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Rocky Dijon
Bernard's in the studio.

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Rocky Dijon
Bernard's in the studio. They're not stuck where they were two years ago. This album wasn't done the way most Stones albums are where all the bottoms were finished, then vocals were added, and then mixing and overdubbing is yet to come to finish the entire project.

Bernard put down backing vocals nearly 18 months ago for some of the tracks. He's doing more backing vocals (for different tracks) now. While the album sessions began three years ago, some of the tracks were written a few years earlier than that just as several tracks hadn't been written until this year or last year. I don't know if any earlier material (STEEL WHEELS through LICKS) was reworked. I know Don Was suggested it, but I don't know that Mick and Keith agreed.

I had posted this same information last year that I heard tracks were in different stages and that radically different versions of some songs existed. It has been experimental with other hands involved, not just Don. I don't know for certain what that means as far as final production credits which is why I asked Soldatti who said it was "very likely" Jordan, Clifford, and Falk would have production credits. I took that as a sign that what I heard was reliable and that some tracks were finished (mixed, ready to go) as early as 2016 and other tracks were created last year and this year.

It's been a strange process. Carl Falk has come and gone in 2017 and 2018. If Mick isn't stockpiling tracks for a solo album, he's been seeing what can be crafted with different sounds and approaches for the Stones. Ronnie and Charlie do not have to be present for every session though Ronnie did do an overdub session earler this year regardless of what he says to the media. Keyon Harrold laid down trumpet a couple years ago for a track that has been finished for a very long time now while others weren't even conceived.

Charlie and Ronnie attend the business meetings. They know far more than what they tell the media. Even Don Was and Chuck and Darryl know more than what they tell. They say what they can. Less is more. The general public doesn't obsess over hitting the wall.

As for not mentioning the album while announcing the tour, I take that as a sign that NO FILTER is no longer the album name. A nice idea a couple years ago.

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Rocky Dijon
Bernard's in the studio. They're not stuck where they were two years ago. This album wasn't done the way most Stones albums are where all the bottoms were finished, then vocals were added, and then mixing and overdubbing is yet to come to finish the entire project.

Bernard put down backing vocals nearly 18 months ago for some of the tracks. He's doing more backing vocals (for different tracks) now. While the album sessions began three years ago, some of the tracks were written a few years earlier than that just as several tracks hadn't been written until this year or last year. I don't know if any earlier material (STEEL WHEELS through LICKS) was reworked. I know Don Was suggested it, but I don't know that Mick and Keith agreed.

I had posted this same information last year that I heard tracks were in different stages and that radically different versions of some songs existed. It has been experimental with other hands involved, not just Don. I don't know for certain what that means as far as final production credits which is why I asked Soldatti who said it was "very likely" Jordan, Clifford, and Falk would have production credits. I took that as a sign that what I heard was reliable and that some tracks were finished (mixed, ready to go) as early as 2016 and other tracks were created last year and this year.

It's been a strange process. Carl Falk has come and gone in 2017 and 2018. If Mick isn't stockpiling tracks for a solo album, he's been seeing what can be crafted with different sounds and approaches for the Stones. Ronnie and Charlie do not have to be present for every session though Ronnie did do an overdub session earler this year regardless of what he says to the media. Keyon Harrold laid down trumpet a couple years ago for a track that has been finished for a very long time now while others weren't even conceived.

Charlie and Ronnie attend the business meetings. They know far more than what they tell the media. Even Don Was and Chuck and Darryl know more than what they tell. They say what they can. Less is more. The general public doesn't obsess over hitting the wall.

As for not mentioning the album while announcing the tour, I take that as a sign that NO FILTER is no longer the album name. A nice idea a couple years ago.

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In German there's a proverb saying 'Viele Köche verderben den Brei' (Too many cooks spoil the porridge)

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In German there's a proverb saying 'Viele Köche verderben den Brei' (Too many cooks spoil the porridge)

This is a universal saying, yet in many places soup or broth is used instead of porridge.

From The American Heritage Idioms Dictionary:

Too many persons involved in managing an activity can ruin it, as in Without a conductor, every player had an idea for how the music should go—too many cooks spoil the broth .
This expression alludes to each of many cooks adding something to a soup, which finally tastes awful. It was already considered a proverb in 1575 (by George Gascoigne in The Life of P. Care ).

I have a feeling the new album won't be "ruined" by this process, but am expecting an eclectic mix of ideas....imagine Crosseyed Heart meets Superheavy if that's possible.
Or imagine Take it So Hard clashing with Let's Work. Or imagine if Getta Grip/England Lost would have had a few Keith guitar parts overdubbed on to them. Based on everything we know so far of this years long soap opera, and taking into consideration the "too many cooks" aspect, not sure what else too expect. Bottom line; a full cohesive album is probably not in the cards...eclectic and random sounds more like it.

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Rocky Dijon
Bernard's in the studio. They're not stuck where they were two years ago. This album wasn't done the way most Stones albums are where all the bottoms were finished, then vocals were added, and then mixing and overdubbing is yet to come to finish the entire project.

