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jlowe
At least Mick and Keith appear to have a better personal and working relationship together than Roger Waters and David Gilmour.
Well, just about, anyway.
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Tate
Well, that's generally why M+K do their solo albums, right? When they want to be their own boss, they do their own album. I play in a bunch of bands, and one of them is called 'The Moaning Sallys' (see "us" on Spotify or iTunes!! Shameless plug!!), but the Moaning Sallys is really just me. I love not having to run stuff by other band members. I AM the other band members, so if the bass line sucks, I don't have to sheepishly avoid offending anybody, I just redo it. I think deep down inside, we've all got our 'own album to do.' And then after it's always nice to get back with other musicians and work on other projects, etc.
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Rocky Dijon
The Wall is symbolic of the mental block fans have in accepting these are men in their seventies. They want to contrast Mick's present creative drive with GODDESS IN THE DOORWAY, an album written and recorded when Mick was in his fifties. Think about that for a moment. Think of someone in their fifties vs. someone who is 75. Try and let that sink in. It does matter. They are old. It doesn't matter how great of shape they're in and that they're able to perform a concert 14 nights out of 365. They are old men. Their priorities are different. Their identity isn't as a band, it's as four individuals with interests and families of their own. They still work together and are rewarded amazingly for doing so, but their priorities aren't what fans would want it to be and they can't be held to the standard they were capable of in their fifties, forties, or thirties. We had someone contrasting their productivity in the 1980s to now just recently. Think how insane that is. In January 1980, Mick and Keith were 36 years old. Someone wants to compare what people could do between 36 and 46 years of age with the same people at 75. There are times I think the place is a madhouse.
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Bashlets
It’s quite simple in my book. Mick is great and his solo albums are just too polished for stones diehards who view Exile as the rock n roll bible. Keith is great but his solo albums may not be polished enough for general listeners. When the two put their best foot forward and have a unified vision or compromise is when the true stones magic appears in my book. Lots of great songs post 1981 but inconsistent products as a whole.
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keithsman
I wish Don Was had been a bit more specific about the wall they hit, its been so slow since he mentioned or hinted at Mick hitting a wall. Ok we got B&L as a result of the wall, but i'm getting the impression there is a real problem with Mick coming up with the goods, what if he really can't create at that level anymore, or that he can create like GGAG and England Lost, but he just can't make Stones songs anymore, its possible and understandable at his age.
I just don't think its his bag these days.
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keithsman
So while you agree with me you think i'm mad at the same time
I think if you are true to yourself age is just a number, but if you are going to try to fit in with trends you will get called out. Just saying.
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keithsman
I wish Don Was had been a bit more specific about the wall they hit, its been so slow since he mentioned or hinted at Mick hitting a wall. Ok we got B&L as a result of the wall, but i'm getting the impression there is a real problem with Mick coming up with the goods, what if he really can't create at that level anymore, or that he can create like GGAG and England Lost, but he just can't make Stones songs anymore, its possible and understandable at his age.
I just don't think its his bag these days.
Two posters have been addressed as Riffie, you, Keithman, and stone4ever. Possibly I make take it that both usernames represent the same person.
In the quote you refer rather unprecisely to Don Was giving out that a wall was hit by either them or by Mick only.
It is interesting then that on page 3 of an old thread
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eventually in a PS on the 26th of December, 2017 at 02:05 the username stone4ever admitted
"PS. Sorry Witness, you are correct, Don Was said they hit a wall, not specifically Mick hit a wall. I stand corrected thankyou.
I suppose we can only assume Mick and Keith hit a wall but that still means Mick hit a wall."
Why then go on using Don Was as a source for your own assumption that Mick hit a wall?
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Bashlets
It’s quite simple in my book. Mick is great and his solo albums are just too polished for stones diehards who view Exile as the rock n roll bible. Keith is great but his solo albums may not be polished enough for general listeners. When the two put their best foot forward and have a unified vision or compromise is when the true stones magic appears in my book. Lots of great songs post 1981 but inconsistent products as a whole.
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Bashlets
Love Crosseyed Heart and I stick by my assessment. Best overall Stones related product since 1981 but it’s not the stones. It’s KEEF, just like I really like wandering spirit but it’s not the stones- it’s mick
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keithsman
I wish Don Was had been a bit more specific about the wall they hit, its been so slow since he mentioned or hinted at Mick hitting a wall. Ok we got B&L as a result of the wall, but i'm getting the impression there is a real problem with Mick coming up with the goods, what if he really can't create at that level anymore, or that he can create like GGAG and England Lost, but he just can't make Stones songs anymore, its possible and understandable at his age.
I just don't think its his bag these days.
Two posters have been addressed as Riffie, you, Keithman, and stone4ever. Possibly I make take it that both usernames represent the same person.
In the quote you refer rather unprecisely to Don Was giving out that a wall was hit by either them or by Mick only.
It is interesting then that on page 3 of an old thread
[iorr.org]
eventually in a PS on the 26th of December, 2017 at 02:05 the username stone4ever admitted
"PS. Sorry Witness, you are correct, Don Was said they hit a wall, not specifically Mick hit a wall. I stand corrected thankyou.
I suppose we can only assume Mick and Keith hit a wall but that still means Mick hit a wall."
Why then go on using Don Was as a source for your own assumption that Mick hit a wall?
Stone4ever is a hideous sounding user name Riffy is my nick name, it's not a user name. Keithsman will do just fine thanks.
It's like i said earlier today Witness, the wall might have been Keith, i don't think Keith wants to go down a different road musically this late in the day, Mick likes to stay more current and has one eye on the charts and might be a bit tired of Stones type music, who knows, but i'm betting Mick came at Keith with GGAG & England Lost and a few other demos and Keith wasn't buying any of it.
Its speculation on my part, but that is what we do here most the time on this particular thread, we speculate things like where the hell is that album, the good thing is i get a feeling now that it might surprise us, its going to be terrible or fantastic hehe.
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Witness
It seems that Mick recently has been motivated anew to make a Rolling Stones album. Then what has prevented him, appears to have been vetoes by Keith. I find thoughts that he would be intimidated by CROSSEYED HEART as strange. The exception to that album by some rekord buyers may have increased Keith's stubbornness further though.
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harlem shuffle
Well Keithsmen i think you hit the wall to often.To many bumps
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keithsman
I don't know about that, maybe Keith wanted more collaboration from Mick on this album, perhaps Keith didn't want Mick coming in with almost finished demos, you can tell by Keith's "IVE GOT THREE KILLER RIFFS" attitude that Keith might have shunned Micks pre worked efforts prior to making the album.
It's my guess that Keith wanted this album to be more Mick and Keith woven songs as opposed to Micks songs with Keith playing on them and visa versa.