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wupperstein
I think The Rolling Stones will become a pure "Nostalgic Band".
This is the truth!
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wupperstein
I think The Rolling Stones will become a pure "Nostalgic Band".
This is the truth!
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georgelicks
Rolling Stones in 1989:
Steel Wheels was a multi-platinum album, it spent 4 months in the Top 10, 7 months in the Top 50 and it spawned a Top 5 hit and a Top 25 hit. Also the band was in their mid 40's back then.
Rolling Stones in 2020:
The band is in their mid-late 70's, the last studio album was released 15 years ago and barely went gold, it lasted 3 weeks in the Top 40 and no single charted inside the Hot 100.
Album sales are down over 75% since 2005 and almost no album reaches Gold anymore, a contemporary act as THE WHO released a new studio album two months ago, it went 2-90-194-out of the chart in less than a month.
The motivation is ZERO, no one cares, let's play the hits live for tourists and die hards and that's it, no market for new music so no new music at all.
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wupperstein
I think The Rolling Stones will become a pure "Nostalgic Band".
This is the truth!
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georgelicks
Rolling Stones in 1989:
Steel Wheels was a multi-platinum album, it spent 4 months in the Top 10, 7 months in the Top 50 and it spawned a Top 5 hit and a Top 25 hit. Also the band was in their mid 40's back then.
Rolling Stones in 2020:
The band is in their mid-late 70's, the last studio album was released 15 years ago and barely went gold, it lasted 3 weeks in the Top 40 and no single charted inside the Hot 100.
Album sales are down over 75% since 2005 and almost no album reaches Gold anymore, a contemporary act as THE WHO released a new studio album two months ago, it went 2-90-194-out of the chart in less than a month.
The motivation is ZERO, no one cares, let's play the hits live for tourists and die hards and that's it, no market for new music so no new music at all.
I think you're being too negative. Blue & Lonesome went to number one in the UK and became a platinum album and won them a Grammy Award. There's still a market for a new Rolling Stones album.
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georgelicks
Rolling Stones in 1989:
Steel Wheels was a multi-platinum album, it spent 4 months in the Top 10, 7 months in the Top 50 and it spawned a Top 5 hit and a Top 25 hit. Also the band was in their mid 40's back then.
Rolling Stones in 2020:
The band is in their mid-late 70's, the last studio album was released 15 years ago and barely went gold, it lasted 3 weeks in the Top 40 and no single charted inside the Hot 100.
Album sales are down over 75% since 2005 and almost no album reaches Gold anymore, a contemporary act as THE WHO released a new studio album two months ago, it went 2-90-194-out of the chart in less than a month.
The motivation is ZERO, no one cares, let's play the hits live for tourists and die hards and that's it, no market for new music so no new music at all.
I think you're being too negative. Blue & Lonesome went to number one in the UK and became a platinum album and won them a Grammy Award. There's still a market for a new Rolling Stones album.
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georgelicks
Rolling Stones in 1989:
Steel Wheels was a multi-platinum album, it spent 4 months in the Top 10, 7 months in the Top 50 and it spawned a Top 5 hit and a Top 25 hit. Also the band was in their mid 40's back then.
Rolling Stones in 2020:
The band is in their mid-late 70's, the last studio album was released 15 years ago and barely went gold, it lasted 3 weeks in the Top 40 and no single charted inside the Hot 100.
Album sales are down over 75% since 2005 and almost no album reaches Gold anymore, a contemporary act as THE WHO released a new studio album two months ago, it went 2-90-194-out of the chart in less than a month.
The motivation is ZERO, no one cares, let's play the hits live for tourists and die hards and that's it, no market for new music so no new music at all.
I think you're being too negative. Blue & Lonesome went to number one in the UK and became a platinum album and won them a Grammy Award. There's still a market for a new Rolling Stones album.
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Mick in 1989:
I was so insistent that we put out a new album, because I thought the Stones were becoming just a nostalgia thing. And they are nostalgia. They're out there selling their catalog and we're playing these old songs because a lot of them people want to hear. But you've got to put out new things. You've got to think for the future. The past is the past. It's gone, thank you very much.
Mick in 2020:
Rolling Stones in 1989:
Steel Wheels was a multi-platinum album, it spent 4 months in the Top 10, 7 months in the Top 50 and it spawned a Top 5 hit and a Top 25 hit. Also the band was in their mid 40's back then.
Rolling Stones in 2020:
The band is in their mid-late 70's, the last studio album was released 15 years ago and barely went gold, it lasted 3 weeks in the Top 40 and no single charted inside the Hot 100.
Album sales are down over 75% since 2005 and almost no album reaches Gold anymore, a contemporary act as THE WHO released a new studio album two months ago, it went 2-90-194-out of the chart in less than a month.
The motivation is ZERO, no one cares, let's play the hits live for tourists and die hards and that's it, no market for new music so no new music at all.
