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Lack of inspiration, no real motivation while time waits for no one, priority to concerts, what else to explain the absence of a new album since 2005...

Sums it up perfectly really, especially the "no real motivation" bit !

The priority since 2012 has been on live shows, and all was going well in that respect until COVID f***ed it all up. Personally, I'll fall over backwards if this "supposed" new album ever actually makes an appearance before we all expire. Them, us, the polar icecap, the entire planet, the universe ...

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Lack of inspiration, no real motivation while time waits for no one, priority to concerts, what else to explain the absence of a new album since 2005...

Sums it up perfectly really, especially the "no real motivation" bit !

The priority since 2012 has been on live shows, and all was going well in that respect until COVID f***ed it all up. Personally, I'll fall over backwards if this "supposed" new album ever actually makes an appearance before we all expire. Them, us, the polar icecap, the entire planet, the universe ...

Not lack of inspiration per se. Not total lack of motivation. But scarcity in incentives given them to work out thoroughly their song ideas in the studio and perfect them. That scarcity of incentives is a result of the reception to the music they have released over the later decades, leading to a vicious circle between creation and reception for their music. The first fatal instance of this circle I have repeatedly claimed was about the reception to UNDERCOVER. Maybe, though, maybe their latest single was a break through from the said longlasting circle.

But everytime a new Rolling Stones album was released I read: "back to old form!" "best since Exile!"

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But everytime a new Rolling Stones album was released I read: "back to old form!" "best since Exile!"

...don't forget "best since Some Girls"!!!

Thing is: how many copies would it sell? How much money would they make? Is it worth the bother?

I want an album, by the way

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Thing is: how many copies would it sell? How much money would they make? Is it worth the bother?

I want an album, by the way

Christ, they’re artists aren’t they? Artists CREATE. Bothering should have nothing to do with it. IF they are artists still, they should FEEL THE NEED to create. If they don’t feel they need, and ever get back on the road, then they’ll just be, as I have termed them for a few tours now, the Worlds Most Expensive Cruise Ship Band.

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Lack of inspiration, no real motivation while time waits for no one, priority to concerts, what else to explain the absence of a new album since 2005...

right! You only forgot to mention that nobody (except for some die-hard fans) wants or needs a new Stones album
(if anyone doesn't believe this – ask some ordinary people about the Stones last album and see if they are able to name its title or at least one song)

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Thing is: how many copies would it sell? How much money would they make? Is it worth the bother?

I want an album, by the way

Christ, they’re artists aren’t they? Artists CREATE. Bothering should have nothing to do with it. IF they are artists still, they should FEEL THE NEED to create. If they don’t feel they need, and ever get back on the road, then they’ll just be, as I have termed them for a few tours now, the Worlds Most Expensive Cruise Ship Band.

Creation, though, is, probably much simplified, a successful meeting between conception of song ideas, inspiration, implementation of song ideas, repeated work efforts and maybe slices of luck. As the type of band the Stones have been and now are, they will need to feel there is an eager interest in their new music, for them to have the urge to supply all that is needed. Can they feel that there really is such an eager interest?

That would make it a vanity project, I don't think that's gonna happen. A new Stones album will top the album charts no doubt (at least for the week when it's released)

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Thing is: how many copies would it sell? How much money would they make? Is it worth the bother?

I want an album, by the way

Christ, they’re artists aren’t they? Artists CREATE. Bothering should have nothing to do with it. IF they are artists still, they should FEEL THE NEED to create. If they don’t feel they need, and ever get back on the road, then they’ll just be, as I have termed them for a few tours now, the Worlds Most Expensive Cruise Ship Band.

I'm pretty sure they have created a lot. It's the releasing part that's been a bit difficult

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Thing is: how many copies would it sell? How much money would they make? Is it worth the bother?

I want an album, by the way

Christ, they’re artists aren’t they? Artists CREATE. Bothering should have nothing to do with it. IF they are artists still, they should FEEL THE NEED to create. If they don’t feel they need, and ever get back on the road, then they’ll just be, as I have termed them for a few tours now, the Worlds Most Expensive Cruise Ship Band.

I'm pretty sure they have created a lot. It's the releasing part that's been a bit difficult

Apparently / possibly heightened quality demands on their potensial product this time around?

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Thing is: how many copies would it sell? How much money would they make? Is it worth the bother?

I want an album, by the way

Christ, they’re artists aren’t they? Artists CREATE. Bothering should have nothing to do with it. IF they are artists still, they should FEEL THE NEED to create. If they don’t feel they need, and ever get back on the road, then they’ll just be, as I have termed them for a few tours now, the Worlds Most Expensive Cruise Ship Band.

LOL yep. Just like The Beach Boys. Obviously with much better songs and actual musicians, though.

The Stones are in a position, realistically, to not care if something sells regarding any album release because of the tons of millions from touring. Fortunately for them, that's how the music "industry" operates now anyway. That may be part of why they haven't bothered - a bit of an archaic mindset although certainly they now understand that songs and albums don't sell.

