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But Getta Grip was originally brought to Keith and the Stones, though it didn't work out as Keith rejected it (Ronnie and Charlie played on it though).

Kind of makes you wonder just how much of the delay has been down to Mick & Keith now being on completely different musical pages with regard to their tastes and the direction they want to go in.

B&L was so easy to do because its source material remains the firmest of common ground.

Keith was up for the idea of another Blue and Lonesome type blues covers album, and in hindsight that might have been the best option.
They would have another "new" album which would have pleased the critics and calmed the masses, and they might have even won another Grammy to stick in their hat.
It would have also given them more time to work things out amongst eachother as far as original material, but at the slow rate they're going they might have had to do two or three more Blue and Lonesomes.
Yet here they are with a stockpile of 40 or so unfinished tunes - several of them with multiple remixes due to indecision and/or negative feedback from Universal calling the batch of tunes "uneven" (according to insiders).
It's also been said they want to put out the best possible album they can muster up - hence the delays. Seems their aim is to please the fans and the the critics even more so than themselves, and maybe that's where the problem lies. ...they care too much what others think in their attempt to make another "best album since Exile"! From the Neil Young playbook - play some music, hit record, and release. Doesn't always produce great results, but move on to the next chapter. From The Who's recent playbook - take a few months prior to a new tour, get in the studio, play some music, hit record, and release. And if they hit a bump, rework one of Townsends solo tunes, and give it new life as a Who tune. It really shouldn't be that difficult for the Stones, but to Spud's point both Keith and Mick write the songs and both are "on completely different musical pages with regard to their tastes and the direction they want to go in" unlike Neil or Townshend who are the sole songwriters.

When looking at/listening to all the various versions Getta Grip/England Lost last night (and hell no I didn't listen to all start to finish), I was reminded that these were released over two years ago!!!
As for critics fawning over the old timer/classic rock and roll bands catering to just the diehard fans (recent Stones tours, new Neil and Who albums), wondering why they were so harsh on Mick's Getta Grip/England Lost release? Maybe they're all just as hungry for some new Stones material as most of us are here? Or maybe they're genuinely being truthful in their critical assessments? Whatever the case, hats off to Neil and The Who for getting it done properly and efficiently - they're being rewarded with rave reviews.

Finally, Blue and Lonesome was released just of over three years ago (Dec. '16)...they could have had volumes 1-10 by now!

they should have released a blue and lonesome type covers album in either 2011 or 2013 and then if a new studio album wasn't ready by 2018 another covers release but maybe not the blues genre. then the new album of studio material written by the band could come out in 2021.

as far as the who goes, the difference is pete is really the only writer so probably not a ton of pushback against songs by other members

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But Getta Grip was originally brought to Keith and the Stones, though it didn't work out as Keith rejected it (Ronnie and Charlie played on it though).

Kind of makes you wonder just how much of the delay has been down to Mick & Keith now being on completely different musical pages with regard to their tastes and the direction they want to go in.

B&L was so easy to do because its source material remains the firmest of common ground.

Keith was up for the idea of another Blue and Lonesome type blues covers album, and in hindsight that might have been the best option.
They would have another "new" album which would have pleased the critics and calmed the masses, and they might have even won another Grammy to stick in their hat.
It would have also given them more time to work things out amongst eachother as far as original material, but at the slow rate they're going they might have had to do two or three more Blue and Lonesomes.
Yet here they are with a stockpile of 40 or so unfinished tunes - several of them with multiple remixes due to indecision and/or negative feedback from Universal calling the batch of tunes "uneven" (according to insiders).
It's also been said they want to put out the best possible album they can muster up - hence the delays. Seems their aim is to please the fans and the the critics even more so than themselves, and maybe that's where the problem lies. ...they care too much what others think in their attempt to make another "best album since Exile"! From the Neil Young playbook - play some music, hit record, and release. Doesn't always produce great results, but move on to the next chapter. From The Who's recent playbook - take a few months prior to a new tour, get in the studio, play some music, hit record, and release. And if they hit a bump, rework one of Townsends solo tunes, and give it new life as a Who tune. It really shouldn't be that difficult for the Stones, but to Spud's point both Keith and Mick write the songs and both are "on completely different musical pages with regard to their tastes and the direction they want to go in" unlike Neil or Townshend who are the sole songwriters.

When looking at/listening to all the various versions Getta Grip/England Lost last night (and hell no I didn't listen to all start to finish), I was reminded that these were released over two years ago!!!
As for critics fawning over the old timer/classic rock and roll bands catering to just the diehard fans (recent Stones tours, new Neil and Who albums), wondering why they were so harsh on Mick's Getta Grip/England Lost release? Maybe they're all just as hungry for some new Stones material as most of us are here? Or maybe they're genuinely being truthful in their critical assessments? Whatever the case, hats off to Neil and The Who for getting it done properly and efficiently - they're being rewarded with rave reviews.

