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Would you rather have them bring out another ABB or would you want them to get it right this final time? It's gonna be the last one, they know it, and they wanna do it right.
On the way they released a whole album of blues covers and a number one single (at least here in Germany) that they played at every concert during the last year.
I don’t freaking care what it is as long as it’s original material. CREATE something. Time is (NOT) on Your Side. OR MINE. FFS. IT IS embarrassing that the creators of Satisfaction, JJF, Gimme Shelter, Love is Strong, Under the Radar, Midnight Rambler, Play With Fire, Start me Up, Waiting on a Friend, Out of Time, Street Fighting Man, Almost Hear you Sigh, She’s a Rainbow, Continental Drift, Wild Horses, Brown Sugar, Shine a Light, Miss You, Honky Tonk Women, It Won’t Take Long, Rocks Off, Beast of Burden, Laugh I Nearly Died, Living in a Ghost Town and countless others, COUNTLESS others, have not been able to come up with 12, just 12 would do, tracks, in SEVENTEEN years. EMBARRASSING.
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StonedRambler
And this thread is getting merged in 3... 2... 1...
Would you rather have them bring out another ABB or would you want them to get it right this final time? It's gonna be the last one, they know it, and they wanna do it right.
On the way they released a whole album of blues covers and a number one single (at least here in Germany) that they played at every concert during the last year.
I don’t freaking care what it is as long as it’s original material. CREATE something. Time is (NOT) on Your Side. OR MINE. FFS. IT IS embarrassing that the creators of Satisfaction, JJF, Gimme Shelter, Love is Strong, Under the Radar, Midnight Rambler, Play With Fire, Start me Up, Waiting on a Friend, Out of Time, Street Fighting Man, Almost Hear you Sigh, She’s a Rainbow, Continental Drift, Wild Horses, Brown Sugar, Shine a Light, Miss You, Honky Tonk Women, It Won’t Take Long, Rocks Off, Beast of Burden, Laugh I Nearly Died, Living in a Ghost Town and countless others, COUNTLESS others, have not been able to come up with 12, just 12 would do, tracks, in SEVENTEEN years. EMBARRASSING.
They had a session for over a week with Steve Jordan on Jamaika I think. It was just before the European tour. In some interviews they said it was very creative.Quote
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I agree with the last post. I don’t think they lack creativity, Keith did CrossEyedHeart came out 7 years ago, and I really enjoy it creatively… they need Steve Jordan to help them, they need inspiration, I think if they were inspired they’d be up for it, but I think it’s much harder now at the age they combining their very different approaches, I suspect that Keith’s methodology is hard to make compatible with Micks, perhaps let alone anyone else…which is why ‘we’ hoped that it might be Steve Jordan might be the glue to help make it all possible…
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StonedRamblerThey had a session for over a week with Steve Jordan on Jamaika I think. It was just before the European tour. In some interviews they said it was very creative.Quote
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I agree with the last post. I don’t think they lack creativity, Keith did CrossEyedHeart came out 7 years ago, and I really enjoy it creatively… they need Steve Jordan to help them, they need inspiration, I think if they were inspired they’d be up for it, but I think it’s much harder now at the age they combining their very different approaches, I suspect that Keith’s methodology is hard to make compatible with Micks, perhaps let alone anyone else…which is why ‘we’ hoped that it might be Steve Jordan might be the glue to help make it all possible…
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They're waiting for it to become "great" before they release it...lol......we could be here for many more years wondering and waiting for that to happen - as Mick said last year "don't hold your breath".
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A few random nuggets of decent quality tunes interspersed throughout each of those uneven latter era albums, and all of those albums are definitely far from being considered goldmines of greatness.
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A few random nuggets of decent quality tunes interspersed throughout each of those uneven latter era albums, and all of those albums are definitely far from being considered goldmines of greatness.
Exactly that. So what if they keep recording until they have enough "random nuggets of decent quality tunes" to fill a whole album with that?
