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Stonesfan2146
Which songs off of a bigger bang are considered Keith ideas?
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Stonesfan2146
Which songs off of a bigger bang are considered Keith ideas?
Rough Justice, This Place Is Empty and Infamy. However, it's pretty evident that the riffs on She Saw Me Coming and Dangerous Beauty also are Keith's ideas.
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maumau
wait and hear what they're coming out with
there's no way to compare what happened in 1981, a band of men in their late thirties as they were poking around tracks 7 or 8 years old, to what might happen when men in their late seventies try to build one (possibly) last album of originals having a huge archive of demos, sketches of songs and unfinished tracks frome the last 30 years.
I agree though that less has changed in their life as musicians in the last 30 years that in those 7 or 8 years back then. And that makes me feel not so optimistic about the output. my expectations are low but I am eager to be surprised and rejoice of one last good album
ps: I see that CH is not considered "stonesy" soundwise by many (most?) here. my 2 cent is that I love it and it sounds like I would imagine (hope) a stones record would sound like if someone had asked me 30 years ago. wishful thinking for what is coming up
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Paul McCartney reportedly is on the new album.
Source: AntoineParis and "Les Rolling Stones en France" FB page.
Maybe take this one avec un grain de sel...!
That photo with Steve Jordan was posted here in November. Today's FB post could be more speculative than conclusive.
Paul McCartney on the next Stones album. Interesting...(via Google Translate)
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Rocky Dijon
The stereotype of Mick "Peter Pan" pop artist and Keith the blues purist and elder statesman rocker stem from Keith interviews since the mid-1980s. That is a simplification of both of their identities. Since Keith started crafting his own media identity to counter the brain-damaged junkie caricature of the 1970s and early 1980s that still haunts him, he has been very successful convincing people there is no artifice and when he speaks, he is "of the people" and gives "the real truth." Keith built a public identity as Mick's counterpoint. It was effective and useful and, to an extent, he was carrying on Andrew's "no such thing as bad publicity" angle. Obviously, at certain times this has been harmful to Mick and eventually to the band.
As for who they are musically, look at Keith's interview with Musician in 1983 promoting UNDERCOVER where he praises the same musical adventurousness he criticized in subsequent years. He still praises BRIDGES TO BABYLON for taking chances despite very publicly criticizing The Dust Brothers and Babyface's involvement in the album (and therefore Mick for involving them). Yet, consider Keith giving one of the potential CROSSEYED HEART songs to K'naan and working with them. Consider Keith noting he is a fan of Damian Marley when SuperHeavy came out despite noting he hadn't listened to it.
Then look at "Peter Pan" Mick recording a blues album with The Red Devils and playing a blues set the same year with Gary Moore. Look at "Peter Pan" Mick playing a blues set at The White House in 2012. Look at "Peter Pan" Mick working with The Chieftains, B.B. King, Jimmy Rogers, etc. Neither of them are as rigid as the stereotypes that Keith helped popularize for fans and the media.
Are they competitive and, at times, resentful of having to be saddled with one another? Of course. They're major talents with major egos. No one ever wants to share control, credit, or blame at their level. At least they're still working together to the extent they do. Along with age, it's definitely another factor in why the album progress limped along. Sometimes the power of saying no whether to recording or touring is the greatest power someone wields. The biggest factor is the Universal contracts have not been the superstar deals for new albums that CBS and Virgin were. Without big money in front of them, there's only so much incentive to put up with one another.
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MelBelli
To this you could add the fact that Keith LIKED the Babyface collaboration on “Already Over Me” while Mick insisted on shelving it.
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maumau
wait and hear what they're coming out with
there's no way to compare what happened in 1981, a band of men in their late thirties as they were poking around tracks 7 or 8 years old, to what might happen when men in their late seventies try to build one (possibly) last album of originals having a huge archive of demos, sketches of songs and unfinished tracks frome the last 30 years.
I agree though that less has changed in their life as musicians in the last 30 years that in those 7 or 8 years back then. And that makes me feel not so optimistic about the output. my expectations are low but I am eager to be surprised and rejoice of one last good album
ps: I see that CH is not considered "stonesy" soundwise by many (most?) here. my 2 cent is that I love it and it sounds like I would imagine (hope) a stones record would sound like if someone had asked me 30 years ago. wishful thinking for what is coming up
Great post maumau.
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Stonesfan2146
Oh okay I thought back of my hand would have fitted Keith too, being kind of bluesy. But those 5 all make sense!