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georgelicks
Mick released 2 songs a couple of years ago and no one noticed, he's very aware of this new reality and his motivation to release new stuff is not there anymore, and we are talking about one of the most prolific songwritters during half century, he released all kind of stuff during 1963-2012, but now the world has changed, Rock music is not even Top 3 among the most consumed music genre (with Latin music being on his way to overtake Rock at 4th place this year or the next one) and with a catalog so big on his shoulders he's resting in his laurels, someone is streaming Paint It Black and Gimme Shelter as we speak, that's enough for him, that's his legacy, he records demos for himself because he likes to write music, but he doesn't want to release stuff that no one cares, it is more than obvious.
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georgelicks
Rolling Stones in 1989:
Steel Wheels was a multi-platinum album, it spent 4 months in the Top 10, 7 months in the Top 50 and it spawned a Top 5 hit and a Top 25 hit. Also the band was in their mid 40's back then.
Rolling Stones in 2020:
The band is in their mid-late 70's, the last studio album was released 15 years ago and barely went gold, it lasted 3 weeks in the Top 40 and no single charted inside the Hot 100.
Album sales are down over 75% since 2005 and almost no album reaches Gold anymore, a contemporary act as THE WHO released a new studio album two months ago, it went 2-90-194-out of the chart in less than a month.
The motivation is ZERO, no one cares, let's play the hits live for tourists and die hards and that's it, no market for new music so no new music at all.
I think you're being too negative. Blue & Lonesome went to number one in the UK and became a platinum album and won them a Grammy Award. There's still a market for a new Rolling Stones album.
Yes, B&L was a success by today's standards, the promotion was good and it was released during the Christmas season, still it was a covers album and that kind of stuff works good during the holiday season.
Sadly, the market for new stuff by old acts is getting smaller each year, recent albums by The Who, Macca, Madonna and many others failed to even spent one month in the charts, with streaming being almost 80% of the market now there's no room for any of it, after one week no one cares anymore, no longevity and no mainstream impact.
Mick released 2 songs a couple of years ago and no one noticed, he's very aware of this new reality and his motivation to release new stuff is not there anymore, and we are talking about one of the most prolific songwritters during half century, he released all kind of stuff during 1963-2012, but now the world has changed, Rock music is not even Top 3 among the most consumed music genre (with Latin music being on his way to overtake Rock at 4th place this year or the next one) and with a catalog so big on his shoulders he's resting in his laurels, someone is streaming Paint It Black and Gimme Shelter as we speak, that's enough for him, that's his legacy, he records demos for himself because he likes to write music, but he doesn't want to release stuff that no one cares, it is more than obvious.
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So why is he talking about the new album for years?!
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So why is he talking about the new album for years?!
Only one five-minute interview by year during the last 4-5 years, it's always the same, I'm writing songs", because part is truth and part is a political answer.
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wupperstein
I think The Rolling Stones will become a pure "Nostalgic Band".
This is the truth!
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GasLightStreet
Mick in 1989:
I was so insistent that we put out a new album, because I thought the Stones were becoming just a nostalgia thing. And they are nostalgia. They're out there selling their catalog and we're playing these old songs because a lot of them people want to hear. But you've got to put out new things. You've got to think for the future. The past is the past. It's gone, thank you very much.
Mick in 2020:
Rolling Stones in 1989:
Steel Wheels was a multi-platinum album, it spent 4 months in the Top 10, 7 months in the Top 50 and it spawned a Top 5 hit and a Top 25 hit. Also the band was in their mid 40's back then.
Rolling Stones in 2020:
The band is in their mid-late 70's, the last studio album was released 15 years ago and barely went gold, it lasted 3 weeks in the Top 40 and no single charted inside the Hot 100.
Album sales are down over 75% since 2005 and almost no album reaches Gold anymore, a contemporary act as THE WHO released a new studio album two months ago, it went 2-90-194-out of the chart in less than a month.
The motivation is ZERO, no one cares, let's play the hits live for tourists and die hards and that's it, no market for new music so no new music at all.
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So why is he talking about the new album for years?!
Only one five-minute interview by year during the last 4-5 years, it's always the same, I'm writing songs", because part is truth and part is a political answer.
Ok .... but three weeks or so before the tour announcement you said that Universal's probability for a new Stones studio album this year (2020) were very high ..
Kind of like it was happening. How would all that change in three weeks to now
You're saying Micks is just giving us the piss (?) ... (and is Ronnie is lying about this new album ) .. etc.
How would all that change in three weeks? Ya can't have an album almost ready and three weeks later have nothing ...and it was all a ploy ...and their attitude isnt' because ...'nobody cares about a new Stones album ..only us and some die hards' ..
With all due respect .. everyone else and even The Stones themselves have all the excuses in the world for no new studio album .. for cryin out loud don't make any more for them Lol
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georgelicks
The sessions were through all the year(s), the last one in November, I've been told, but never with the full band, Keith did some work on his own in LA and Mick/Ronnie some work in London too, Charlie's parts are already done for a while now.
There are enough songs to fill 2 or 3 albums of new material, more than 30 basic tracks are in the can, but it looks like they only want 10 good ones, a 35-40 minutes solid short album.
