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It was a massive wall that was hard as hell, and either it knocked some sense into them, or it knocked them out cold. Time will tell when they get her done and we can listen to the damn thing, but after 14 years without an album of originals, a bit of skepticism should be expected! Yes that darn Wall story was a while ago, but really not much progress happened after it as they rode the success of B&L and did the No Filter tour pt. 1 and 2. It's only been very recently that some truly worthy snippets from insiders have given this thing a possibility of finally being completed, but even then nobody really knows what the heck's been going on. Only Mick and Keith know for sure, while everyone else (including Don Was and Chuck) is chomping at the bit and hanging by a thread. Miracles happen, and when the new Stones album is officially announced, I'll be able to have some peace of mind. And even if it sucks, at least it will be nice to know that they actually finished it. Looking forward to the tour, and if an album happens, icing on the cake.

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Hairball
It was a massive wall that was hard as hell, and either it knocked some sense into them, or it knocked them out cold. Time will tell when they get her done and we can listen to the damn thing, but after 14 years without an album of originals, a bit of skepticism should be expected! Yes that darn Wall story was a while ago, but really not much progress happened after it as they rode the success of B&L and did the No Filter tour pt. 1 and 2. It's only been very recently that some truly worthy snippets from insiders have given this thing a possibility of finally being completed, but even then nobody really knows what the heck's been going on. Only Mick and Keith know for sure, while everyone else (including Don Was and Chuck) is chomping at the bit and hanging by a thread. Miracles happen, and when the new Stones album is officially announced, I'll be able to have some peace of mind. And even if it sucks, at least it will be nice to know that they actually finished it. Looking forward to the tour, and if an album happens, icing on the cake.

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Lol .. well how hard that wall is or (was) is a speculative thing. We do know they kept doing new material right after that three-day blues stretch .. It isn't like they hit that wall and all progress stopped ..

As well Mick noted / added that the new material was sounding 'really good' well afterward. Don Was noted the energy in the sessions since had been 'F**G Great' ..

I truly think the wall thing was totally over-blown. I do think they drug their heels on this thing though. I do not think it was due to lack of creativity but of work ethic on the album and lack of focus on it.


Here is to hoping that miracle happens. If all goes well during this month .. I really think the new album is all but a reality. Universal & The Stones are expecting it to happen.

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I suppose it depends on definition of ballad but I'd say Memory Motel and No Spare Parts are right up there as some of Mick's finer efforts as well.

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Hairball
It was a massive wall that was hard as hell, and either it knocked some sense into them, or it knocked them out cold. Time will tell when they get her done and we can listen to the damn thing, but after 14 years without an album of originals, a bit of skepticism should be expected! Yes that darn Wall story was a while ago, but really not much progress happened after it as they rode the success of B&L and did the No Filter tour pt. 1 and 2. It's only been very recently that some truly worthy snippets from insiders have given this thing a possibility of finally being completed, but even then nobody really knows what the heck's been going on. Only Mick and Keith know for sure, while everyone else (including Don Was and Chuck) is chomping at the bit and hanging by a thread. Miracles happen, and when the new Stones album is officially announced, I'll be able to have some peace of mind. And even if it sucks, at least it will be nice to know that they actually finished it. Looking forward to the tour, and if an album happens, icing on the cake.

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Lol .. well how hard that wall is or (was) is a speculative thing. We do know they kept doing new material right after that three-day blues stretch .. It isn't like they hit that wall and all progress stopped ..

As well Mick noted / added that the new material was sounding 'really good' well afterward. Don Was noted the energy in the sessions since had been 'F**G Great' ..

I truly think the wall thing was totally over-blown. I do think they drug their heels on this thing though. I do not think it was due to lack of creativity but of work ethic on the album and lack of focus on it.


Here is to hoping that miracle happens. If all goes well during this month .. I really think the new album is all but a reality. Universal & The Stones are expecting it to happen.

That darn wall...



Cheers Ian, it's just a matter of time now!

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All Stones albums are awesome (even ABB and DW) for the first weeks. This will be a treat no matter how good it is (because it's always good stuff on Stones-records).

