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Keith's comment to Mojo about the new album...same old, same old !

The whole page 23 with Keith in Mojo 5-2022:

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I share the frustration of many. Mick and Keith are almost 80 years old. They tour almost every year. They should spend 3-4 months straight in the studio for 12 hours or more a day 5 or 6 days a week like they used to. There's no excuse for very old men who could have retired 15 years ago to not be more productive. They're just plain lazy. I'm going to post variations on this until I get what I want and then when I do get it, I won't like it.

They follow the law of least possible resistance. Apparently touring means less arguments and more money. So they choose that. After all it's a wonder they are still at it in their 80s.

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I share the frustration of many. Mick and Keith are almost 80 years old. They tour almost every year. They should spend 3-4 months straight in the studio for 12 hours or more a day 5 or 6 days a week like they used to. There's no excuse for very old men who could have retired 15 years ago to not be more productive. They're just plain lazy. I'm going to post variations on this until I get what I want and then when I do get it, I won't like it.

To be honest I wish they would just shut up about a new album. It is the constant hints, innuendos, teasers, tantalising tit-bits that keep idiots like me dangling. Hoping against hope!

If they came right out and said 'it ain't gonna happen folks' we could all go off in peace. Of course they deserve to take it easy. Of course they should not have to work long days and late nights to record something. What they stand indicted on - at least by me - is the way they never let it drop. I know they will be asked about it by journalists but why not simply tell them the truth. They could easily say they plan on a new single, or another anniversary reissue, or releasing something from the vaults. Maybe even a combination of all three! Especially if the creative process for an entire album is difficult to initiate now...

Saying as much would not look like any kind of cop-out. Or laziness. Or anything deserving of criticism. In fact it would look very praiseworthy indeed.

The mention of a new album in the press isn't to frustrate diehard fans who buy every release. It's to help generate a buzz for a reissue or a tour or simply maintain public awareness of the band.

Can you imagine them answering the inevitable question with "we tried, but couldn't agree on the material" or "we decided it wasn't up to the standard we wanted" or "we just don't really feel motivated to treat it as anything but a hobby." They can't do that.

Expecting transparency is ridiculous. They're speaking to the press as they've always done as a means to an end. Reality is they sporadically release new material. The days of being an active recording artist ended with A BIGGER BANG as their Universal contract indicates. Expecting something other than what is contractual to their label is unrealistic. We get the occasional album when and if they feel like it and the label agrees. The actual contract is for reissues and archival material. New studio recordings, if any, are bonus only.

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Keith's comment to Mojo about the new album...same old, same old

Same with Uncut magazine (May 2022):





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So it's in early stages

It appears that way.

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Keith's comment to Mojo about the new album...same old, same old

Same with Uncut magazine (May 2022):

They make is sound so hard. What else do they have to do? How long can it take? You've either got some good songs to finish up or you don't. I'm beginning to think they don't want to. Making an album seems onerous to them. Frankly I think they're a little frightened to tarnish their reputation at this point. Maybe they can no longer pull it off as a group. They're old men trying to make young men music. Easy Sleazy is the kind of high energy song they can't do anymore. It's okay. Only us old time idiots are pining for a new disc/cd/download, whatever tech they've invented, by the time a new Stones album drops.

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Keith's comment to Mojo about the new album...same old, same old !

Hopefully we are in the second scenario. They do the writing work (in jamaica), then do the tour and make the record after. A release after the tour would be interesting and maybe with few bonus shows

The Jamaican sessions give some hope...but who knows if one day we'll know what really happened with the new material, from the famous "hit a wall" sessions to now.

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Keith's comment to Mojo about the new album...same old, same old

Same with Uncut magazine (May 2022):

They make is sound so hard. What else do they have to do? How long can it take? You've either got some good songs to finish up or you don't. I'm beginning to think they don't want to. Making an album seems onerous to them. Frankly I think they're a little frightened to tarnish their reputation at this point. Maybe they can no longer pull it off as a group. They're old men trying to make young men music. Easy Sleazy is the kind of high energy song they can't do anymore. It's okay. Only us old time idiots are pining for a new disc/cd/download, whatever tech they've invented, by the time a new Stones album drops.

You can't force magic. That's why some albums are good and some are bad. You don't just turn on song writing and turn it off... Maybe they don't have anything left.

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Keith's comment to Mojo about the new album...same old, same old

Same with Uncut magazine (May 2022):

They make is sound so hard. What else do they have to do? How long can it take? You've either got some good songs to finish up or you don't. I'm beginning to think they don't want to. Making an album seems onerous to them. Frankly I think they're a little frightened to tarnish their reputation at this point. Maybe they can no longer pull it off as a group. They're old men trying to make young men music. Easy Sleazy is the kind of high energy song they can't do anymore. It's okay. Only us old time idiots are pining for a new disc/cd/download, whatever tech they've invented, by the time a new Stones album drops.