Bernard put down backing vocals nearly 18 months ago for some of the tracks. He's doing more backing vocals (for different tracks) now. While the album sessions began three years ago, some of the tracks were written a few years earlier than that just as several tracks hadn't been written until this year or last year. I don't know if any earlier material (STEEL WHEELS through LICKS) was reworked. I know Don Was suggested it, but I don't know that Mick and Keith agreed.

I had posted this same information last year that I heard tracks were in different stages and that radically different versions of some songs existed. It has been experimental with other hands involved, not just Don. I don't know for certain what that means as far as final production credits which is why I asked Soldatti who said it was "very likely" Jordan, Clifford, and Falk would have production credits. I took that as a sign that what I heard was reliable and that some tracks were finished (mixed, ready to go) as early as 2016 and other tracks were created last year and this year.

It's been a strange process. Carl Falk has come and gone in 2017 and 2018. If Mick isn't stockpiling tracks for a solo album, he's been seeing what can be crafted with different sounds and approaches for the Stones. Ronnie and Charlie do not have to be present for every session though Ronnie did do an overdub session earler this year regardless of what he says to the media. Keyon Harrold laid down trumpet a couple years ago for a track that has been finished for a very long time now while others weren't even conceived.

Charlie and Ronnie attend the business meetings. They know far more than what they tell the media. Even Don Was and Chuck and Darryl know more than what they tell. They say what they can. Less is more. The general public doesn't obsess over hitting the wall.

As for not mentioning the album while announcing the tour, I take that as a sign that NO FILTER is no longer the album name. A nice idea a couple years ago.

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Rocky Dijon
Charlie and Ronnie attend the business meetings. They know far more than what they tell the media. Even Don Was and Chuck and Darryl know more than what they tell.

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Rocky Dijon
The general public doesn't obsess over hitting the wall.

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Hairball
Without a conductor, every player had an idea for how the music should go .

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Hairball
... but am expecting an eclectic mix of ideas.... a full cohesive album is probably not in the cards...eclectic and random sounds more like it.

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Rocky Dijon
Charlie and Ronnie attend the business meetings. They know far more than what they tell the media. Even Don Was and Chuck and Darryl know more than what they tell.

You betcha! However much or little they know, it's still more than us regular folks here know.

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Rocky Dijon
The general public doesn't obsess over hitting the wall.

I guess the general public doesn't care at all right now. They will possibly care once the album is out, but who apart from a handful of Stones nerds gives a damn right now about whether they are working on it for two or three or four years or whatever now?

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Hairball
Without a conductor, every player had an idea for how the music should go .

... free jazz?

(Although, I once read that Coleman understood "free" here not as an adjective but as an imperative.)

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Hairball
... but am expecting an eclectic mix of ideas.... a full cohesive album is probably not in the cards...eclectic and random sounds more like it.

Possibly not even the worst that could happen. Depending on how cohesive cohesive turns ot to be, a too fully cohesive album might soon get boring. A little variety keeps things interesting also in the longer run. Maybe you don't like everything (or don't like everything at once), but it won't bore you, and you might discover things later on that you didn't notice earlier, or like things later on that you disliked earlier. That concept is quite alright with me.

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…. Stones are doin' fine ….
Notre-Dame cathedral took a couple hundred years ….

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Rocky Dijon
The general public doesn't obsess over hitting the wall.

I guess the general public doesn't care at all right now. They will possibly care once the album is out, but who apart from a handful of Stones nerds gives a damn right now about whether they are working on it for two or three or four years or whatever now?

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Hairball
... but am expecting an eclectic mix of ideas.... a full cohesive album is probably not in the cards...eclectic and random sounds more like it.

Possibly not even the worst that could happen. Depending on how cohesive cohesive turns ot to be, a too fully cohesive album might soon get boring. A little variety keeps things interesting also in the longer run. Maybe you don't like everything (or don't like everything at once), but it won't bore you, and you might discover things later on that you didn't notice earlier, or like things later on that you disliked earlier. That concept is quite alright with me.

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Rockman
…. Stones are doin' fine ….
Notre-Dame cathedral took a couple hundred years ….

Charlie actually WORKED on that one!

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They are in a multimillion-dollar record contract about it ... they BETTER know. they simply play it down ...

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Hairball
... and I didn't intend that to be a criticism necessarily.

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Rocky Dijon
Bernard's in the studio. They're not stuck where they were two years ago. This album wasn't done the way most Stones albums are where all the bottoms were finished, then vocals were added, and then mixing and overdubbing is yet to come to finish the entire project.

Bernard put down backing vocals nearly 18 months ago for some of the tracks. He's doing more backing vocals (for different tracks) now. While the album sessions began three years ago, some of the tracks were written a few years earlier than that just as several tracks hadn't been written until this year or last year. I don't know if any earlier material (STEEL WHEELS through LICKS) was reworked. I know Don Was suggested it, but I don't know that Mick and Keith agreed.