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I think Don Was said that they hit a wall, Riffie, not Mick in particular

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Rocky Dijon
The Wall is symbolic of the mental block fans have in accepting these are men in their seventies. They want to contrast Mick's present creative drive with GODDESS IN THE DOORWAY, an album written and recorded when Mick was in his fifties. Think about that for a moment. Think of someone in their fifties vs. someone who is 75. Try and let that sink in. It does matter. They are old. It doesn't matter how great of shape they're in and that they're able to perform a concert 14 nights out of 365. They are old men. Their priorities are different. Their identity isn't as a band, it's as four individuals with interests and families of their own. They still work together and are rewarded amazingly for doing so, but their priorities aren't what fans would want it to be and they can't be held to the standard they were capable of in their fifties, forties, or thirties. We had someone contrasting their productivity in the 1980s to now just recently. Think how insane that is. In January 1980, Mick and Keith were 36 years old. Someone wants to compare what people could do between 36 and 46 years of age with the same people at 75. There are times I think the place is a madhouse.

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And MisterDDD if you have nothing to say or add can you please stop trolling this thread.

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Rocky Dijon
The Wall is symbolic of the mental block fans have in accepting these are men in their seventies. They want to contrast Mick's present creative drive with GODDESS IN THE DOORWAY, an album written and recorded when Mick was in his fifties. Think about that for a moment. Think of someone in their fifties vs. someone who is 75. Try and let that sink in. It does matter. They are old. It doesn't matter how great of shape they're in and that they're able to perform a concert 14 nights out of 365. They are old men. Their priorities are different. Their identity isn't as a band, it's as four individuals with interests and families of their own. They still work together and are rewarded amazingly for doing so, but their priorities aren't what fans would want it to be and they can't be held to the standard they were capable of in their fifties, forties, or thirties. We had someone contrasting their productivity in the 1980s to now just recently. Think how insane that is. In January 1980, Mick and Keith were 36 years old. Someone wants to compare what people could do between 36 and 46 years of age with the same people at 75. There are times I think the place is a madhouse.

Agreed, to a degree.
There are of course exceptions, Willie Nelson and the late Johnny Cash and Leonard Cohen come to mind. And of course Macca is no slouch either. These are the ones that spring to mind, but must be many others (especially in the blues genre).
So Age doesn't have to be a barrier.

I still don't see why if as you say (and I agree) they operate as 'individuals' rather than as a band, they can't operate like a latter day Beatles. Think of The White album...there are plenty of Paulie tracks but which John hated. But he was professional enough AND (surprisingly) able to put his ego aside. Of course part of the strength of their albums was the diversity of style. Are Stones fans just more conservative?

And if they can't accomodate the above why can't Mick and Keith just include a few more covers ...not as fillers..but just to broaden out the track list.(And of course get the album completed!) Eric Clapton, is not a prolific composer so has always included a batch of covers (standards or 'new'compositions). His fans clearly don't mind.

Rant over.

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Rocky Dijon
The Wall is symbolic of the mental block fans have in accepting these are men in their seventies. They want to contrast Mick's present creative drive with GODDESS IN THE DOORWAY, an album written and recorded when Mick was in his fifties. Think about that for a moment. Think of someone in their fifties vs. someone who is 75. Try and let that sink in. It does matter. They are old. It doesn't matter how great of shape they're in and that they're able to perform a concert 14 nights out of 365. They are old men. Their priorities are different. Their identity isn't as a band, it's as four individuals with interests and families of their own. They still work together and are rewarded amazingly for doing so, but their priorities aren't what fans would want it to be and they can't be held to the standard they were capable of in their fifties, forties, or thirties. We had someone contrasting their productivity in the 1980s to now just recently. Think how insane that is. In January 1980, Mick and Keith were 36 years old. Someone wants to compare what people could do between 36 and 46 years of age with the same people at 75. There are times I think the place is a madhouse.

Agreed, to a degree.
There are of course exceptions, Willie Nelson and the late Johnny Cash and Leonard Cohen come to mind. And of course Macca is no slouch either. These are the ones that spring to mind, but must be many others (especially in the blues genre).
So Age doesn't have to be a barrier.

I still don't see why if as you say (and I agree) they operate as 'individuals' rather than as a band, they can't operate like a latter day Beatles. Think of The White album...there are plenty of Paulie tracks but which John hated. But he was professional enough AND (surprisingly) able to put his ego aside. Of course part of the strength of their albums was the diversity of style. Are Stones fans just more conservative?

And if they can't accomodate the above why can't Mick and Keith just include a few more covers ...not as fillers..but just to broaden out the track list.(And of course get the album completed!) Eric Clapton, is not a prolific composer so has always included a batch of covers (standards or 'new'compositions). His fans clearly don't mind.