Some musician artists get busy with creating in other ways than recording music. Some write books. Some do plays. Some produce other musicians. Some do movies. Etc.

That was all fodder when they were in their 30s and 40s. They're almost 80 and, unlike a solo artist, it doesn't seem like they're as interested in getting together as they were two plus decades ago to record.

Artists create, yes, but some of them say the hell with it when they've had 2 solid decades of creativity resulting in 16 albums (including EMOTIONAL RESCUE and TATTOO YOU in that because they were recorded in the 1970s), a decade of partial creativity (UNDERCOVER - STEEL WHEELS), two decades of hardly any creativity and a decade of a blues album and a single.

Purposely excluding solo works, bonus material and various archive releases is appropriate. Aside from what little is done for solo material, nary a finger is lifted for anything else.

Maybe Mick should've never made the whole 'it's been ages since we recorded' public and that he's "always writing". 23 LPs by one band is a lot (THE ROLLING STONES through BLUE AND LONESOME). If B&L is the last album, great. They have a lot of albums to listen to.

Where do sites get that that Stones have released 30 studio albums? What the hell are they counting?

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MY HOPE is they hit us with an album this mid fall ...

I'm having a bit of deja vu here Ian as I vividly recall you saying the exact same thing about a new album of originals back in 2016...then 2017...and 2018...and also 2019...not to forget 2020!

Keep on hoping Ian - maybe one of these years your HOPE will finally become a reality...maybe.

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Oh please another Keef album,I would even settle for a Stones album ,but better Keef!He was just getting brilliant with Cross eyed Heart.

Oh please not. Crosseyed Heart was a bore. Hard to listen to more than a couple of times.

If it was a bore,then there's no need to listen to it a couple of times...
I still like listening to it.

I struggled to make through it once. Didn't return.

You shouldn't take it so hard...

Make no mistake, I tried not to, but it's a 'struggle' as I've said.

Next time maybe Keith'll make an album big enough so we can all rockawhile. It will probably require him to be locked away in a kitchen with Mick for things to turn out better. How I wish we could get another album like Talk is Cheap; like maybe he could just whip it up?

It means a lot that he tries, but I feel sometimes like just telling him directly, "you don't move me anymore".

BUT Keith...I'll still buy a ticket to see you the next show god-willing. I saw you in 2019...and I could have stood you up but I di-di-didn't!



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I have read that the next concerts to be released are copacabana 2006 salt lake city 2005 it is true separately combos cd dvd vinyl etc or together

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I have read that the next concerts to be released are copacabana 2006 salt lake city 2005 it is true separately combos cd dvd vinyl etc or together

We don't know it yet - wait (some weeks) for the official announcement by the Stones ....

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Where do sites get that that Stones have released 30 studio albums? What the hell are they counting?

30 Studio-Albums = 23 UK-Albums + 7 US-Albums .... [en.Wikipedia.org] .

Great new material !

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I have read that the next concerts to be released are copacabana 2006 salt lake city 2005 it is true separately combos cd dvd vinyl etc or together

We don't know it yet - wait (some weeks) for the official announcement by the Stones ....

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I readily believe that Mick is constantly writing but it seems that that's enough to satisfy his creative urge. There's rather no more (or very little) urge to also turn that into a finished product. Certainly there's no financial motivation at this point.
I'm not so sure about Keith, who every now and again also claims to be writing songs all the time. By speculation (or as the cliché would have it) I would guess that the outcomes of Mick's writing are perhaps more complete, like you might walk into a studio and record the songs, whereas Keith's are often more like raw ideas. Anyway that seems to be what many if not most of us tend to believe. Yet Keith seems to bring in more or less complete songs as well at times at least, thinking e.g. of the Steel Wheel demos of Keith singing and strumming away on an acoustic guitar, which I remember as complete enough to go on to record them without much further adoo.
Ronnie found his creative outlet in painting, whatever one thinks of it, and then he has never been a regular songwriter for the Stones anyway. I still think it's a pity that he didn't (couldn't) get more involved here.
Well, and Charlie has his horses, his cars and his suits ...
Anyway, the current pandemic situation doesn't really help things. And once they can go out touring, that was it for the new album for another while anyway.

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Ronnie found his creative outlet in painting, whatever one thinks of it, and then he has never been a regular songwriter for the Stones anyway. I still think it's a pity that he didn't (couldn't) get more involved here.

Yea, this. A lot of potential was left on the table because of this. And it’s not because he wasn’t willing or able to contribute more.

Ronnie might have been able to help slightly with various contributions, but the fact is he hasn't been very prolific either. If he's ever felt stifled by Mick and Keith he could have easily released more solo material,
but it's been over a decade since his last album, and almost another decade since the one before that. In total, a few sporadic credits on Stones albums over the years, and seven solo albums since 1974 with the
first four between '74 and '81.It's good thing he has painting as a hobby to keep him busy during all the down time, and you gotta give him credit for all of the live guest spots he does with so many other artists,
but to think he could have helped the Stones write and release more material at faster pace over the years? Maybe just a little, but probably nothing more than that.

