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DandelionPowderman
Wouldn't be surprised if that is exactly what they did.
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matxil
I think in the movie business, this is called "development hell". In the scientific world, it is comparable to an article that has been rejected too many times and then gets re-edited and re-edited again... At a certain point, it's almost better to throw everything away and start from scratch.
One might ask "what is an album"? In the past, it meant a consistent package of songs that somehow complemented each other to create an overall feeling. Examples are Aftermath, any of the Big Four and later Some Girls, and - oddly enough - even Tattoo You. Of the lesser albums, Steel Wheels fulfills this too. (Dirty Work too, but it's just bad, so lets pretend it never happened.) Of the latter albums, one of the flaws was that they were not consistent units but just a hodge-podge of Mick songs, Keith songs and Stones songs. Even nowadays, in times of Spotify, occasionally albums come out that have this sense of unity (Beyonce comes to mind). The fact that this "new Stones album" has been worked on for so long, is in this sense a very bad sign.
Also, the Stones always were at their best when the outside world gave them a push in the right direction. First it was the blues. Then the Beatles. Later, all the late 60's rock acts like Hendrix etc... Late 70's it was punk and disco. But right now, I don't see anything around that could possibly inspire them. And certainly not Mick and Keith in the same way.
So, no, I still don't expect much from this new album and I'd still rather they wouldn't bother.
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guyrachel
Such a sad message. Sure it’s your opinion, but it is depressing. I can see why you might be a Stones fan, there’s a lot to love, but it surprises me you’re on this board, and you’re not remotely interested in hearing new music seems strange…feels like you want attention more than anything…?
What I want more than anything is Keith making more solo albums. They might not be as great as the best of the Stones' work, but they are certainly more interesting than anything the Stones have been doing since a long time.
And I bet most people on this board hardly ever listen to DW, SW, VL, B2B or ABB.
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guyrachel
Such a sad message. Sure it’s your opinion, but it is depressing. I can see why you might be a Stones fan, there’s a lot to love, but it surprises me you’re on this board, and you’re not remotely interested in hearing new music seems strange…feels like you want attention more than anything…?
What I want more than anything is Keith making more solo albums. They might not be as great as the best of the Stones' work, but they are certainly more interesting than anything the Stones have been doing since a long time.
And I bet most people on this board hardly ever listen to DW, SW, VL, B2B or ABB.
Those 3 highlighted albums are among the albums I listen to the most by the boys, but the recognize that I’m an anomaly.
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matxil
I think in the movie business, this is called "development hell". In the scientific world, it is comparable to an article that has been rejected too many times and then gets re-edited and re-edited again...
Bridges to Babylon is a masterpiece, especially if you include the outtakes 20 Nil, Dream About,Sanctuary, Desperate Man, and Prairie Love. We need a super deluxe of that one!!!!Quote
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guyrachel
Such a sad message. Sure it’s your opinion, but it is depressing. I can see why you might be a Stones fan, there’s a lot to love, but it surprises me you’re on this board, and you’re not remotely interested in hearing new music seems strange…feels like you want attention more than anything…?
What I want more than anything is Keith making more solo albums. They might not be as great as the best of the Stones' work, but they are certainly more interesting than anything the Stones have been doing since a long time.
And I bet most people on this board hardly ever listen to DW, SW, VL, B2B or ABB.
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donvisBridges to Babylon is a masterpiece, especially if you include the outtakes 20 Nil, Dream About, and Prairie Love. We need a super deluxe of that one!!!!Quote
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guyrachel
Such a sad message. Sure it’s your opinion, but it is depressing. I can see why you might be a Stones fan, there’s a lot to love, but it surprises me you’re on this board, and you’re not remotely interested in hearing new music seems strange…feels like you want attention more than anything…?
What I want more than anything is Keith making more solo albums. They might not be as great as the best of the Stones' work, but they are certainly more interesting than anything the Stones have been doing since a long time.
And I bet most people on this board hardly ever listen to DW, SW, VL, B2B or ABB.
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Rockman
...stick with the merry-go-round ....
Best ya dont take the ghost train ....HHHHaaa
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VoodooLounge13
B2B I don't think gets the love on here that it deserves. Even containing the ONLY song in their entire catalog that I legitimately skip - MAWGJ - to me it is still a very strong, cohesive album. Their last great one, and as I've said previously, a latter day masterpiece. If we got that part 2, I'd be thrilled to death!!!
