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The band will try to get an album's worth of good songs to release, at least 15 songs are ready (except mixes) but not all the songs are that great according to some people, some GREAT songs in there but some UNEVEN stuff too, they're not so convinced so far.

13 years is a lot of time, the pressure must be very high to release something worth the wait, they don't want to release another Bigger Bang, 16-18 generic songs, they want something good this time.

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*From what you know and have heard there ....When (what year) is the release planned / projected / hoped for? ...2018?

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Not sure if it was a 'brick' wall specifically...could have been drywall or a wood wall?
But whenever you mentioned that Rockman, I always thought you were referring to brickwalling the mix aka everything at the same loud volume .
Speaking of them hitting a wall though - I think it was Don Was who originally said that...or maybe Ronnie?
Hopefully they were able to put the wall back together again.

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It was Don Was who said 'then we hit a brick wall'.

That statement ..of course .. was super blown out of proportion over and over here. I think it was a halt on 'one song' .. Don Was said ..Which spontaneously opened the door for the B&L three day excursion. They went right back to working on the material in that same two week session and a few times there after.

The whole 'hit a brick wall' thing was blown Waaaaay out of proportion.

Found the quote - it was a halt after three days of trying to play new material, not on 'one song'
Here's the exact quote:

"We'd gone in the studio to start cutting some new songs," said Was, who has worked with the band since 1994.

"Around day three we just hit a wall... and Keith suggested that, to cleanse the creative palette, we played Blue and Lonesome, the Little Walter song"

I wouldn't say it was "blown Waaaaay out of proportion"...they stopped working on new material and decided to record a bunch of blues covers instead.
Yes they went back to working on new material eventually, but not after finalizing Blue and Lonesome first, and here we are more than a year later still without a new album.
Had they not "hit the wall", we might be listening to a new album this very moment, but maybe 'the wall' was a blessing as they're taking sweet their time to make sure they deliver an album for the ages.
In that sense we should be thanking 'the wall' rather than trying to diminish it's importance in this long drawn out process.

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The band will try to get an album's worth of good songs to release, at least 15 songs are ready (except mixes) but not all the songs are that great according to some people, some GREAT songs in there but some UNEVEN stuff too, they're not so convinced so far.

13 years is a lot of time, the pressure must be very high to release something worth the wait, they don't want to release another Bigger Bang, 16-18 generic songs, they want something good this time.

They should replace the uneven stuff with the best stuff from previous sessions!

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Not sure if it was a 'brick' wall specifically...could have been drywall or a wood wall?
But whenever you mentioned that Rockman, I always thought you were referring to brickwalling the mix aka everything at the same loud volume .
Speaking of them hitting a wall though - I think it was Don Was who originally said that...or maybe Ronnie?
Hopefully they were able to put the wall back together again.

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It was Don Was who said 'then we hit a brick wall'.

That statement ..of course .. was super blown out of proportion over and over here. I think it was a halt on 'one song' .. Don Was said ..Which spontaneously opened the door for the B&L three day excursion. They went right back to working on the material in that same two week session and a few times there after.

The whole 'hit a brick wall' thing was blown Waaaaay out of proportion.

Found the quote - it was a halt after three days of trying to play new material, not on 'one song'
Here's the exact quote:

"We'd gone in the studio to start cutting some new songs," said Was, who has worked with the band since 1994.

"Around day three we just hit a wall... and Keith suggested that, to cleanse the creative palette, we played Blue and Lonesome, the Little Walter song"

I wouldn't say it was "blown Waaaaay out of proportion"...they stopped working on new material and decided to record a bunch of blues covers instead.
Yes they went back to working on new material eventually, but not after finalizing Blue and Lonesome first, and here we are more than a year later still without a new album.
Had they not "hit the wall", we might be listening to a new album this very moment, but maybe 'the wall' was a blessing as they're taking sweet their time to make sure they deliver an album for the ages.
In that sense we should be thanking 'the wall' rather than trying to diminish it's importance in this long drawn out process.

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Sure it was way exaggerated. Many people here were saying they hit this brick wall and never went back to the new stuff or that they couldn't carry on with the new stuff because they couldn't and that they were done writing songs because that had nothing left all based on that 'brick wall' comment?


That wasn't true at all ... they went back into the studio a few times since then to work on the new material and Mick & Keith did a week long writing stint together and they each went into the studio separately .. That is simply what we know of ...there may be more days they spent here and there that we didn't get wind of.


Many here were saying they hit a brick wall and it was obvious their song writing days are over and that's the end of all that (album included in the end of all that). I'd say that mind set and those beliefs were ...well ...pretty darn over blown lol.



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The band will try to get an album's worth of good songs to release, at least 15 songs are ready (except mixes) but not all the songs are that great according to some people, some GREAT songs in there but some UNEVEN stuff too, they're not so convinced so far.

13 years is a lot of time, the pressure must be very high to release something worth the wait, they don't want to release another Bigger Bang, 16-18 generic songs, they want something good this time.

They should replace the uneven stuff with the best stuff from previous sessions!