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Ronnie might have been able to help slightly with various contributions, but the fact is he hasn't been very prolific either. If he's ever felt stifled by Mick and Keith he could have easily released more solo material,
but it's been over a decade since his last album, and almost another decade since the one before that. In total, a few sporadic credits on Stones albums over the years, and seven solo albums since 1974 with the
first four between '74 and '81.It's good thing he has painting as a hobby to keep him busy during all the down time, and you gotta give him credit for all of the live guest spots he does with so many other artists,
but to think he could have helped the Stones write and release more material at faster pace over the years? Maybe just a little, but probably nothing more than that.

...and let's not forget about the setlists. Totally prolific there.

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Lack of inspiration, no real motivation while time waits for no one, priority to concerts, what else to explain the absence of a new album since 2005...

Sums it up perfectly really, especially the "no real motivation" bit !

The priority since 2012 has been on live shows, and all was going well in that respect until COVID f***ed it all up. Personally, I'll fall over backwards if this "supposed" new album ever actually makes an appearance before we all expire. Them, us, the polar icecap, the entire planet, the universe ...

Not lack of inspiration per se. Not total lack of motivation. But scarcity in incentives given them to work out thoroughly their song ideas in the studio and perfect them. That scarcity of incentives is a result of the reception to the music they have released over the later decades, leading to a vicious circle between creation and reception for their music. The first fatal instance of this circle I have repeatedly claimed was about the reception to UNDERCOVER. Maybe, though, maybe their latest single was a break through from the said longlasting circle.

UNDERCOVER was an odd time for the Stones. MTV had become king in music promotion and they opted to not tour, which was probably a wise choice seeing that they previous year they had just finished the TATTOO YOU tour, and focused on making their most ambitious videos ever. The album lacked what previous albums had had - a bonafide hit single. As memorable as Undercover Of The Night is, U doesn't have a Brown Sugar/Miss You/Start Me Up-esque track.

UOTN, with its modern effects and sounds, had the four on the floor beat but it wasn't slinky like Miss You or Emotional Rescue and lyrically it wasn't exactly... encompassing. I dig the song but it's not a great single.

She Was Hot and Too Much Blood were left field and right field singles, with She Was Hot being a more traditional rocker and Too Much Blood being the most different single they'd ever released. Maybe too different.

What would've probably been a good move: tour REWIND, play 2 or 3 from U.

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.. but to think he could have helped the Stones write and release more material at faster pace over the years? Maybe just a little, but probably nothing more than that.

Ronnie would certainly not have written major parts of Stones albums but the occasional song here and there, or some riff, wouldn't seem unrealistic to me. He certainly seems to find more joy in painting these days. It's true that he didn't release much solo stuff in recent decades. Maybe all by himself he has as much motivation to write songs for solo albums as the Glimmers have to write songs for the Stones. Also, Ronnie's last album didn't really sound much like potential Stones material (or so I remember it, haven't listened to it in a while) - which for a solo album isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Well he does have several credits with the Stones, and chances are he contributed to some other tunes where he received no credit, so it's not like he's done nothing.
I just don't think he's ever had that driving force as a writer or even a co-writer ala Jagger or Richards, etc, and instead has filled a majority of his spare time partying and more recently focused on his painting hobby.

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Yeah it's hard to imagine a new album coming out the moment they're able to start playing shows again. They just waited too long waiting for some kind of magical inspiration they haven't had for decades instead of releasing enjoyable new music (like your average FFSO song or Wanna Tell The Truth, etc.. ) that would have pleased the fans and casual fans alike. Now if they do release an album by some kind of miracle, it's going to be "15+ years of keeping everyone waiting for "something great" (Mick's words) and that's all you have ?!". A tall order for old men who don't get along...

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lets face it...the outakes is a new Stones album....that's the reality.

No, I absolutely do believe that we’ll be gifted with a new studio album: it’s just a question of when, exactly. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if it’s suddenly announced out of nowhere. It’d create an immediate buzz, too.

The Italian press is apparently reporting that Mick is working a new solo album in Sicily...a bit odd but that would pretty much put that ongoing "new album saga" to bed once and for all. Probably for the best at this point even though the songs will be missing Keith's more unusual chords, as seen in the "Mixed Emotions" writing sessions, but they were already mostly missing on ABB anyway.

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It's probably not matter of fact regarding solo or Stones, but just a generic statement that Mick is working on music in general.
Or maybe something was lost in translation..., i.e. Mick is working alone on new music vs. Mick is working on a solo album.

That said, when the pic of Keith was posted last month with the caption "new music on the horizon", I thought it might have been a reference to solo material as there was no mention of the Stones.
Then a subsequent pic showed him in the studio with Don Was which sort of led me to think it was indeed work for new Stones material.

Whatever the case, no point in holding our breath or expecting anything new imminently - at the rate they've been recording, "the horizon" seems like it could be millions of miles away.

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