I had posted this same information last year that I heard tracks were in different stages and that radically different versions of some songs existed. It has been experimental with other hands involved, not just Don. I don't know for certain what that means as far as final production credits which is why I asked Soldatti who said it was "very likely" Jordan, Clifford, and Falk would have production credits. I took that as a sign that what I heard was reliable and that some tracks were finished (mixed, ready to go) as early as 2016 and other tracks were created last year and this year.

It's been a strange process. Carl Falk has come and gone in 2017 and 2018. If Mick isn't stockpiling tracks for a solo album, he's been seeing what can be crafted with different sounds and approaches for the Stones. Ronnie and Charlie do not have to be present for every session though Ronnie did do an overdub session earler this year regardless of what he says to the media. Keyon Harrold laid down trumpet a couple years ago for a track that has been finished for a very long time now while others weren't even conceived.

Charlie and Ronnie attend the business meetings. They know far more than what they tell the media. Even Don Was and Chuck and Darryl know more than what they tell. They say what they can. Less is more. The general public doesn't obsess over hitting the wall.

As for not mentioning the album while announcing the tour, I take that as a sign that NO FILTER is no longer the album name. A nice idea a couple years ago.

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Rocky Dijon
Bernard's in the studio. They're not stuck where they were two years ago. This album wasn't done the way most Stones albums are where all the bottoms were finished, then vocals were added, and then mixing and overdubbing is yet to come to finish the entire project.

Bernard put down backing vocals nearly 18 months ago for some of the tracks. He's doing more backing vocals (for different tracks) now. While the album sessions began three years ago, some of the tracks were written a few years earlier than that just as several tracks hadn't been written until this year or last year. I don't know if any earlier material (STEEL WHEELS through LICKS) was reworked. I know Don Was suggested it, but I don't know that Mick and Keith agreed.

I had posted this same information last year that I heard tracks were in different stages and that radically different versions of some songs existed. It has been experimental with other hands involved, not just Don. I don't know for certain what that means as far as final production credits which is why I asked Soldatti who said it was "very likely" Jordan, Clifford, and Falk would have production credits. I took that as a sign that what I heard was reliable and that some tracks were finished (mixed, ready to go) as early as 2016 and other tracks were created last year and this year.

It's been a strange process. Carl Falk has come and gone in 2017 and 2018. If Mick isn't stockpiling tracks for a solo album, he's been seeing what can be crafted with different sounds and approaches for the Stones. Ronnie and Charlie do not have to be present for every session though Ronnie did do an overdub session earler this year regardless of what he says to the media. Keyon Harrold laid down trumpet a couple years ago for a track that has been finished for a very long time now while others weren't even conceived.

Charlie and Ronnie attend the business meetings. They know far more than what they tell the media. Even Don Was and Chuck and Darryl know more than what they tell. They say what they can. Less is more. The general public doesn't obsess over hitting the wall.

As for not mentioning the album while announcing the tour, I take that as a sign that NO FILTER is no longer the album name. A nice idea a couple years ago.

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Rocky ... this information here in this post of yours is fantastic. You have given us more information about this album in a single post than we have had in 222 bloody pages (<and that is basically true). We thank you so much.

*You mention that it has been a 'strange process' .. I agree. As well ... as per you have described .. they have never have done/recorded an album like this before. I have a feeling/hunch this going to sound very 'fresh' .. in a good way. Seems as though they truly took their time in exploring options with this over the years.

Think about it .. this albums production and recording will have spanned three years .. and some change .. the writing dates back at least five ... Dayuum!


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It seems they will do another studio effort this year. Aiming for a spring release, before the North America tour 2019.

Word on Universal is about an early single release, maybe late January or February, then 2 more singles in April/May and the full album in late May or early June.

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Time for a George licks update.....><

There's nothing new to update more than the same story for last 2 and half years:

- the band is working on it in little bits, 3-5 days every few months.

- the band is not working together on it, they did a couple of sessions in 2015 and 2017 but mostly is Mick and Keith, and not together most of the time.

- Universal expect the new album done around March 2019 and they want to release it during the next US tour in June/July 2019 with a ticket bundle.

- The recording of this album mirrors Keith's latest solo album timeline, almost 4 years since the first session in 2011 to the final album released.

Lots of good quotes from Keith and Steve Jordan about Crosseyed Heart back on 2015, we can all expect the same answers next year about the new Stones album and the recording process.
[www.timeisonourside.com]

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There was also talk of ticket/album bundles being sold for the upcoming tour.
Even though they could still do it I suppose, it might look odd when there's no absolute release date in sight. "Buy a ticket and get the new album...whenever it's finished".
Another thought is, they might surprise us with a new single the day tickets go on sale, and the single could be included as part of a "bundle" as a free download.
If some songs are absolutely finished and ready to go as has been claimed, then might be a good time to get something out there!

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That gives me an idea! Maybe it's not the wall of sound but right the opposite?
OK, here we go: Breaking news! Stones to release experimental album: The Sound of Silence ...

(And if you heard it here first, there's something wrong with your ears ... )