Finally, Blue and Lonesome was released just of over three years ago (Dec. '16)...they could have had volumes 1-10 by now!

they should have released a blue and lonesome type covers album in either 2011 or 2013 and then if a new studio album wasn't ready by 2018 another covers release but maybe not the blues genre. then the new album of studio material written by the band could come out in 2021.

as far as the who goes, the difference is pete is really the only writer so probably not a ton of pushback against songs by other members

I believe I covered that - see my original post above in bold and underlined.

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Interesting point: The Who's new album is to be released in November and Townsend says that all his songs were written in the last 12 months.
Also all of it recorded in 2019.
Compare that to The Stones creative and recording process.

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Interesting point: The Who's new album is to be released in November and Townsend says that all his songs were written in the last 12 months.
Also all of it recorded in 2019.
Compare that to The Stones creative and recording process.

Maybe Rocky will help explain and rationalize the Stones' slow process again so all of the plebians can better understand.

By the way, Neil Young and Crazy Horse recorded their entire new album in 11 days in a studio literally on a mountaintop surrounded by snow - and there are no blues covers.

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Interesting point: The Who's new album is to be released in November and Townsend says that all his songs were written in the last 12 months.
Also all of it recorded in 2019.
Compare that to The Stones creative and recording process.

Maybe Rocky will help explain and rationalize the Stones' slow process again so all of the plebians can better understand.

By the way, Neil Young and Crazy Horse recorded their entire new album in 11 days in a studio literally on a mountaintop surrounded by snow - and there are no blues covers.

That's the answer then.
The Stones should record where there are no distractions or means of escape.
London and NYC clearly no good for the work ethic.
A desert island maybe?

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Interesting point: The Who's new album is to be released in November and Townsend says that all his songs were written in the last 12 months.
Also all of it recorded in 2019.
Compare that to The Stones creative and recording process.

Maybe Rocky will help explain and rationalize the Stones' slow process again so all of the plebians can better understand.

By the way, Neil Young and Crazy Horse recorded their entire new album in 11 days in a studio literally on a mountaintop surrounded by snow - and there are no blues covers.

That's the answer then.
The Stones should record where there are no distractions or means of escape.
London and NYC clearly no good for the work ethic.
A desert island maybe?

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…. The Stones have done heaps
of recordings surrounded by snow …..

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Maybe Rocky will help explain and rationalize the Stones' slow process again so all of the plebians can better understand.

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Maybe Rocky will help explain and rationalize the Stones' slow process again so all of the plebians can better understand.

Some of us rewrite the same post every couple pages and some of us quote our posts repeatedly in futile attempts to demonstrate we already made the point being contested. I like to think of us as mice in Bjornulf's behavioral study.

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Interesting point: The Who's new album is to be released in November and Townsend says that all his songs were written in the last 12 months.
Also all of it recorded in 2019.
Compare that to The Stones creative and recording process.

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BTW, wasn't one of their "new" songs on Pete's solo album a while back?

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And others tend to monitor the thread and lash out at and/or attempt to belittle those who aren't in line with what is "acceptable" behavior to them - similar to a hall monitor in elementary school.
Yeah, I'm sure Bjornulf has his hands full trying to make sense of it all (not). Realistically, I doubt he really cares what members post in this thread unless it veers off to politics, religion, personal insults, etc.

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Why get up in the morning if you're over 30? You're likely not as strong, fast, smart, or capable as you were in your prime. Certainly why waste time on a message board when it was all over and done with in 1972.

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If you feel you've had an ongoing problem with how I treat you or others (that's how I read your post above)you really should message him.

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Well then we'll have threads about how the new album shouldn't have been brickwalled, should have had less songs, and been sequenced differently. It's what we do and we're good at it.

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Well then we'll have threads about how the new album shouldn't have been brickwalled, should have had less songs, and been sequenced differently. It's what we do and we're good at it.

This might be my favorite post on this thread to date. Love it Rocky

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Well then we'll have threads about how the new album shouldn't have been brickwalled, should have had less songs, and been sequenced differently. It's what we do and we're good at it.

This might be my favorite post on this thread to date. Love it Rocky

With you being one of the youngest members on this site, you ain't seen nothing yet.
If and when a new album is ever released, be prepared and buckle up your seatbelt.
It's literally a tornado of varying opinions (as seen in the old Crosseyed Heart and Blue and Loneosme threads).



EDIT: Visual added for emphasis.