Of course, they can release 5 different versions of the album with different bonus tracks on each ones, so the die hards would have to buy the same album 5 times to get all the songs, but the basic 10 songs album is the main goal and they want that to be a very strong one.
The chances for the new album released this year is BIG, according to sources in Universal,
When? Well, if they bundle the album with the upcoming US tour the sales will be good there, over 500k with album/tickets/merch combos, but not so good in the rest of the world, sales are very poor in June/July.
A late 2020 release makes more sense, sales in November/December are much bigger but the impact without a tour in suport is limited (see the Who's latest album, it went 2-90-194 in the US chart) so all the options are open to discussion.
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So why is he talking about the new album for years?!
Only one five-minute interview by year during the last 4-5 years, it's always the same, I'm writing songs", because part is truth and part is a political answer.
Ok .... but three weeks or so before the tour announcement you said that Universal's probability for a new Stones studio album this year (2020) were very high ..
Kind of like it was happening. How would all that change in three weeks to now
You're saying Micks is just giving us the piss (?) ... (and is Ronnie is lying about this new album ) .. etc.
How would all that change in three weeks? Ya can't have an album almost ready and three weeks later have nothing ...and it was all a ploy ...and their attitude isnt' because ...'nobody cares about a new Stones album ..only us and some die hards' ..
With all due respect .. everyone else and even The Stones themselves have all the excuses in the world for no new studio album .. for cryin out loud don't make any more for them Lol
Good point Ian - in fact this is from Jan 5 of this new year:Quote
georgelicks
The sessions were through all the year(s), the last one in November, I've been told, but never with the full band, Keith did some work on his own in LA and Mick/Ronnie some work in London too, Charlie's parts are already done for a while now.
There are enough songs to fill 2 or 3 albums of new material, more than 30 basic tracks are in the can, but it looks like they only want 10 good ones, a 35-40 minutes solid short album.
Of course, they can release 5 different versions of the album with different bonus tracks on each ones, so the die hards would have to buy the same album 5 times to get all the songs, but the basic 10 songs album is the main goal and they want that to be a very strong one.
The chances for the new album released this year is BIG, according to sources in Universal,
When? Well, if they bundle the album with the upcoming US tour the sales will be good there, over 500k with album/tickets/merch combos, but not so good in the rest of the world, sales are very poor in June/July.
A late 2020 release makes more sense, sales in November/December are much bigger but the impact without a tour in suport is limited (see the Who's latest album, it went 2-90-194 in the US chart) so all the options are open to discussion.
Now less than two months later georgelicks tells us: "The motivation is ZERO, no one cares, let's play the hits live for tourists and die hards and that's it, no market for new music so no new music at all".
I've always relied and trusted in the words of georgelicks, but have to admit this about face has left me a bit confused.
One minute a new album is close to being ready with enough songs to fill two or three albums, and the chances of seeing it this year is BIG.
Now all of the sudden Mick doesn't care at all because the market is poor so why bother at all - instead he just writes for his personal amusement....
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I've always relied and trusted in the words of georgelicks, but have to admit this about face has left me a bit confused.
One minute a new album is close to being ready with enough songs to fill two or three albums, and the chances of seeing it this year is BIG.
Now all of the sudden Mick doesn't care at all because the market is poor so why bother at all - instead he just writes for his personal amusement....
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I've always relied and trusted in the words of georgelicks, but have to admit this about face has left me a bit confused.
One minute a new album is close to being ready with enough songs to fill two or three albums, and the chances of seeing it this year is BIG.
Now all of the sudden Mick doesn't care at all because the market is poor so why bother at all - instead he just writes for his personal amusement....
You don't get it: one thing is the album close to be ready and other thing is the lack of motivation to release new stuff.
YES an album will be released and YES the chances are bigger this year than the previuos one, but the new album is not the priority now and it won't be in two months, six months...whatever is.
Every time a new tour pops up, all work on the studio is postponed, it's been that way during many years, that's a fact.
The new album is the last thing on their minds, after almost 60 years in the industry they could care less if the new album is ready in 2017, 2020 or 2022, they don't need an album to tour behind it.
If the band is not happy with the material so far, nothing will be released, just like the last 4 years.
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I've always relied and trusted in the words of georgelicks, but have to admit this about face has left me a bit confused.
One minute a new album is close to being ready with enough songs to fill two or three albums, and the chances of seeing it this year is BIG.
Now all of the sudden Mick doesn't care at all because the market is poor so why bother at all - instead he just writes for his personal amusement....
You don't get it: one thing is the album close to be ready and other thing is the lack of motivation to release new stuff.
YES an album will be released and YES the chances are bigger this year than the previuos one, but the new album is not the priority now and it won't be in two months, six months...whatever is.
Every time a new tour pops up, all work on the studio is postponed, it's been that way during many years, that's a fact.
The new album is the last thing on their minds, after almost 60 years in the industry they could care less if the new album is ready in 2017, 2020 or 2022, they don't need an album to tour behind it.
If the band is not happy with the material so far, nothing will be released, just like the last 4 years.