As there most probably would be different views on what is good and what not quite as good, I'd rather have all the material.

From Uncut Magazine - February 2018

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Thanks Cristiano - another glimmer of hope for the album, but he doesn't sound so certain about the British tour yet?!!!
I thought that was already a done deal...

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Thanks Cristiano - another glimmer of hope for the album, but he doesn't sound so certain about the British tour yet?!!!
I thought that was already a done deal...

The tour is in the can!

Oh, wait...

The whole 'hit a brick wall' thing was blown Waaaaay out of proportion.

Of course it was .... just wanted it to return cause I kinda get a kick
out of reading grown men going on and on about it like it was the end of the album ..... hhhhaaaa



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The whole 'hit a brick wall' thing was blown Waaaaay out of proportion.

Of course it was .... just wanted it to return cause I kinda get a kick
out of reading grown men going on and on about it like it was the end of the album ..... hhhhaaaa

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I knew your recent comment about it was a joke ..


Thing is ... some people are actually still stuck on that... as you poked a lil fun with (not you ...or Hairball ...or anyone I can even think of directly ... Not going to name people even if I could tho).

Praise The Wall

(possible new album title )

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From Uncut Magazine - February 2018

Thanks Cristiano!

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So .. Seems as if after the first of the year they plan on hunkering down and finally stitching this one together and cementing the album.


Keith talks (BS's) a lot .. We all know that... but everything is pointing to him being on the level or his statements have some truth this time.



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..... Yep Ian ....

The Glimmers must have good laugh about it all ....
They've been workin the press for like half a century and they know how ta do well ... seasoned performers



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Thanks Cristiano!

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So .. Seems as if after the first of the year they plan on hunkering down and finally stitching this one together and cementing the album.


Keith talks (BS's) a lot .. We all know that... but everything is pointing to him being on the level or his statements have some truth this time.

Definitely sounds more promising than the recent "still a lot to do, sounding good, working on it"...at least Keith is giving some sort of timeline of finishing it.
But he then goes on to say "when it comes out is another thing, of course..."

Hopefully it will be in time for next years Christmas season!

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Thanks Cristiano!

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So .. Seems as if after the first of the year they plan on hunkering down and finally stitching this one together and cementing the album.


Keith talks (BS's) a lot .. We all know that... but everything is pointing to him being on the level or his statements have some truth this time.

Definitely sounds more promising than the recent "still a lot to do, sounding good, working on it"...at least Keith is giving some sort of timeline of finishing it.
But he then goes on to say "when it comes out is another thing, of course..."

Hopefully it will be in time for next years Christmas season!

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Lol Ikr ... It's almost like he is sayin ... "yeah we are gonna start to finally finish it right after the new year ... however when the record company and us feel is the best time to put it out still 'open season'.." ...



Geeeeze. My thought is still late...late ... summer or very early fall of 18.



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The album will be released when its done and when the time is right to get the best sales, right now the best sales are on late November and December, but the album should be ready first.

Might have missed this but it seems that this is what Keith was doing in the studio for that Instagram (or Twitter ?) picture : overdubbing stuff for Buddy Guy...Apparently he won't bother with Stones material until Mick gives him a call and then we wonder why Stones albums sound like Mick solo albums !



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Might have missed this but it seems that this is what Keith was doing in the studio for that Instagram (or Twitter ?) picture : overdubbing stuff for Buddy Guy...Apparently he won't bother with Stones material until Mick gives him a call and then we wonder why Stones albums sound like Mick solo albums !

Oh no, not ABB again!!



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Might have missed this but it seems that this is what Keith was doing in the studio for that Instagram (or Twitter ?) picture : overdubbing stuff for Buddy Guy...Apparently he won't bother with Stones material until Mick gives him a call and then we wonder why Stones albums sound like Mick solo albums !

Oh no, not ABB again!!

Probably

Not that ABB was a bad album...but lets hope for something a little more ambitious.

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Might have missed this but it seems that this is what Keith was doing in the studio for that Instagram (or Twitter ?) picture : overdubbing stuff for Buddy Guy...Apparently he won't bother with Stones material until Mick gives him a call and then we wonder why Stones albums sound like Mick solo albums !

Oh no, not ABB again!!

Probably

Not that ABB was a bad album...but lets hope for something a little more ambitious.

I think you've been too kind!!

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Might have missed this but it seems that this is what Keith was doing in the studio for that Instagram (or Twitter ?) picture : overdubbing stuff for Buddy Guy...Apparently he won't bother with Stones material until Mick gives him a call and then we wonder why Stones albums sound like Mick solo albums !

Oh no, not ABB again!!

With the raised perspective in mind, the following quote is very much interesting to me then, as to who contributed to make A BIGGER BANG end up sounding like it did, and who wanted to modify it

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Funny thing to consider is if Keith's claim in LIFE holds true - that Mick would wanted to record the whole album (A BIGGER BANG) again in a proper studio, but Keith and Was vetoed (because they liked the 'raw feel' on it, or something) - what it would have turned to be like? Had it been polished too much and over-produced? Or could the band have found some new spark and angle to the songs, developed them further, and proper musicians playing the proper instruments, etc?