Rant over.

None of those are bands, where more people would have to agree on decisions, the musical direction etc..

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Rocky Dijon
The Wall is symbolic of the mental block fans have in accepting these are men in their seventies. They want to contrast Mick's present creative drive with GODDESS IN THE DOORWAY, an album written and recorded when Mick was in his fifties. Think about that for a moment. Think of someone in their fifties vs. someone who is 75. Try and let that sink in. It does matter. They are old. It doesn't matter how great of shape they're in and that they're able to perform a concert 14 nights out of 365. They are old men. Their priorities are different. Their identity isn't as a band, it's as four individuals with interests and families of their own. They still work together and are rewarded amazingly for doing so, but their priorities aren't what fans would want it to be and they can't be held to the standard they were capable of in their fifties, forties, or thirties. We had someone contrasting their productivity in the 1980s to now just recently. Think how insane that is. In January 1980, Mick and Keith were 36 years old. Someone wants to compare what people could do between 36 and 46 years of age with the same people at 75. There are times I think the place is a madhouse.

Agreed, to a degree.
There are of course exceptions, Willie Nelson and the late Johnny Cash and Leonard Cohen come to mind. And of course Macca is no slouch either. These are the ones that spring to mind, but must be many others (especially in the blues genre).
So Age doesn't have to be a barrier.

I still don't see why if as you say (and I agree) they operate as 'individuals' rather than as a band, they can't operate like a latter day Beatles. Think of The White album...there are plenty of Paulie tracks but which John hated. But he was professional enough AND (surprisingly) able to put his ego aside. Of course part of the strength of their albums was the diversity of style. Are Stones fans just more conservative?

And if they can't accomodate the above why can't Mick and Keith just include a few more covers ...not as fillers..but just to broaden out the track list.(And of course get the album completed!) Eric Clapton, is not a prolific composer so has always included a batch of covers (standards or 'new'compositions). His fans clearly don't mind.

Rant over.

None of those are bands, where more people would have to agree on decisions, the musical direction etc..

U2.
Granted its Bono who does the lyrics these days, but that part doesn't seem to be the problem (with The Stones). U2 aren't as prolific as when they started out, but they can still deliver. And plenty of people (I'm not one of them) are happy enough to buy their product.

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Folks .. this all speculation as to who wrote what .. the friggin album is not even done yet Lol. We do not know what they wrote together from scratch .. maybe lots.. maybe not so much? What we DO know is they got together a few times.. about three that we know of ...to work and write ... We wont know what happened until well after. Everything eles is speculation.

As far as deadlines go .. they have had deadlines in the past and it has forced them to get it done.. but some theorized it may ..or could of hurt the product.

They wanted to take their time with this one without deadlines .. which was great
.. I liked that idea .. My gripe is they didn't work on it enough .. while doing everything under the sun in between.

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I wish Don Was had been a bit more specific about the wall they hit, its been so slow since he mentioned or hinted at Mick hitting a wall.

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Ok we got B&L as a result of the wall, but i'm getting the impression there is a real problem with Mick coming up with the goods, what if he really can't create at that level anymore, ...

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Rocky Dijon
The Wall is symbolic of the mental block fans have in accepting these are men in their seventies. They want to contrast Mick's present creative drive with GODDESS IN THE DOORWAY, an album written and recorded when Mick was in his fifties. Think about that for a moment. Think of someone in their fifties vs. someone who is 75. Try and let that sink in. It does matter. They are old. It doesn't matter how great of shape they're in and that they're able to perform a concert 14 nights out of 365. They are old men. Their priorities are different. Their identity isn't as a band, it's as four individuals with interests and families of their own. They still work together and are rewarded amazingly for doing so, but their priorities aren't what fans would want it to be and they can't be held to the standard they were capable of in their fifties, forties, or thirties. We had someone contrasting their productivity in the 1980s to now just recently. Think how insane that is. In January 1980, Mick and Keith were 36 years old. Someone wants to compare what people could do between 36 and 46 years of age with the same people at 75. There are times I think the place is a madhouse.

