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Given what we assume to be true about how Keith and Mick agreed to avoid a Bigger Bang redux — that is, Keith workshopping ideas with Steve — do we think Steve will get co-writing and producer credits on the new stuff? This was the custom when Keith brought Winos material to the Stones. Will it carry over to this new arrangement?

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Given what we assume to be true about how Keith and Mick agreed to avoid a Bigger Bang redux — that is, Keith workshopping ideas with Steve — do we think Steve will get co-writing and producer credits on the new stuff? This was the custom when Keith brought Winos material to the Stones. Will it carry over to this new arrangement?

i wonder that to

given that steve is far more involved in the creation of this stones album then any other one he's contributed to in the past it seems possible he could be credited on more then a couple songs

another question given how hard seemingly this album was to complete did they ask for or use any songs brought by ronnie

and if so will we be seeing any credit given to him

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another question given how hard seemingly this album was to complete did they ask for or use any songs brought by ronnie

and if so will we be seeing any credit given to him

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Am I the only one who thinks this is not so cool? Until we get to hear it, the talk here is going to be fully delusional and then when it's out we're going to have a big collective shrug

It's a bunch of 80 year-old's having a bit of fun.

What's not to like, it's adorable!

I agree, it's adorable, but are we all really that old here?

- Doxa

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No offense to Ronnie, but his songwriting capability and musical ideas in general leaves a bit to be desired imo. Sure there are a few gems throughout the decades ( with the Faces, the Stones, and solo),
but those gems are very few and far between. His main focus since quitting drugs and alcohol a decade or so ago has been painting and his art career, though even his painting skills leave a bit to be desired.
I guess you could say he's a jack of all trades, and a master of none as the old saying goes. His role with the Stones has always been an adequate sideman whether studio or live (even though he's offically a "Stone").
The bottom line - glad he's happy and relatively healthy considering all he's been through with drugs, alcohol, and various serious health issues, and when all is said and done thats really what matters most.

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another question given how hard seemingly this album was to complete did they ask for or use any songs brought by ronnie

and if so will we be seeing any credit given to him

They haven't give Ronnie a credit since what? DIRTY WORK? and supposedly used his song ideas either plus along the years Ronnie or anyone else has only talked about Mick and Keith's songs, so I guess it is unlikely that we will see a Ron Wood credition there.

For some reason, since the re-union in 1989 Ronnie has been left out from the creative heart of the Stones, dominated by Mick and Keith's courts. Odd man out? A pawn sacrified by both sides?

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No offense to Ronnie, but his songwriting capability and musical ideas in general leaves a bit to be desired imo. Sure there are a few gems throughout the decades ( with the Faces, the Stones, and solo),
but those gems are very few and far between. His main focus since quitting drugs and alcohol a decade or so ago has been painting and his art career, though even his painting skills leave a bit to be desired.
I guess you could say he's a jack of all trades, and a master of none as the old saying goes. His role with the Stones has always been an adequate sideman whether studio or live (even though he's offically a "Stone").
The bottom line - glad he's happy and relatively healthy considering all he's been through with drugs, alcohol, and various serious health issues, and when all is said and done thats really what matters most.

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Hairball
No offense to Ronnie, but his songwriting capability and musical ideas in general leaves a bit to be desired imo. Sure there are a few gems throughout the decades ( with the Faces, the Stones, and solo),
but those gems are very few and far between. His main focus since quitting drugs and alcohol a decade or so ago has been painting and his art career, though even his painting skills leave a bit to be desired.
I guess you could say he's a jack of all trades, and a master of none as the old saying goes. His role with the Stones has always been an adequate sideman whether studio or live (even though he's offically a "Stone").
The bottom line - glad he's happy and relatively healthy considering all he's been through with drugs, alcohol, and various serious health issues, and when all is said and done thats really what matters most.

ok

so let's assume you've hears most of ronnie's solo material

even if it's not your cup of tea so to speak

could you at least agree that many of his solo songs if developed by mick and keith could have turned into good stones tracks?

that is if they let him contribute in a meaningful way towards writing songs

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No offense to Ronnie, but his songwriting capability and musical ideas in general leaves a bit to be desired imo. Sure there are a few gems throughout the decades ( with the Faces, the Stones, and solo),
but those gems are very few and far between. His main focus since quitting drugs and alcohol a decade or so ago has been painting and his art career, though even his painting skills leave a bit to be desired.
I guess you could say he's a jack of all trades, and a master of none as the old saying goes. His role with the Stones has always been an adequate sideman whether studio or live (even though he's offically a "Stone").
The bottom line - glad he's happy and relatively healthy considering all he's been through with drugs, alcohol, and various serious health issues, and when all is said and done thats really what matters most.

