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gotdablouse
Aren't the "Too Tight" guitars in standard tuning ? Hence one of the reasons it sounds so "pedestrian" ?
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Not sure...haven't listened analytically... but it falls nicely under the fingers in open G with those Am & Bm voicings that Keith often employs in that tuning .
Good fun song either way
100% sure the main guitar is in open G
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You can hear it in the whole thing.
If you listen to music via a half decent "Hi Fi" system, Brick Walling will often manifest itself as a hard, boring, one dimensional sound....with no natural dynamics or light & shade .
It can rob both vocal & instrumental parts of any feel and subtlety .
It's not the easiest thing to describe [Dandy's description of the music not being able to breathe is a useful one ]
...but if you have the opportunity to compare a sensibly mastered recording with a Brick Walled version...the differences aren't subtle !
Honestly I am not convinced. But I respect the musical perception if one is able to identify it.
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gotdablouse
Aren't the "Too Tight" guitars in standard tuning ? Hence one of the reasons it sounds so "pedestrian" ?
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Not sure...haven't listened analytically... but it falls nicely under the fingers in open G with those Am & Bm voicings that Keith often employs in that tuning .
Good fun song either way
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Rocky Dijon
For me, it's as simple as listening to "You Got Me Rocking" on the original pressing of VOODOO LOUNGE and then "Rough Justice." Sonically, it's a completely different experience. The former sounds like they wanted you to appreciate each instrument and vocal as the sum of the parts is greater than the whole. The latter sounds like it was played live in concert and the engineer had a tape recorder next to the bank of speakers at the front of the stage. You hear it all and nothing at once.
Put another way, listen to "Brown Sugar" on the 1994 Virgin remaster and then the 2009 UMG remaster. Bobby's saxophone on the latter sounds like a kazoo. That is the joy of brickwalling.
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Rocky Dijon
For me, it's as simple as listening to "You Got Me Rocking" on the original pressing of VOODOO LOUNGE and then "Rough Justice." Sonically, it's a completely different experience. The former sounds like they wanted you to appreciate each instrument and vocal as the sum of the parts is greater than the whole. The latter sounds like it was played live in concert and the engineer had a tape recorder next to the bank of speakers at the front of the stage. You hear it all and nothing at once.
Put another way, listen to "Brown Sugar" on the 1994 Virgin remaster and then the 2009 UMG remaster. Bobby's saxophone on the latter sounds like a kazoo. That is the joy of brickwalling.
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YGMR and RJ are different songs ... from different albums .. in different eras...
VL and ABB sound very different as far as the production (/recording and mastering) because they had a different sonic aim due it it being a different time.
The loudness .. bare boned and in your face rawness of a compressed recording (AB versus something much smoother and breathable (VL). ABB was simply taking on the production style of the day and I think they made it work. I don't think most of ABB would hit you as hard and direct if they tried to benefit the dynamics versus the driving compression as say they did with VL.
Slightly different themed / styled songs .. different eras... different sonic approaches .. that's all it was. That was nothing much different from what the Stones have done all along or at least since the mid 70's.
Personally I think they made it work and I enjoyed the approach very much (on both albums).
So then ... I wonder what is next ...hmmmmmmm?
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HMS
How about a double-EP?
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marquess
...A BIGGER BANG has moments that are stellar and moments that aren't, but it's biggest flaw was the brickwalling. ...
I agree with you regarding the awfull brickwalling in "A Bigger Bang".
Listen to the version remastered to vinyl by Abbey Road for the recent 71-2016 boxed set .
It has far less compression ...and sounds like a different album.
Hugely better
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Rocky Dijon
For me, it's as simple as listening to "You Got Me Rocking" on the original pressing of VOODOO LOUNGE and then "Rough Justice." Sonically, it's a completely different experience. The former sounds like they wanted you to appreciate each instrument and vocal as the sum of the parts is greater than the whole. The latter sounds like it was played live in concert and the engineer had a tape recorder next to the bank of speakers at the front of the stage. You hear it all and nothing at once.
Put another way, listen to "Brown Sugar" on the 1994 Virgin remaster and then the 2009 UMG remaster. Bobby's saxophone on the latter sounds like a kazoo. That is the joy of brickwalling.
YGMR and RJ are different songs ... from different albums .. in different eras...
VL and ABB sound very different as far as the production (/recording and mastering) because they had a different sonic aim due it it being a different time.
The loudness .. bare boned and in your face rawness of a compressed recording (AB versus something much smoother and breathable (VL). ABB was simply taking on the production style of the day and I think they made it work. I don't think most of ABB would hit you as hard and direct if they tried to benefit the dynamics versus the driving compression as say they did with VL.
Slightly different themed / styled songs .. different eras... different sonic approaches .. that's all it was. That was nothing much different from what the Stones have done all along or at least since the mid 70's.
Personally I think they made it work and I enjoyed the approach very much (on both albums).
So then ... I wonder what is next ...hmmmmmmm?
If VOODOO LOUNGE was brickwalled like A BIGGER BANG, you wouldn't like it as much.
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Rocky Dijon
For me, it's as simple as listening to "You Got Me Rocking" on the original pressing of VOODOO LOUNGE and then "Rough Justice." Sonically, it's a completely different experience. The former sounds like they wanted you to appreciate each instrument and vocal as the sum of the parts is greater than the whole. The latter sounds like it was played live in concert and the engineer had a tape recorder next to the bank of speakers at the front of the stage. You hear it all and nothing at once.
Put another way, listen to "Brown Sugar" on the 1994 Virgin remaster and then the 2009 UMG remaster. Bobby's saxophone on the latter sounds like a kazoo. That is the joy of brickwalling.
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beachbreak
The boys will put out a great album of originals.
Better than ABB.