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MelBelli
To this you could add the fact that Keith LIKED the Babyface collaboration on “Already Over Me” while Mick insisted on shelving it.
He did? All I recall is the story of Keith allegedly telling Babyface "If you cut with this band, they're going to call you F*ckface instead of Babyface." I thought Mick was apologetic to "Kenny" (as he called him) for the collaboration not working out.
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MelBelli
Steel Wheels is mostly Mick (with Keith driving Mixed Emotions, Can’t Be Seen, AHYS, Slipping Away, and probably Break the Spell).
Bigger Bang is 90% Mick!
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MelBelli
Steel Wheels is mostly Mick (with Keith driving Mixed Emotions, Can’t Be Seen, AHYS, Slipping Away, and probably Break the Spell).
Bigger Bang is 90% Mick!
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I think sometimes they just go with the songs that come together the easiest...[not necessarily always the best songs] and then at some point they say.. ".. right, fed up now, we've got enough."
The unused songs then maybe come together better later...with the benefit of time and a different perspective.
Yeah. I think "Waiting On A Friend" and "Tops" from TATTOO YOU are songs like that. As far I know (and have heard) the early GOATS HEAD SOUP versions are pretty sketchy (basically just the backing tracks). Looks like they pretty quickly decided that they will not work these further now, but leave it to some other occasion to develop further/finish up if needed or feels right. If memory do not make tricks, they picked up "Waiting On A Friend" already during EMOTIONAL RESCUE sessions (the people knowing more could enlight the session history of the songs).
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MelBelli
Steel Wheels is mostly Mick (with Keith driving Mixed Emotions, Can’t Be Seen, AHYS, Slipping Away, and probably Break the Spell).
Bigger Bang is 90% Mick!
Sounds about right, consistent with Mick's comments at the time and with Jimmy Rip's comments last year, it's easier to understand why, i.e. because Mick had an album (with Charlie on drums) pretty much ready to go when Cohl made an offer they couldn't refuse...
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Spud
I think sometimes they just go with the songs that come together the easiest...[not necessarily always the best songs] and then at some point they say.. ".. right, fed up now, we've got enough."
The unused songs then maybe come together better later...with the benefit of time and a different perspective.
If that were true, we could have had an album of just B-Side type stuff, which Mick always says he just cranked out in mere minutes each, as if he didn't give them any thought. I think since SW some of their B-Sides have been absolutely stellar, and at this point there is a solid half-album that they could have put out in this regard. All of the bluesy numbers for SW are superb. I've stated elsewhere - perhaps earlier in this thread - that I think sometimes they're best when they don't put too much pressure on themselves and just go with the feel of the song at the moment. In this way, yeah, they could have had a few pretty decent albums by now over the years.
Just consider: Cook Cook Blues, Fancyman Blues, Wish I'd Never Met You, Jump On Top of Me, So Young, Anyway You Look At It, Don't Wanna Go Home, (and given that most on here prefer it) Under The Radar.
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MelBelli
To this you could add the fact that Keith LIKED the Babyface collaboration on “Already Over Me” while Mick insisted on shelving it.
He did? All I recall is the story of Keith allegedly telling Babyface "If you cut with this band, they're going to call you F*ckface instead of Babyface." I thought Mick was apologetic to "Kenny" (as he called him) for the collaboration not working out.
It’s true! Keith did not mind the outcome of the collaboration. I *think* the story of Keith saying that to Babyface was more in the context of “After working with Mick, your face is gonna end up looking like mine”
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GasLightStreet
Obviously that attitude vanished since they've been a touring hits review ever since.
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Testify
Maybe my age, but I'm a bit tired of the usual Mick and Keith story, to me the Stones are a band and what they release they release as a band, I don't really care who wrote what, on the other hand nobody didn't care who wrote what in the 60s or 70s so I don't understand this obsession today.
Actually maybe I understand it... and it's due to the factions of the fans between who is more Jagger and who is more Richards, but I still feel more Rolling Stones.
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Doxa
Funny to read those timeisonourside.com comments in regard to 'lost album'/FORTY LICKS sessions shared by GasLightStreet. Mick's comment is so laconic. "The fact we got four is great" - no any reference to 24 or 30 songs Ronnie and Keith are cheering up about. Sounds like Mick wasn't that into at all to the fruits of those sessions.
Anyway, I recall from times also some other comments by them describing the results as pretty rough sketches or something. Some of them was even describing that most were just ideas thrown in, not real songs yet. Ronnie or Mick? The story seemed to have changed at some point.
- Doxa