ok

so let's assume you've hears most of ronnie's solo material

even if it's not your cup of tea so to speak

could you at least agree that many of his solo songs if developed by mick and keith could have turned into good stones tracks?

that is if they let him contribute in a meaningful way towards writing songs

I agree that Mick and Keith could certainly help Ronnie's ideas develop further.
Whether or not they would turn in to "good stones tracks" is a bit uncertain with too many variables involved.
Would Mick sing lead? Would Keith sing lead? Would Ronnie himself sing lead? Would there be one of Keith "dynamite riffs" incorporated?
Would Mick turn it in to something edgy and contemporary? Maybe there would be a drum machine? Or maybe they could use some of Charlies recorded drumming?
Maybe a stripped down acoustic tune? Or maybe a full blown electric venture? Maybe it would have a reggae beat? Or maybe a blues romp? And who would produce it?
There's just way to much speculation to arrive at absolute answer or accurate conclusion. I'd have to hear it first to give an honest answer, but until then hard to say.

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Pure speculation — ‘tis the season for that! — but we all make WAY too much of the “hit the wall” supposition. There’s no reason to think writer’s block, or a lack of ideas, has been a problem. Reading between the lines, we can all get a sense of the dynamic: Mick favoring an efficient, streamlined process of recording well-developed demos; Keith wanting to sit down “eyeball to eyeball” with Mick and create from scratch.

Nowhere in those two models is it necessary to turn to Ronnie out of desperation.

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Pure speculation — ‘tis the season for that! — but we all make WAY too much of the “hit the wall” supposition. There’s no reason to think writer’s block, or a lack of ideas, has been a problem. Reading between the lines, we can all get a sense of the dynamic: Mick favoring an efficient, streamlined process of recording well-developed demos; Keith wanting to sit down “eyeball to eyeball” with Mick and create from scratch.

Nowhere in those two models is it necessary to turn to Ronnie out of desperation.

ah now that's something i hadn't considered (but should have)

well in that case i could see ronnie being left out this time as well

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No offense to Ronnie, but his songwriting capability and musical ideas in general leaves a bit to be desired imo. Sure there are a few gems throughout the decades ( with the Faces, the Stones, and solo),
but those gems are very few and far between. His main focus since quitting drugs and alcohol a decade or so ago has been painting and his art career, though even his painting skills leave a bit to be desired.
I guess you could say he's a jack of all trades, and a master of none as the old saying goes. His role with the Stones has always been an adequate sideman whether studio or live (even though he's offically a "Stone").
The bottom line - glad he's happy and relatively healthy considering all he's been through with drugs, alcohol, and various serious health issues, and when all is said and done thats really what matters most.

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MelBelli
Pure speculation — ‘tis the season for that! — but we all make WAY too much of the “hit the wall” supposition. There’s no reason to think writer’s block, or a lack of ideas, has been a problem. Reading between the lines, we can all get a sense of the dynamic: Mick favoring an efficient, streamlined process of recording well-developed demos; Keith wanting to sit down “eyeball to eyeball” with Mick and create from scratch.

Nowhere in those two models is it necessary to turn to Ronnie out of desperation.

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Hairball
No offense to Ronnie, but his songwriting capability and musical ideas in general leaves a bit to be desired imo. Sure there are a few gems throughout the decades ( with the Faces, the Stones, and solo),
but those gems are very few and far between. His main focus since quitting drugs and alcohol a decade or so ago has been painting and his art career, though even his painting skills leave a bit to be desired.
I guess you could say he's a jack of all trades, and a master of none as the old saying goes. His role with the Stones has always been an adequate sideman whether studio or live (even though he's offically a "Stone").
The bottom line - glad he's happy and relatively healthy considering all he's been through with drugs, alcohol, and various serious health issues, and when all is said and done thats really what matters most.

he's some joker that got lucky.
He was at the right place at the right time. He joined the Stones too late to take part in and be a part of their major achievements but he joined the band soon enough to become a real member instead of just a sideman. Joining the band opened up a career for him that was/is way beyond his musical capabilities. That's why I call him a lucky man.