You can't force magic. That's why some albums are good and some are bad. You don't just turn on song writing and turn it off... Maybe they don't have anything left.

Well for a good Stones song, you need both Mick and Keith stepping up, with a little Charlie in for good measure.

If they have Charlie's stuff in the can, there's always a possibility, but I haven't liked most of Keith's new material in quite some time. It takes those two to tango in this band, and that's become more difficult to manage over time.

Go back to your little cave drunk little man.



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edit: The above not directed at treacles post above mine, but to a poster who is filled with irrational hatred, and whose post has since been deleted by bv.

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Go back to your little cave drunk little man.

Get yourself a life. Really, this is not good for you. Unless you are a sadist.


- Doxa

Long live the *Stones.

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Years ago, on page 140, I suggested that the album was coming in 2023. I'm hoping that was too pessimistic, and we'll see it in 2022.

Let’s hope bv doesn’t have to change the title of the thread (again). But

At this rate, they should release a new compilation, SIXTY, with their Top 57-58 streaming songs and a couple of new songs to play something new on tour, at least they can cash in with it.

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Long live the *Stones.

Indeed. Let's wait for the next Beatles album, because The Stones can not do anything good and we people expecting do something like that are stupid idiots, if I we are to believe this critical genius, original 'Hairball'. .

- Doxa

More drunken nonsensical and insulting ramblings from the little man...

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At this rate, they should release a new compilation, SIXTY, with their Top 57-58 streaming songs and a couple of new songs to play something new on tour, at least they can cash in with it.

That would be a smart strategy, and if it were to happen hopefully the tunes will be of the same high quality as Ghost Town which was their best new tune in many years.
That song, along with Keith's Crosseyed Heart shows they still have a gift that can thrill, but unfortunately they don't seem to care much about releasing new music as a band anymore.
They've sort of milked Ghost Town for all it was worth, and now that the pandemic's "over" not sure how relevant it would be in a live setting...maybe a new tune or two based on other current world events could fill the void.

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The Jamaican sessions give some hope...but who knows if one day we'll know what really happened with the new material, from the famous "hit a wall" sessions to now.

Lol..........

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The mention of a new album in the press isn't to frustrate diehard fans who buy every release. It's to help generate a buzz for a reissue or a tour or simply maintain public awareness of the band.

Can you imagine them answering the inevitable question with "we tried, but couldn't agree on the material" or "we decided it wasn't up to the standard we wanted" or "we just don't really feel motivated to treat it as anything but a hobby." They can't do that.

Expecting transparency is ridiculous. They're speaking to the press as they've always done as a means to an end. Reality is they sporadically release new material. The days of being an active recording artist ended with A BIGGER BANG as their Universal contract indicates. Expecting something other than what is contractual to their label is unrealistic. We get the occasional album when and if they feel like it and the label agrees. The actual contract is for reissues and archival material. New studio recordings, if any, are bonus only.

Why is expecting transparency ridiculous? That is a really unnecessary put-down of a fellow Stones fan.

Just to emphasise - I am NOT expecting a new album. And made that point quite clearly. Rather I'm saying they might cease to hint at an album that, in all probability will never emerge. Why tease us with it? Why keep dangling the faint possibility in front of us? Lets face it. They don't need to produce an album to sell tickets. On the contrary the booming ticket sales for their shows prove that few of those who attend have any interest in a new album, Or indeed any album, apart, possibly, from Hot Rocks.

And, if they are asked about new material they do not need to make apocalyptic statements like 'We tried and failed' or 'It just ain't there anymore' in order to answer honestly. They could quite easily speak very constructively about releasing something from the vaults. Perhaps supplemented with a new single. There is an entire organisation working for them that specialises in communicating with the masses. And there are numerous ways in which a truthful answer could be presented constructively, and in a manner that reflects positively on the band.

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Keith's comment to Mojo about the new album...same old, same old

Same with Uncut magazine (May 2022):

This sounds very much like Doxa might be right (at least in some way) and they really started all over some two/three years ago. Like, waitaminute, wasn't there also stuff we recorded back in 2016, 2017? At any rate, sounds like Keef doesn't really have a clear idea what they recorded back then with Charlie, doesn't sound like anything came close to finishing touches then. Pre-brick wall vs. post-brick wall? (Wasn't there someone missing the brick wall? So, here it's back ... )

If they happen to find they have enough material for two albums I certainly won't complain, of course ...

I can't understand the need to be so overly critical of a 60-year old band of 80-year old men not being as productive as they once were. They were at a respectable retirement age when they released (and toured behind) A Bigger Bang, and yet they still continue to at least tour and put out a very occasional single every once in awhile. They don't owe anyone anything, and if they are more interested in touring and celebrating their legacy in what is clearly the twilight of their career, they've more than earned the right to do so.