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Rocky Dijon
The Wall is symbolic of the mental block fans have in accepting these are men in their seventies. They want to contrast Mick's present creative drive with GODDESS IN THE DOORWAY, an album written and recorded when Mick was in his fifties. Think about that for a moment. Think of someone in their fifties vs. someone who is 75. Try and let that sink in. It does matter. They are old. It doesn't matter how great of shape they're in and that they're able to perform a concert 14 nights out of 365. They are old men. Their priorities are different. Their identity isn't as a band, it's as four individuals with interests and families of their own. They still work together and are rewarded amazingly for doing so, but their priorities aren't what fans would want it to be and they can't be held to the standard they were capable of in their fifties, forties, or thirties. We had someone contrasting their productivity in the 1980s to now just recently. Think how insane that is. In January 1980, Mick and Keith were 36 years old. Someone wants to compare what people could do between 36 and 46 years of age with the same people at 75. There are times I think the place is a madhouse.

Agreed, to a degree.
There are of course exceptions, Willie Nelson and the late Johnny Cash and Leonard Cohen come to mind. And of course Macca is no slouch either. These are the ones that spring to mind, but must be many others (especially in the blues genre).
So Age doesn't have to be a barrier.

I still don't see why if as you say (and I agree) they operate as 'individuals' rather than as a band, they can't operate like a latter day Beatles. Think of The White album...there are plenty of Paulie tracks but which John hated. But he was professional enough AND (surprisingly) able to put his ego aside. Of course part of the strength of their albums was the diversity of style. Are Stones fans just more conservative?

And if they can't accomodate the above why can't Mick and Keith just include a few more covers ...not as fillers..but just to broaden out the track list.(And of course get the album completed!) Eric Clapton, is not a prolific composer so has always included a batch of covers (standards or 'new'compositions). His fans clearly don't mind.

Rant over.

None of those are bands, where more people would have to agree on decisions, the musical direction etc..

U2.
Granted its Bono who does the lyrics these days, but that part doesn't seem to be the problem (with The Stones). U2 aren't as prolific as when they started out, but they can still deliver. And plenty of people (I'm not one of them) are happy enough to buy their product.

They have sort of reach VL-time, compared to the Stones. Let's see where they are in 24 years..

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The Wall is symbolic of the mental block fans have in accepting these are men in their seventies. They want to contrast Mick's present creative drive with GODDESS IN THE DOORWAY, an album written and recorded when Mick was in his fifties. Think about that for a moment. Think of someone in their fifties vs. someone who is 75. Try and let that sink in. It does matter. They are old. It doesn't matter how great of shape they're in and that they're able to perform a concert 14 nights out of 365. They are old men. Their priorities are different. Their identity isn't as a band, it's as four individuals with interests and families of their own. They still work together and are rewarded amazingly for doing so, but their priorities aren't what fans would want it to be and they can't be held to the standard they were capable of in their fifties, forties, or thirties. We had someone contrasting their productivity in the 1980s to now just recently. Think how insane that is. In January 1980, Mick and Keith were 36 years old. Someone wants to compare what people could do between 36 and 46 years of age with the same people at 75. There are times I think the place is a madhouse.

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if they dont title it "Hit the wall" I'll be disappointed big time

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if they dont title it "Hit the wall" I'll be disappointed big time[/q

Some day we all might thank the "wall" for being there, because had they not hit it, they might have rushed out an album just for the sake of doing so. Whether or not "hitting the wall" was just for one song or more doesn't matter - the fact is they stepped back and ultimately changed their course of direction. But as luck would have it, they stopped in their tracks and recorded/released B&L, and from that point onwards they've carefully (and very slowly) worked on the task at hand. I've said in the past that an extra year or two is nothing in the big picture, and if the results are that much better than good news for everyone - the band and fans alike.

Its gonna be a bham wham in the face of the world and show , once more, the Stones are the Best.
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if they dont title it "Hit the wall" I'll be disappointed big time

Some day we all might thank the "wall" for being there, because had they not hit it, they might have rushed out an album just for the sake of doing so. Whether or not "hitting the wall" was just for one song or more doesn't matter - the fact is they stepped back and ultimately changed their course of direction. But as luck would have it, they stopped in their tracks and recorded/released B&L, and from that point onwards they've carefully (and very slowly) worked on the task at hand. I've said in the past that an extra year or two is nothing in the big picture, and if the results are that much better than good news for everyone - the band and fans alike.

Its gonna be a bham wham in the face of the world and show , once more, the Stones are the Best.
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Riffie, don't you think this sounds promising? Maybe Mick has acknowledged that back to basics works. Doesn't sound like he's hit a wall - in fact it sounds great!

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