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georgelicks
If the Stones are waiting for a better time to release old outtakes or box sets, sadly that ship has sailed, nowadays nobody buys records anymore except people over 40/45 or die hard fans, a big hit record sell 2 o 3 million copies worldwide these days, 70% of the market is streaming and it will be 80-90% in a couple of years.
The right time to put out outtakes or box sets was 1994-2005/10 or so when record sales were on an all time peak, the Beatles released the Anthology series during the right time and it was a success with over 16 million copies sold, their recent archive releases (Pepper/White Album) were #1 or Top 5 everywere but both failed to even reach 1 million copies sold worldwide.
Queen is peaking on popularity thanks to the movie, but 90% of the success is thanks to streaming of the big hits, the soundtrack has sold only 800k worldwide, but Bohemian Rhapsody has over 15m streams each week only on Youtube.
A Stones new record could sell again 2 million copies as B&L if they release it during the Christmas season, there's no market worldwide to sell more than that.
Any archive stuff would sell 500-800k worldwide at best, there's no market worldwide to sell more than that.
If anything happens to any of the Stones, their back catalog would explode on the streaming market, Gimme Shelter, Paint It Black or Start Me Up would reach the top of the charts worldwide with millions of streams, but not more than 1 or 2 million people worldwide would buy any new or old stuff, again there's no market for more than that.
The more they wait to release new or old stuff, the less they sell due to lack of market/demand for physical material.
Meanwhile the songs on Hot Rocks reach 5-6 million streams each week only in the US, enough to keep the album charting on the Billboard 200 almost each week during the past year, the same in the UK, that's their legacy.
I do not think this interests the Stones a lot, they always made the money playing in concerts, if it were for the earnings of cd-dvd discs the Stones would be poor.[/[/b]quote]
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georgelicks
If the Stones are waiting for a better time to release old outtakes or box sets, sadly that ship has sailed, nowadays nobody buys records anymore except people over 40/45 or die hard fans, a big hit record sell 2 o 3 million copies worldwide these days, 70% of the market is streaming and it will be 80-90% in a couple of years.
The right time to put out outtakes or box sets was 1994-2005/10 or so when record sales were on an all time peak, the Beatles released the Anthology series during the right time and it was a success with over 16 million copies sold, their recent archive releases (Pepper/White Album) were #1 or Top 5 everywere but both failed to even reach 1 million copies sold worldwide.
Queen is peaking on popularity thanks to the movie, but 90% of the success is thanks to streaming of the big hits, the soundtrack has sold only 800k worldwide, but Bohemian Rhapsody has over 15m streams each week only on Youtube.
A Stones new record could sell again 2 million copies as B&L if they release it during the Christmas season, there's no market worldwide to sell more than that.
Any archive stuff would sell 500-800k worldwide at best, there's no market worldwide to sell more than that.
If anything happens to any of the Stones, their back catalog would explode on the streaming market, Gimme Shelter, Paint It Black or Start Me Up would reach the top of the charts worldwide with millions of streams, but not more than 1 or 2 million people worldwide would buy any new or old stuff, again there's no market for more than that.
The more they wait to release new or old stuff, the less they sell due to lack of market/demand for physical material.
Meanwhile the songs on Hot Rocks reach 5-6 million streams each week only in the US, enough to keep the album charting on the Billboard 200 almost each week during the past year, the same in the UK, that's their legacy.
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This is crazy 290 pages so far
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timbernardis
One question-- Hot Rocks seems to consistently sell the best of any of their hits anthologies -- 40 Licks, Grrr, etc. Why? Just cuz it extensively covers the period when they had more hits than any other era?
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timbernardis
One question-- Hot Rocks seems to consistently sell the best of any of their hits anthologies -- 40 Licks, Grrr, etc. Why? Just cuz it extensively covers the period when they had more hits than any other era?
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timbernardis
One question-- Hot Rocks seems to consistently sell the best of any of their hits anthologies -- 40 Licks, Grrr, etc. Why? Just cuz it extensively covers the period when they had more hits than any other era?
plexi
Well, I bought 40 Licks and probably like a lot of people played Disc one but pretty much ignored Disc two.
Hot Rocks was maybe the best thing ABKCO ever did for the group (and the label of course).
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So Mister Licks, r u saying that they are not releasing any new material because no one (younger folks anyway) will stream it? Is it solely a financially based decision?
No, just another reason to not to, in a long list of reasons.
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So Mister Licks, r u saying that they are not releasing any new material because no one (younger folks anyway) will stream it? Is it solely a financially based decision?
No, just another reason to not to, in a long list of reasons.
The problem with all the analysis/speculation is it doesnt explain why other Acts in the same league as The Stones have continued to put out new material (even if not as at prolific as their peak)
Macca
Dylan
Rod Stewart
Van Morrison
Bruce Springsteen
U2.
Neil Young, Crosby also.
Even if Mick retains his interests in the Economics of the record industry...with all the dosh he has DOES it really matter to him?
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This is crazy 290 pages so far
Adjust your settings. I only show a reasonable 260 pages.
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This is crazy 290 pages so far
Adjust your settings. I only show a reasonable 260 pages.
sorry my 6 was upside down.....
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It won't happen, but how nice it would be if Andrew produced their last album or at least wrote the liner notes. I could read Andrew's writings every day. That's why our hopkins can be such a joy. You can lose yourself in their writings.
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georgelicks
The right time to put out outtakes or box sets was 1994-2005/10 or so when record sales were on an all time peak, the Beatles released the Anthology series during the right time and it was a success with over 16 million copies sold, ...
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retired_dog
... after the commercial desaster that No Security really was - a live album with a tracklist aimed directly at fans (not even Universal cared or even dared to re-release it until now).
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retired_dog
In the same way they don't "need" a new album right now. If it surprisingly appears any time soon, it will be a nice gesture to their fans worldwide and (hopefully) an artistic statement, but a necessity? For us, yes, but not for them.
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When Pete Townshend’s management team came to him with a lucrative offer from Live Nation to spend much of 2019 on the road with the Who, he said he’d only agree to it under a single condition. “I said I was not going to sign any contracts unless we have new material,” says Townshend. “This has nothing to do with wanting a hit album. It has nothing to do with the fact that the Who need a new album. It’s purely personal. It’s about my pride, my sense of self-worth and self-dignity as a writer.”
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Nuff said ...
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So Mister Licks, r u saying that they are not releasing any new material because no one (younger folks anyway) will stream it? Is it solely a financially based decision?
No, just another reason to not to, in a long list of reasons.
The problem with all the analysis/speculation is it doesnt explain why other Acts in the same league as The Stones have continued to put out new material (even if not as at prolific as their peak)
Macca
Dylan
Rod Stewart
Van Morrison
Bruce Springsteen
U2.
Neil Young, Crosby also.
Even if Mick retains his interests in the Economics of the record industry...with all the dosh he has DOES it really matter to him?
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doitywoik
The days when new albums were "important" on the culture scene or wherever are long gone.
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tiffanyblu
...Being just a nostalgica band isn't enough for me even if they live wants to play the same hits over and over again.
I want them to have one last important bang to the music industry.
It's a lot of dreaming I know
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Spud
I often get the impression that they [Keith in particular] think they're a Jazz band...and the music is brand new every time they play it !