It's no secret that Mick and Keith don't see eye-to-eye on a creative level, and haven't for a very long time. I suspect there can still be quite a bit of tension, which was more than implied by the "hitting a wall" quote from a few years back. I can certainly understand wanting to avoid that kind of stress, especially at this point in their lives, which is why I feel comparisons to other more productive artists from their era to be faulty. A new Rolling Stones album is not the same as a new album by Neil Young, McCartney, Dylan, etc. I find it unlikely that anyone recording with these artists are going to have any opposition to the songs being recorded. Meanwhile with the Stones, if Mick has a new song idea that Keith doesn't like, it's unlikely to go anywhere (and vice-versa).

Not to mention, a new Rolling Stones album is not going to be a very big deal in the grand scheme of things. They are not culturally relevant, and that applies to all artists from the classic rock era, even the highly prolific ones like Neil Young. Only die-hards and maybe general classic rock fans will take notice of a new release by a legacy artist. As far as relatively recent releases by legacy artists go, I feel Dylan's Rough And Rowdy Ways and Springsteen's Western Stars are about the only albums that can hold any candle to their classic material. But these albums only cater to a diminishing audience of already established fans; if any new or younger fans want to look into these artists, they are more likely to check out Blonde On Blonde or Born to Run on Spotify (or a greatest hits playlist) than seek out the newer material. And while the argument certainly exists that the Stones are artists, and they should create for the sake of it, regardless of how much it will sell...I think you'd have to be pretty delusional to think this isn't a contributing factor to why new music isn't their top priority. Regardless of how good (or bad) a new album could be, it won't add (or detract) from their legacy in the slightest.

All that being said, I definitely understand the frustration of being dragged along for a few years now, regarding new material. But most complaints and criticisms just seem silly and unfounded to me. Plus I have a suspicion that many of the people who are so worked up about the lack of new music, likely also think the Stones haven't put out a good album since Tattoo You. And when/if a new album finally gets released these people are inevitably going to hate it anyway...

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Why is expecting transparency ridiculous? That is a really unnecessary put-down of a fellow Stones fan.

My remark above has nothing to do with my fellow Stones fans and everything to do with the band and the media. You weren't targeted. It was about an attitude a great many people here express. That fact that I don't agree in this instance doesn't make it a put-down or make me right and someone else wrong. It means I have a different opinion. If you agree, great. If you don't, that's fine, too. It was meant as a different point of view, not a condemnation or ruling.

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The mention of a new album in the press isn't to frustrate diehard fans who buy every release. It's to help generate a buzz for a reissue or a tour or simply maintain public awareness of the band.

Can you imagine them answering the inevitable question with "we tried, but couldn't agree on the material" or "we decided it wasn't up to the standard we wanted" or "we just don't really feel motivated to treat it as anything but a hobby." They can't do that.

Expecting transparency is ridiculous. They're speaking to the press as they've always done as a means to an end. Reality is they sporadically release new material. The days of being an active recording artist ended with A BIGGER BANG as their Universal contract indicates. Expecting something other than what is contractual to their label is unrealistic. We get the occasional album when and if they feel like it and the label agrees. The actual contract is for reissues and archival material. New studio recordings, if any, are bonus only.

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"Not to mention, a new Rolling Stones album is not going to be a very big deal in the grand scheme of things. They are not culturally relevant, and that applies to all artists from the classic rock era, even the highly prolific ones like Neil Young. Only die-hards and maybe general classic rock fans will take notice of a new release by a legacy artist"

And that's the thing too, the more they wait the "better" it has to be, Mick even said that himself I think. Why do they have to make such a big deal out of it, unless it's another "excuse". Had they gone on releasing what they had every 4/5 years like Macca it would have been fine. Just repeat the B2B formula with outside help from good musicians to give more "color" to the tunes, unlike the bland playing on ABB that had decent enough songs for the most part.

As for a 58 song collection + 2 new songs, yeah well they've done that a couple of times before already with 20 and then 10 fewer songs, would they dare do it again ;-)

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The mention of a new album in the press isn't to frustrate diehard fans who buy every release. It's to help generate a buzz for a reissue or a tour or simply maintain public awareness of the band.

Can you imagine them answering the inevitable question with "we tried, but couldn't agree on the material" or "we decided it wasn't up to the standard we wanted" or "we just don't really feel motivated to treat it as anything but a hobby." They can't do that.

Expecting transparency is ridiculous. They're speaking to the press as they've always done as a means to an end. Reality is they sporadically release new material. The days of being an active recording artist ended with A BIGGER BANG as their Universal contract indicates. Expecting something other than what is contractual to their label is unrealistic. We get the occasional album when and if they feel like it and the label agrees. The actual contract is for reissues and archival material. New studio recordings, if any, are bonus only.

