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Hairball
The "wall" they hit (as per Don Was) could have been based on a number of things at that particular moment - it's doesn't have to necessarily be just a Keith vs. Mick thing.
I do recall though that it had to do with a particular song they were attempting to play, and when it wasn't working they played a blues tune at Keith's suggestion, and it took off from there eventually resulting in B&L.
The "wall" could have also been based on bad vibes in the room, guitars wouldn't stay tuned, equipment malfunction, someone was under the weather, someone had flatulence (lol), etc. preventing furtehr work that day.
But based on all the quotes and activity from the band themselves, "the wall" seems to have gone on a bit deeper than all of that, and there seems to have been more than just one of them. The recording and releasing of Getta Grip w/out Keith ("the bugger went ahead and did it" was Keith's response) as one example. Ronnie's "might start from scratch" quotes (in other words back to the drawing board) is another example. I don't think they'd have to go to that extreme if it all was going great. And Universal not pleased with the direction (call it the Universal "wall"). Call it whatever you want - a wall, a detour, a stumbling block, or whatever, but clearly this hasn't been smooth sailing for the band. The good news is they're continuing to chip away slowly but surely.
I don't think anybody here expected and talked about "smooth sailing" for the band in connection with the new album.
That why I wrote "considering their age, I simply cannot see anybody involved interested in major fussing and fighting and wasting time, money and energy connected with this", with the emphasis on "major".
They are, as we know, a band, and I've yet to hear from a recording process of any band with creative control of their doings that went on without any discussions and disagreements between band members. It's just a natural thing in the creative process of bands recording music, while "smooth saling" is likely the exception from the general rule.
And that also counts for solo artists. The only difference is that they have to clear their doubts with certain material with themselves, not counting fights with producers or record companies of course.
I once talked with Mick Taylor about his feelings when Dylan's Infidels came out without the highly acclaimed electric version of Blind Willie McTell, and as far as I remember he responded along the lines "well, I was obviously disappointed because I think it's a great song and performance that would have fitted the album but I really had no say in it, it was Bob's decision and I have to live with it!". In a band situation there would have been fights for its inclusion!
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CJFP
Okay, guys and gals, I have a theory. Two months from today is one of the annual Record Store Days. What if that's when they release the album/single/EP? It would make sense! They released Just Your Fool, No Spare Parts,and I think they released D&G on that day. That is my bet so far. Tell me what you think!
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CJFP
Okay, guys and gals, I have a theory. Two months from today is one of the annual Record Store Days. What if that's when they release the album/single/EP? It would make sense! They released Just Your Fool, No Spare Parts,and I think they released D&G on that day. That is my bet so far. Tell me what you think!
I am sorry, allow me to clarify. Black Friday is also a Record Store Day. It was Plundered My Soul that was released in April! Sorry!Quote
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CJFP
Okay, guys and gals, I have a theory. Two months from today is one of the annual Record Store Days. What if that's when they release the album/single/EP? It would make sense! They released Just Your Fool, No Spare Parts,and I think they released D&G on that day. That is my bet so far. Tell me what you think!
'Just Your Fool', 'No Spare Parts' and 'Doom & Gloom' were all released in Oct/Nov - Wikipedia .
But maybe yes - the Stones will release one new Track before the 2019 Tour and play it then live - like 'Doom & Gloom' 2012 onwards.
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Hairball
The "wall" they hit (as per Don Was) could have been based on a number of things at that particular moment - it's doesn't have to necessarily be just a Keith vs. Mick thing.
I do recall though that it had to do with a particular song they were attempting to play, and when it wasn't working they played a blues tune at Keith's suggestion, and it took off from there eventually resulting in B&L.
The "wall" could have also been based on bad vibes in the room, guitars wouldn't stay tuned, equipment malfunction, someone was under the weather, someone had flatulence (lol), etc. preventing furtehr work that day.
But based on all the quotes and activity from the band themselves, "the wall" seems to have gone on a bit deeper than all of that, and there seems to have been more than just one of them. The recording and releasing of Getta Grip w/out Keith ("the bugger went ahead and did it" was Keith's response) as one example. Ronnie's "might start from scratch" quotes (in other words back to the drawing board) is another example. I don't think they'd have to go to that extreme if it all was going great. And Universal not pleased with the direction (call it the Universal "wall"). Call it whatever you want - a wall, a detour, a stumbling block, or whatever, but clearly this hasn't been smooth sailing for the band. The good news is they're continuing to chip away slowly but surely.
I don't think anybody here expected and talked about "smooth sailing" for the band in connection with the new album.
That why I wrote "considering their age, I simply cannot see anybody involved interested in major fussing and fighting and wasting time, money and energy connected with this", with the emphasis on "major".
They are, as we know, a band, and I've yet to hear from a recording process of any band with creative control of their doings that went on without any discussions and disagreements between band members. It's just a natural thing in the creative process of bands recording music, while "smooth saling" is likely the exception from the general rule.