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I love on Flip The Switch how you can clearly tell it's Keith's lyrics that Mick is singing. Amazing song.
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Rocky Dijon
Looking back on the past three decades, I wish they had made more Stones albums and solo albums and done less touring. Purely selfish, but I'll always wish there had been more songs to enjoy or critique.
The thing about bitching about setlists or sidemen or arrangements is we can choose not to go a concert.
The thing about wishing they wouldn't make a new album at all is we can choose not to buy it or stream it.
Both are a matter of opting out and not minding that others, least of all the artists, might think otherwise.
Wanting more, I understand out of pure selfish greed. Wishing someone wouldn't bother at all is a bit more possessive where you want them to think like you do. Maxtil really just wanted Keith to leave and go solo. That's not the same as wanting to control them, he just gravitated toward one aging Glimmer Twin more than the other and was disenchanted with compromise masquerading as collaboration when they worked together. I can respect that even though Mick with or without The Stones is still capable of surprising me as much as I may feel alienated by some of the material.
Such is the dilemma of a number of aging fans of geriatric rockers.
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OOOwwwww yeah 20 Nil slays me ....
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Rocky Dijon
Looking back on the past three decades, I wish they had made more Stones albums and solo albums and done less touring. Purely selfish, but I'll always wish there had been more songs to enjoy or critique.
The thing about bitching about setlists or sidemen or arrangements is we can choose not to go a concert.
The thing about wishing they wouldn't make a new album at all is we can choose not to buy it or stream it.
Both are a matter of opting out and not minding that others, least of all the artists, might think otherwise.
Wanting more, I understand out of pure selfish greed. Wishing someone wouldn't bother at all is a bit more possessive where you want them to think like you do. Maxtil really just wanted Keith to leave and go solo. That's not the same as wanting to control them, he just gravitated toward one aging Glimmer Twin more than the other and was disenchanted with compromise masquerading as collaboration when they worked together. I can respect that even though Mick with or without The Stones is still capable of surprising me as much as I may feel alienated by some of the material.
Such is the dilemma of a number of aging fans of geriatric rockers.
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24FPS
Wow. I come on here and BTB is being praised. It is an oddity. The production experiments are dated. It's not a very 'Stonesy' record. I never listen to it. To me Steel Wheels is the last real Stones album. Not an A album, but a good B Plus. No great single, but over all a great effort with the real band.
I've always found a cut or two on every Stones album Post Wyman. Plus the odd singles like Ghost Town and Doom and Gloom. None of them come up to the level of the Golden Age Stones (1963-1990). It would be interesting to only know the band by their Post Wyman output. My ears just aren't trained that way.
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24FPS
Wow. I come on here and BTB is being praised. It is an oddity. The production experiments are dated. It's not a very 'Stonesy' record. I never listen to it. To me Steel Wheels is the last real Stones album. Not an A album, but a good B Plus. No great single, but over all a great effort with the real band.
I've always found a cut or two on every Stones album Post Wyman. Plus the odd singles like Ghost Town and Doom and Gloom. None of them come up to the level of the Golden Age Stones (1963-1990). It would be interesting to only know the band by their Post Wyman output. My ears just aren't trained that way.
I’ve actually got high praise for that one as well, with its phenomenal Gered-shot cover and Ruby Tuesday, my all-time favorite Stones song and LSTNT, it’s a real classic album. Though I admit I prefer the UK version for My Obesession, Connection, Back Street Girl, and Yesterday’s Papers.
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24FPS
Wow. I come on here and BTB is being praised. It is an oddity. The production experiments are dated. It's not a very 'Stonesy' record. I never listen to it. To me Steel Wheels is the last real Stones album. Not an A album, but a good B Plus. No great single, but over all a great effort with the real band.
I've always found a cut or two on every Stones album Post Wyman. Plus the odd singles like Ghost Town and Doom and Gloom. None of them come up to the level of the Golden Age Stones (1963-1990). It would be interesting to only know the band by their Post Wyman output. My ears just aren't trained that way.
I’ve actually got high praise for that one as well, with its phenomenal Gered-shot cover and Ruby Tuesday, my all-time favorite Stones song and LSTNT, it’s a real classic album. Though I admit I prefer the UK version for My Obesession, Connection, Back Street Girl, and Yesterday’s Papers.
I meant Bridges To Babylon. (Unless you're pulling my leg).
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24FPS
Wow. I come on here and BTB is being praised. It is an oddity. The production experiments are dated. It's not a very 'Stonesy' record.