Why is expecting transparency ridiculous? That is a really unnecessary put-down of a fellow Stones fan.

Just to emphasise - I am NOT expecting a new album. And made that point quite clearly. Rather I'm saying they might cease to hint at an album that, in all probability will never emerge. Why tease us with it? Why keep dangling the faint possibility in front of us? Lets face it. They don't need to produce an album to sell tickets. On the contrary the booming ticket sales for their shows prove that few of those who attend have any interest in a new album, Or indeed any album, apart, possibly, from Hot Rocks.

And, if they are asked about new material they do not need to make apocalyptic statements like 'We tried and failed' or 'It just ain't there anymore' in order to answer honestly. They could quite easily speak very constructively about releasing something from the vaults. Perhaps supplemented with a new single. There is an entire organisation working for them that specialises in communicating with the masses. And there are numerous ways in which a truthful answer could be presented constructively, and in a manner that reflects positively on the band.

But why should they say anything else than what they have done? They are making an album, and no matter how zillion years it would take, they are doing it. A work in process, so to say. Like Rocky Dijon, and many else, have pointed out, the significance of new music is pretty irrelevant to the act like the Stones. They really do need to release anything in order to be The Rolling Stones. It is not 20th Century any longer. For some fans it looks like that is pretty hard to understand that (they want the band to be like they were in their youth, and like nothing has really changed). The world, and the Stones with it, has changed, my friends. And we all get old, you know.

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But why should they say anything else than what they have done? They are making an album, and no matter how zillion years it would take, they are doing it. A work in process, so to say. Like Rocky Dijon, and many else, have pointed out, the significance of new music is pretty irrelevant to the act like the Stones. They really do need to release anything in order to be The Rolling Stones. It is not 20th Century any longer. For some fans it looks like that is pretty hard to understand that (they want the band to be like they were in their youth, and like nothing has really changed). The world, and the Stones with it, has changed, my friends. And we all get old, you know.

- Doxa

You've made it abundantly clear you do not desire nor expect a new album, as you have your contempt for those of us who dare to want to hear the new music they say they've been working on for years.

We get it. You've made your point, which would make a tiny bit of sense if it were not for the Fully Finished Studio Outtakes which prove that the Stones could have put out two or three good albums during all this time.

What do you want us all to do? Stop speculating on the new album? Stop expecting it? Then you should write bv and ask that this thread be locked. Or, better yet, ask the Stones to stop commenting on it and showing pictures of guitars and amps on social media, or ask the press to stop asking about it, because as long as the Stones keep teasing a new album, Stones fans are going to keep discussing it.

Nobody asks Billy Joel or Kiss about the new albums they've been working on for years because those acts have said that they're done with studio albums - and it doesn't affect their ticket sales in the slightest. Please, enough with the hogwash about their new album comments being tour promotion. They're big boys. If they're done with new music, they can just man up and say so. If it wasn't working out in the studio, then it wasn't working out in the studio; no one is going to hold that against them. That's life. I just don't get the mindset where we are characterizing them as old men in one breath and as little babies in the next. I really don't get the mindset where we expect and excuse bulls**t from Keith Richards of all people.

Like it's been said upthread, none of this matters to the casual fan the Stones have been targeting since 1989.

Nobody here expects them to put out albums at the pace they did in the '60's and '70's.

Nobody here is responsible for the Stones talking about their new album. As a wise man once observed: talk is cheap. We're all getting old and personally I wouldn't mind spending some of my own remaining time listening to the new music the Stones say they've been working on.

One of the great mysteries of this site is why people can't agree to disagree. Hairball (for instance) expresses himself and people are up in arms and call him negative or a troll. He's neither, he's just opinionated and not afraid to go against the crowd. If he has the time and desire to restate the same opinions all day long, that's his business. I offer my two cents and someone whose posts I enjoy reading thinks I'm putting him down because we don't agree. Doxa says what he thinks and gets told if he feels that way, he should ask Bjornulf to close the thread. Why is everyone so thin-skinned? It's a board for fans to express opinions. It's not a matter of belonging to one camp or another.

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One of the great mysteries of this site is why people can't agree to disagree. Hairball (for instance) expresses himself and people are up in arms and call him negative or a troll. He's neither, he's just opinionated and not afraid to go against the crowd. If he has the time and desire to restate the same opinions all day long, that's his business. I offer my two cents and someone whose posts I enjoy reading thinks I'm putting him down because we don't agree. Doxa says what he thinks and gets told if he feels that way, he should ask Bjornulf to close the thread. Why is everyone so thin-skinned? It's a board for fans to express opinions. It's not a matter of belonging to one camp or another.

Because we're just human beings and not super cool super controlled perfect entities. Because fandom at adult age itself is as emotional as it can possibly get and as such the exact opposite to rationale and super cool perfect self-control. Ask Bjornulf - he could possibly tell you more about this!



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