And that also counts for solo artists. The only difference is that they have to clear their doubts with certain material with themselves, not counting fights with producers or record companies of course.
I once talked with Mick Taylor about his feelings when Dylan's Infidels came out without the highly acclaimed electric version of Blind Willie McTell, and as far as I remember he responded along the lines "well, I was obviously disappointed because I think it's a great song and performance that would have fitted the album but I really had no say in it, it was Bob's decision and I have to live with it!". In a band situation there would have been fights for its inclusion!
Since you talkin so loud,What do you know,AS others did,nt now?Jagger told in an interwiew that he was going to a meeting.And you or was IT youre friend,told everybody that IT was probably Jaggers hollywood way to just talk about working on the album.How did you guys now that?Can you tell me,where this information came from?Since you two guys now everything about the Stones,and especially Jagger,let this information come thru the lightQuote
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harlem shuffleWhat do you know,since it really cracks you up?Absolutely nothing i think.Just some more bullshit against Jagger again.Quote
TeddyB1018
“Meetings.” Wow. One used to call it recording, or rehearsals, or being in the studio. Maybe they should bring their lawyers to these meetings, in some conference room, to help negotiate the direction of the album. Or maybe Mick is just so Hollywood these days that he talks in terms of meetings. Cracks me up.
I've been mean to some people over the years - and as far as I recall they all deserved it. But it was within the respect of what happens here.
You, on the other hand, have no idea about anything TeddyB1018 has done or knows about The Rolling Stones. You have zero context and nothing but your deplorable attitude.
A glacial pace...hmmmm.. I no longer believe in global warming....because there are FOUR enormous glaciers which are not moving at all.Quote
Rockman
Nobody knows anything … page after page of nothing
Stones are working at their own pace …..
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Hairball
The "wall" they hit (as per Don Was)
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..., someone had flatulence (lol), etc.
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Hairball
..., someone had flatulence (lol), etc.
Hmm, thinking about this. - Is it known which way roud Mick played the harp on B&L?
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Hairball
The "wall" they hit (as per Don Was)
If Don Was hadn't brought up the wall, this thread would be ~270 pages shorter, we would all be bored to death and start listen to the Ohio Express
We should bloody thank the guy!
I bet you anything this is just some more of Keith and his not knowing when they will be done. It says they are going to START recording, we know they already started.Quote
Cristiano Radtke
From the upcoming Mojo magazine (April 2019), as previewed by the Daily Mail
"The Stones are also about to start recording their new album.
Keith, who is also guest-editing the magazine this month said: 'We're in the studio in a couple of weeks, the whole kit and caboodle. The Stones with Don Was producing, in LA.
'We'll have it done this year, at some point. We'll put down as much as we can for a week or so, and then we're on the road. So we'll see what happens after that.'
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CJFPI bet you anything this is just some more of Keith and his not knowing when they will be done. It says they are going to START recording, we know they already started.Quote
Cristiano Radtke
From the upcoming Mojo magazine (April 2019), as previewed by the Daily Mail
"The Stones are also about to start recording their new album.
Keith, who is also guest-editing the magazine this month said: 'We're in the studio in a couple of weeks, the whole kit and caboodle. The Stones with Don Was producing, in LA.
'We'll have it done this year, at some point. We'll put down as much as we can for a week or so, and then we're on the road. So we'll see what happens after that.'
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shortfatfanny
Hopefully Don Was won't be remembered as Don Wall someday...
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Hairball
Yes Ian you were correct and made your point loud and clear.
But what do you make of Keith's latest?
'We'll have it done this year, at some point. We'll put down as much as we can for a week or so, and then we're on the road. So we'll see what happens after that.'
Is this just more B.S. from Keith? I recall you saying some of his other quotes were pure B.S.
Or does this new quote give you more reason to believe him and be optimistic about it?
As I said many pages back, Keith has a way of talking out of both sides of his mouth at once, and this is another example.
"we'll have it done this year"...followed by "we'll see what happens after the tour"...not exactly a contradiction, but certainly a mixed message.
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Hairball
Sure that makes sense Ian, but there's also the problem of getting them all together at the same time due to conflicting schedules.
Their recent time in L.A. was marked on their calendars for quite some time, interestingly right around the Grammys w/plenty of celebs and parties, so hopefully they didn't get too distracted with what Mick previously called distractions and hangers ons, etc. Then they'll reconvene after the tour, but it could be months to get them all together in the same place again due to recuperation, relaxation, vacation, and of course family time. If the "meat of the recording" is finished as you seem to believe, then yeah...maybe they don't all need to be together at the same time. While I'm not as sure as you they finished "the meat", I do think they may have put some near finishing touches on a song or two to be released prior to the tour (hopefully). Not so sure a full album will be completed by late fall...could be, but hesitant to believe it. Still thinking 2020 at the very earliest.