- Doxa

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Might have missed this but it seems that this is what Keith was doing in the studio for that Instagram (or Twitter ?) picture : overdubbing stuff for Buddy Guy...Apparently he won't bother with Stones material until Mick gives him a call and then we wonder why Stones albums sound like Mick solo albums !

Oh no, not ABB again!!

With the raised perspective in mind, the following quote is very much interesting to me then, as to who contributed to make A BIGGER BANG end up sounding like it did, and who wanted to modify it

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Doxa
Funny thing to consider is if Keith's claim in LIFE holds true - that Mick would wanted to record the whole album (A BIGGER BANG) again in a proper studio, but Keith and Was vetoed (because they liked the 'raw feel' on it, or something) - what it would have turned to be like? Had it been polished too much and over-produced? Or could the band have found some new spark and angle to the songs, developed them further, and proper musicians playing the proper instruments, etc?

- Doxa

That might have been to avoid adding synthesisers, loops, samples and other «current-sounding» stuff on it, though.

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Might have missed this but it seems that this is what Keith was doing in the studio for that Instagram (or Twitter ?) picture : overdubbing stuff for Buddy Guy...Apparently he won't bother with Stones material until Mick gives him a call and then we wonder why Stones albums sound like Mick solo albums !

Oh no, not ABB again!!

With the raised perspective in mind, the following quote is very much interesting to me then, as to who contributed to make A BIGGER BANG end up sounding like it did, and who wanted to modify it

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Doxa
Funny thing to consider is if Keith's claim in LIFE holds true - that Mick would wanted to record the whole album (A BIGGER BANG) again in a proper studio, but Keith and Was vetoed (because they liked the 'raw feel' on it, or something) - what it would have turned to be like? Had it been polished too much and over-produced? Or could the band have found some new spark and angle to the songs, developed them further, and proper musicians playing the proper instruments, etc?

- Doxa

That might have been to avoid adding synthesisers, loops, samples and other «current-sounding» stuff on it, though.

But still. Posters have quite regularly claimed that A BIGGER BANG sounds like a collection of demos. Almost always Mick Jagger has had to shoulder the blame for this.

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Might have missed this but it seems that this is what Keith was doing in the studio for that Instagram (or Twitter ?) picture : overdubbing stuff for Buddy Guy...Apparently he won't bother with Stones material until Mick gives him a call and then we wonder why Stones albums sound like Mick solo albums !

Oh no, not ABB again!!

With the raised perspective in mind, the following quote is very much interesting to me then, as to who contributed to make A BIGGER BANG end up sounding like it did, and who wanted to modify it

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Doxa
Funny thing to consider is if Keith's claim in LIFE holds true - that Mick would wanted to record the whole album (A BIGGER BANG) again in a proper studio, but Keith and Was vetoed (because they liked the 'raw feel' on it, or something) - what it would have turned to be like? Had it been polished too much and over-produced? Or could the band have found some new spark and angle to the songs, developed them further, and proper musicians playing the proper instruments, etc?

- Doxa

That might have been to avoid adding synthesisers, loops, samples and other «current-sounding» stuff on it, though.

But still. Posters have quite regularly claimed that A BIGGER BANG sounds like a collection of demos. Almost always Mick Jagger has had to shoulder the blame for this.

I know, but I don't know what they're basing that on. The songs are well-arranged and crafted.

The album is quite good. Its main flaw is within the mixing and mastering process, imo. It doesn't sound good. And there are too many songs on it, for my taste.

Nonsense. The only thing on ABB that sounds like an outtake is She Saw Me Coming. It is a mediocre album, that's the best possible category perhaps. The were not able anymore to deliver a "classic" in 2005 and they won't be able to in the future. Crosseyed Heart sounds like a collection of half-finished tunes. Hard to believe that it is made by the Talk Is Cheap-guy.

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Nonsense. The only thing on ABB that sounds like an outtake is She Saw Me Coming. It is a mediocre album, that's the best possible category perhaps. The were not able anymore to deliver a "classic" in 2005 and they won't be able to in the future. Crosseyed Heart sounds like a collection of half-finished tunes. Hard to believe that it is made by the Talk Is Cheap-guy.

Had they pushed Laugh, I Nearly Died as a single, they would have had better success, imo. They were too old anyway to stay relevant.

All Keith-albums sound half-finished, especially Talk Is Cheap. Crosseyed Heart is a little bit better developed, arranged and mixed.

She Saw Me Coming is one of the few songs on ABB you can crank up, still sounding great. I don't know your aquired taste, but you left me baffled on this one.

Sounds like you're talking about Oh No, Not You Again?

Whatever the covering analysis, Mick Jagger has since been specially singled out to carry the responsibility for negative aspects about the outcome of A BIGGER BANG.

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Whatever the covering analysis, Mick Jagger has since been specially singled out to carry the responsibility for negative aspects about the outcome of A BIGGER BANG.

The only reason for that is because he wrote most of the songs. But he didn't write as many songs as some posters think. Keith was more involved than what he got credit/the blame for..