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The last great album they made was "Tattoo You." The last decent one was "Steel Wheels." "Bridges To Babylon" and "A Bigger Bang" were unlistenable. I don't think the future holds anything to really anticipate. Especially without Charlie.
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The last great album they made was "Tattoo You." The last decent one was "Steel Wheels." "Bridges To Babylon" and "A Bigger Bang" were unlistenable. I don't think the future holds anything to really anticipate. Especially without Charlie.
That's the spirit!
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do you think they've personally set themselves a deadline at which point what they have is as good as it'll get or will this just go on until mick's satisfied that he's got a new exile?
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I believe their creativity has faded away. As people get older creativity dies for the vast majority. Spending years basically playing the same songs over and over on stage must also have a negative effect. During previous decades both Jagger and Richards have also spent a lot of time collaborating with other artistes.....not a bad thing in itself....but it must effect the J/R creative process. I do not believe they can write songs as good as those they wrote when younger.
Also, they are astute businessmen who are already wealthy enough for the rest of their lives. They have seen how long catalogues can continue to be sold and vast sums earned long after death. They all have families and loved ones who will out live the band. I believe they are building a vault of new songs, some of which may be used soon, but will largely be used as an income source for their descendants into the future.
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DandelionPowderman
IMO,Ghost Town proved that the creativity is still there. A very good song, and the bridge (that chord) was a new thing for the Stones.
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ProfessorWolf
do you think they've personally set themselves a deadline at which point what they have is as good as it'll get or will this just go on until mick's satisfied that he's got a new exile?
I personally think they don't have set any deadline and I think it's very well possible that the last one alive (probably Mick) will chose the songs and finish them. Or that they can't tour anymore for whatever reason (health, fitness..) and then finish the album. I'd say 5-10 years from now is realistic, maybe with some singles along the way.
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do you think they've personally set themselves a deadline at which point what they have is as good as it'll get or will this just go on until mick's satisfied that he's got a new exile?
I personally think they don't have set any deadline and I think it's very well possible that the last one alive (probably Mick) will chose the songs and finish them. Or that they can't tour anymore for whatever reason (health, fitness..) and then finish the album. I'd say 5-10 years from now is realistic, maybe with some singles along the way.
I love your optimism. If it is in five years time, Ronnie will be over 80. Mick and Keith knocking on 84. I won't even think about their respective ages in ten years time.
Do we seriously think that a new album will emerge sometime between 2027 and 2032? No doubt many people will want to take me to task for being negative, over-cautious, and doubting The Stones ability to keep defying the ravages of time! Fair enough. I respect every and all opinions even if I don't agree with them. I simply cannot see them giving up the myriad other projects they are involved with IN THEIR MID-80s so they can find the energy, enthusiasm and creative inspiration to finally make the album of brand new original material that has eluded them for the past sixteen years.
And I won't even consider the possibility that at least one of them may not be around any longer...
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ProfessorWolf
do you think they've personally set themselves a deadline at which point what they have is as good as it'll get or will this just go on until mick's satisfied that he's got a new exile?
I personally think they don't have set any deadline and I think it's very well possible that the last one alive (probably Mick) will chose the songs and finish them. Or that they can't tour anymore for whatever reason (health, fitness..) and then finish the album. I'd say 5-10 years from now is realistic, maybe with some singles along the way.
I love your optimism. If it is in five years time, Ronnie will be over 80. Mick and Keith knocking on 84. I won't even think about their respective ages in ten years time.
Do we seriously think that a new album will emerge sometime between 2027 and 2032? No doubt many people will want to take me to task for being negative, over-cautious, and doubting The Stones ability to keep defying the ravages of time! Fair enough. I respect every and all opinions even if I don't agree with them. I simply cannot see them giving up the myriad other projects they are involved with IN THEIR MID-80s so they can find the energy, enthusiasm and creative inspiration to finally make the album of brand new original material that has eluded them for the past sixteen years.