Some golden nuggets on Cross Eyed Heart, more to come, Mick too.
They own the formula, just ponder the size of their catalog!
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Rocky Dijon
For me, it's as simple as listening to "You Got Me Rocking" on the original pressing of VOODOO LOUNGE and then "Rough Justice." Sonically, it's a completely different experience. The former sounds like they wanted you to appreciate each instrument and vocal as the sum of the parts is greater than the whole. The latter sounds like it was played live in concert and the engineer had a tape recorder next to the bank of speakers at the front of the stage. You hear it all and nothing at once.
Put another way, listen to "Brown Sugar" on the 1994 Virgin remaster and then the 2009 UMG remaster. Bobby's saxophone on the latter sounds like a kazoo. That is the joy of brickwalling.
YGMR and RJ are different songs ... from different albums .. in different eras...
VL and ABB sound very different as far as the production (/recording and mastering) because they had a different sonic aim due it it being a different time.
The loudness .. bare boned and in your face rawness of a compressed recording (AB versus something much smoother and breathable (VL). ABB was simply taking on the production style of the day and I think they made it work. I don't think most of ABB would hit you as hard and direct if they tried to benefit the dynamics versus the driving compression as say they did with VL.
Slightly different themed / styled songs .. different eras... different sonic approaches .. that's all it was. That was nothing much different from what the Stones have done all along or at least since the mid 70's.
Personally I think they made it work and I enjoyed the approach very much (on both albums).
So then ... I wonder what is next ...hmmmmmmm?
If VOODOO LOUNGE was brickwalled like A BIGGER BANG, you wouldn't like it as much.
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Sure I agree. You're right.
However Look VL and ABB are written a bit differently....different songs... lots of added musicians etc on one .. barely any on another etc. They are two different types of albums.
One can equate that to putting bright canary yellow on a nice 1948 Bentley and saying I wouldn't like it as much as the 1980 Corvette which already has it. I wouldnt like it as much bc I dont think it would look good on that type of car.
...same is true with those albums ... they are different 'things' you understand ... ABB wouldnt sound as good with that type of VL production IMO either .. or rather .. it would not fit that mold and would be missing it's purpose.... it's essence.
Albums and songs and the production at hand need to be a fit ... It should be has to be what suites the 'material' at hand .. (as well as taking into consideration the production trends and the era in which things are made). ABB was a stripped down much simpler album. VL was more adventurous with more people ... Different types of songs too ..
So that is how things work to my ears.
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GasLightStreet
The rest of the band were hardly involved. And then I took it to Bob Clearmountain, who did this great job of mixing so that it doesn't sound like it's from different periods.
- Mick Jagger, 1995
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Nothing on UNDERCOVER would work anywhere else
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Nothing on UNDERCOVER would work anywhere else
She Was Hot, All The Way Down, Too Tough, Wanna Hold You all would work on albums like SG & ER, imo.
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GasLightStreet
The rest of the band were hardly involved. And then I took it to Bob Clearmountain, who did this great job of mixing so that it doesn't sound like it's from different periods.
- Mick Jagger, 1995
[timeisonourside.com]
Obviously even Mick Jagger confirms that TY is a compilation album.
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GasLightStreet
The rest of the band were hardly involved. And then I took it to Bob Clearmountain, who did this great job of mixing so that it doesn't sound like it's from different periods.
- Mick Jagger, 1995
[timeisonourside.com]
Obviously even Mick Jagger confirms that TY is a compilation album.
He's never said that. You're the only kook that has said it. #FakeStonesFan
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peoplewitheyes
GasLight - why do you rise to the bait every time?!
I enjoy your insightful contributions, pleas don't get side tracked into this nonsensical labyrinth...
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IanBillen
TY was not a compilation album (compilation albums are songs that were already released or completed or were b sides to singles etc..). TY was an album comprised of unreleased material over the years that was not completed that was worked up and crafted with a few newer (more recent) tunes thrown into the batch as well. It is / was a new studio album .. but it wasn't nor is it ever seen as a compilation.
Now... on with the convo about the upcoming album .. whenever it will FINALLY come Lol.
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IanBillen
TY was not a compilation album (compilation albums are songs that were already released or completed or were b sides to singles etc..). TY was an album comprised of unreleased material over the years that was not completed that was worked up and crafted with a few newer (more recent) tunes thrown into the batch as well. It is / was a new studio album .. but it wasn't nor is it ever seen as a compilation.
Now... on with the convo about the upcoming album .. whenever it will FINALLY come Lol.
Since the lads have an extra day in New Orleans due to the postponed show they should be taking advantage of their time off and proximity to each other and spend an afternoon writing together in their hotel suite. Or watching cricket.
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The rest of the band were hardly involved. And then I took it to Bob Clearmountain, who did this great job of mixing so that it doesn't sound like it's from different periods.
- Mick Jagger, 1995
[timeisonourside.com]
Obviously even Mick Jagger confirms that TY is a compilation album.
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IanBillen
TY was not a compilation album (compilation albums are songs that were already released or completed or were b sides to singles etc..). TY was an album comprised of unreleased material over the years that was not completed that was worked up and crafted with a few newer (more recent) tunes thrown into the batch as well. It is / was a new studio album .. but it wasn't nor is it ever seen as a compilation.
Now... on with the convo about the upcoming album .. whenever it will FINALLY come Lol.
Since the lads have an extra day in New Orleans due to the postponed show they should be taking advantage of their time off and proximity to each other and spend an afternoon writing together in their hotel suite. Or watching cricket.
Please don’t rush them.
After 15 years of waiting i don’t think it’s appropriate to put pressure on them for a new album. They’re in the "early stages" and we can wait.
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TornAndFried
They don't need the additional pressure of their fans
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GasLightStreet
Somehow you can't handle what "album" means.