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No offense to Ronnie, but his songwriting capability and musical ideas in general leaves a bit to be desired imo. Sure there are a few gems throughout the decades ( with the Faces, the Stones, and solo),
but those gems are very few and far between. His main focus since quitting drugs and alcohol a decade or so ago has been painting and his art career, though even his painting skills leave a bit to be desired.
I guess you could say he's a jack of all trades, and a master of none as the old saying goes. His role with the Stones has always been an adequate sideman whether studio or live (even though he's offically a "Stone").
The bottom line - glad he's happy and relatively healthy considering all he's been through with drugs, alcohol, and various serious health issues, and when all is said and done thats really what matters most.

he's some joker that got lucky.
He was at the right place at the right time. He joined the Stones too late to take part in and be a part of their major achievements but he joined the band soon enough to become a real member instead of just a sideman. Joining the band opened up a career for him that was/is way beyond his musical capabilities. That's why I call him a lucky man.

Might have been interesting if Ronnie had joined up with Ringo who has also been called lucky throughout the years.


The Ronnie and Ringo Show...has a nice ring to it....

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of course you would....
You havent stopped talking about it ...

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No offense to Ronnie, but his songwriting capability and musical ideas in general leaves a bit to be desired imo. Sure there are a few gems throughout the decades ( with the Faces, the Stones, and solo),
but those gems are very few and far between. His main focus since quitting drugs and alcohol a decade or so ago has been painting and his art career, though even his painting skills leave a bit to be desired.
I guess you could say he's a jack of all trades, and a master of none as the old saying goes. His role with the Stones has always been an adequate sideman whether studio or live (even though he's offically a "Stone").
The bottom line - glad he's happy and relatively healthy considering all he's been through with drugs, alcohol, and various serious health issues, and when all is said and done thats really what matters most.

he's some joker that got lucky.
He was at the right place at the right time. He joined the Stones too late to take part in and be a part of their major achievements but he joined the band soon enough to become a real member instead of just a sideman. Joining the band opened up a career for him that was/is way beyond his musical capabilities. That's why I call him a lucky man.

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No offense to Ronnie, but his songwriting capability and musical ideas in general leaves a bit to be desired imo. Sure there are a few gems throughout the decades ( with the Faces, the Stones, and solo),
but those gems are very few and far between. His main focus since quitting drugs and alcohol a decade or so ago has been painting and his art career, though even his painting skills leave a bit to be desired.
I guess you could say he's a jack of all trades, and a master of none as the old saying goes. His role with the Stones has always been an adequate sideman whether studio or live (even though he's offically a "Stone").
The bottom line - glad he's happy and relatively healthy considering all he's been through with drugs, alcohol, and various serious health issues, and when all is said and done thats really what matters most.

he's some joker that got lucky.
He was at the right place at the right time. He joined the Stones too late to take part in and be a part of their major achievements but he joined the band soon enough to become a real member instead of just a sideman. Joining the band opened up a career for him that was/is way beyond his musical capabilities. That's why I call him a lucky man.

Might have been interesting if Ronnie had joined up with Ringo who has also been called lucky throughout the years.


The Ronnie and Ringo Show...has a nice ring to it....

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No offense to Ronnie, but his songwriting capability and musical ideas in general leaves a bit to be desired imo. Sure there are a few gems throughout the decades ( with the Faces, the Stones, and solo),
but those gems are very few and far between. His main focus since quitting drugs and alcohol a decade or so ago has been painting and his art career, though even his painting skills leave a bit to be desired.
I guess you could say he's a jack of all trades, and a master of none as the old saying goes. His role with the Stones has always been an adequate sideman whether studio or live (even though he's offically a "Stone").
The bottom line - glad he's happy and relatively healthy considering all he's been through with drugs, alcohol, and various serious health issues, and when all is said and done thats really what matters most.

he's some joker that got lucky.
He was at the right place at the right time. He joined the Stones too late to take part in and be a part of their major achievements but he joined the band soon enough to become a real member instead of just a sideman. Joining the band opened up a career for him that was/is way beyond his musical capabilities. That's why I call him a lucky man.

Might have been interesting if Ronnie had joined up with Ringo who has also been called lucky throughout the years.


The Ronnie and Ringo Show...has a nice ring to it....

They could fill out the group with Garfunkel and Oates.