And I won't even consider the possibility that at least one of them may not be around any longer...
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GerardHennessy
In fact my reasoning is totally based on what has been happening, or more correctly NOT happening, since 2006. For what it's worth I believe the main blockage regarding the album comes down to the musical differences between Mick and Keith.
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GerardHennessy
In fact my reasoning is totally based on what has been happening, or more correctly NOT happening, since 2006. For what it's worth I believe the main blockage regarding the album comes down to the musical differences between Mick and Keith.
But they HAVE been in the studio almost every year since 2012 even though they toured every year (apart from the covid time). Even a "bonus" album of blues covers was created more or less accidentally during those sessions. So that nothing has been happening is simply not true. Also Ghost Town emerged from these sessions, they didn't came up with that during the pandemic, if was from one of their recording sessions for the album they had in 2019. It was only picked up in 2020 and Mick changed some of the lyrics because the situation in the world was the perfect opportunity to release the song.
What is true is that just like with touring recording is only something they do once a year for a limited time. They are working at another pace now but nobody can expect they will spend a whole year in a studio as when they were young.
We'll get that album eventually. Patience is a virtue.
Meanwhile there are 30 Stones albums existing we can listen to anytime as well as super talented young artists who will be the future of music.
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In fact my reasoning is totally based on what has been happening, or more correctly NOT happening, since 2006. For what it's worth I believe the main blockage regarding the album comes down to the musical differences between Mick and Keith.
But they HAVE been in the studio almost every year since 2012 even though they toured every year (apart from the covid time). Even a "bonus" album of blues covers was created more or less accidentally during those sessions. So that nothing has been happening is simply not true. Also Ghost Town emerged from these sessions, they didn't came up with that during the pandemic, if was from one of their recording sessions for the album they had in 2019. It was only picked up in 2020 and Mick changed some of the lyrics because the situation in the world was the perfect opportunity to release the song.
What is true is that just like with touring recording is only something they do once a year for a limited time. They are working at another pace now but nobody can expect they will spend a whole year in a studio as when they were young.
We'll get that album eventually. Patience is a virtue.
Meanwhile there are 30 Stones albums existing we can listen to anytime as well as super talented young artists who will be the future of music.
I totally agree with your final paragraph. In fact, as I would also count their solo work, including Ronnie's, it may even be more than 30. But we won't argue about numbers here.
I actually really rate Blue & Lonesome - accident or not, it shows what they CAN do if they would only stop arguing about direction. And Ghost Town is decent too. I'd hoped it would be a hit, and it was in some territories, but not anywhere close to me.
I have no argument with you my friend. We are all on the same team here. And of course, like in so many things, there are semantic differences between us but nothing more. What will happen, or not, will happen. Or not. But the love goes on...
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Who cares anymore? Do you think you're getting another Sticky Fingers? It took the core of Watts/Richards/Jagger & Wyman to create most of the magic. That will never exist again on this earthly plane. It's a chemistry thing. That's what's been lacking for decades now. They can put out a decent single from time to time, but even those aren't on the level of the Golden Age. Blue and Lonesome was a freak accident, and probably couldn't be done again.
I think it would be ridiculous call an album with Jordan and Jones as the rhythm section a Rolling Stones album. Let's just give up on the 'new album' idea. If what they had so far was any good Mick would have released it.
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Who cares anymore? Do you think you're getting another Sticky Fingers? It took the core of Watts/Richards/Jagger & Wyman to create most of the magic. That will never exist again on this earthly plane. It's a chemistry thing. That's what's been lacking for decades now. They can put out a decent single from time to time, but even those aren't on the level of the Golden Age. Blue and Lonesome was a freak accident, and probably couldn't be done again.
I think it would be ridiculous call an album with Jordan and Jones as the rhythm section a Rolling Stones album. Let's just give up on the 'new album' idea. If what they had so far was any good Mick would have released it.