year would be a nice tribute), keep the genres to a minimum (not another album of rock, blues, soul, dance, electronica, ballads etc. Keep it to rock, blues, 1 ballad and 1 soul song and that's it). When it's more concise, an album usually is stronger. Of course with curve balls added like Keith did on Crosseyeed Heart. If they do add a cover song, it'd be great with that awesome version they always do of Can't Turn You Loose. That's a better showstopper than most of their own songs. They never did a studio version, so now could be a great time to do that. It's the Stones equivalent of Springsteen doing Shout!

Funny because when in my last post, when I mentioned "some decent cover songs" as a possibility to pad out an album (just like in the old days, btw.!), I had this one in mind. It sureley would not hurt! A studio version of "I'll Go Crazy" would also be very nice. This is stuff that has not been covered to death already by other artists.

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Why not release an Christmas Album? The can manage it until November, they don't need to write songs etc. And they have the age. Would be horrible? Well, wasn't ABB horrible as well ;-)

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Why not release an Christmas Album? The can manage it until November, they don't need to write songs etc. And they have the age. Would be horrible? Well, wasn't ABB horrible as well ;-)

Another album of cheesy Christmas standards (not that I dislike them, for a couple of days in a year), as done before by many other artists? Or maybe a reinterpretation of their own repertoire ...

I laid traps for Rudolph and Vixen,
when Santa sold his soul (well, at least his green suit)
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Even this thread continuing until page 336 won't change a thing - the "new album" will not be top priority,

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... - without a boringly bad reggae cover. ...

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ABB is not half as bad as some of you make out.

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13th January .... is there a good studio down in India or is Mick just wantin' to fly a Stones tongue at the Festival of Kites ....?????????????

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As we see, there is no rush to finish the album, family and personal time is their #1 priority.