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Universal will release the album when I say they shall. The Stones will record the rest of it as soon as I call them to get over here.
It's just that simple folks -
You da man, Ian!
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Thanks Mr. Doitywoik! I will arrange that you and Hairball get free passes to some of the sessions!
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Universal will release the album when I say they shall. The Stones will record the rest of it as soon as I call them to get over here.
It's just that simple folks -
You da man, Ian!
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Thanks Mr. Doitywoik! I will arrange that you and Hairball get free passes to some of the sessions!
Thanks for clarifying the "pissy Chuck" story above, and the fact that Keith was the peacemaker.
And not that anything's wrong with Chuck's playing on B&L, in fact it fits right in, but wondering how it might have sounded in it's original form?
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Thanks Mr. Doitywoik! I will arrange that you and Hairball get free passes to some of the sessions!
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So didn’t Chuck Leavell with his whining destroy the authenticity of blue and lonesome? They were hyping it as recorded live with no overdubs and some songs even done in one take yet this a-hole acts like a little child and they let him put overdubbed keyboards on the thing?
He’s an average keyboard player at best yet the Stonrs are catering to him,why?
If you ever wonder why the band will never be what they once were this is one of the reasons-old and soft doesn’t make good rock and roll,
The real Stones would,ve bounced his ass so fast for even opening his yap ..it boggles the mind what goes on with them sometimes these days.
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...lem i'd take a pass/chill man....I can't imagine that either MJ or KR is all that invested in placating an auxiliary band member... ....that would indicate they didn't care about the product and I think they do.....more than they need to...probably....the record speaks for itself.
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...lem i'd take a pass/chill man....I can't imagine that either MJ or KR is all that invested in placating an auxiliary band member... ....that would indicate they didn't care about the product and I think they do.....more than they need to...probably....the record speaks for itself.
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...lem i'd take a pass/chill man....I can't imagine that either MJ or KR is all that invested in placating an auxiliary band member... ....that would indicate they didn't care about the product and I think they do.....more than they need to...probably....the record speaks for itself.
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Chuck is not an 'auxiliary' musician Lol. He's not just some guy they know from playing on stage with them on tour. He's fairly good friends with each of The Stones. He has Mick Jaggers phone number and vice-versa yo .. He knows their families etc. As well.. he helps pick the set-list. He also lends some of his musical insight to their live shows. Chuck is 'in' as they say with them.. like it or not.
Chuck is also better than simply being average as someone else mentioned here (?). He's pretty versatile and he has a decent intuition for rootsy music. I'm not saying Matt Clifford is second to Chuck .. I'm not saying Ian Mglagan or Billy Preston is second to Chuck. I'm simply saying he's one of the best keyboard players in the world.. (top 50) and .....he plays with the Rolling Stones.
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diverseharmonicsusing that logic---Karl Denson is a world-class player because he plays with the Stones?!....ummmm no.Quote
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...lem i'd take a pass/chill man....I can't imagine that either MJ or KR is all that invested in placating an auxiliary band member... ....that would indicate they didn't care about the product and I think they do.....more than they need to...probably....the record speaks for itself.
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Chuck is not an 'auxiliary' musician Lol. He's not just some guy they know from playing on stage with them on tour. He's fairly good friends with each of The Stones. He has Mick Jaggers phone number and vice-versa yo .. He knows their families etc. As well.. he helps pick the set-list. He also lends some of his musical insight to their live shows. Chuck is 'in' as they say with them.. like it or not.
Chuck is also better than simply being average as someone else mentioned here (?). He's pretty versatile and he has a decent intuition for rootsy music. I'm not saying Matt Clifford is second to Chuck .. I'm not saying Ian Mglagan or Billy Preston is second to Chuck. I'm simply saying he's one of the best keyboard players in the world.. (top 50) and .....he plays with the Rolling Stones.
yes it is debateable..world class?!...well..he's no slouch but...but I never said he wasn't good...what I mean is-he has too much power in the band...and over them as well...The Stones are in danger of becoming sidemen in their own group...sidemen in a band of sidemen.Quote
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diverseharmonicsusing that logic---Karl Denson is a world-class player because he plays with the Stones?!....ummmm no.Quote
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...lem i'd take a pass/chill man....I can't imagine that either MJ or KR is all that invested in placating an auxiliary band member... ....that would indicate they didn't care about the product and I think they do.....more than they need to...probably....the record speaks for itself.
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Chuck is not an 'auxiliary' musician Lol. He's not just some guy they know from playing on stage with them on tour. He's fairly good friends with each of The Stones. He has Mick Jaggers phone number and vice-versa yo .. He knows their families etc. As well.. he helps pick the set-list. He also lends some of his musical insight to their live shows. Chuck is 'in' as they say with them.. like it or not.
Chuck is also better than simply being average as someone else mentioned here (?). He's pretty versatile and he has a decent intuition for rootsy music. I'm not saying Matt Clifford is second to Chuck .. I'm not saying Ian Mglagan or Billy Preston is second to Chuck. I'm simply saying he's one of the best keyboard players in the world.. (top 50) and .....he plays with the Rolling Stones.
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So Chuck Leavell isn't a world class musician then...? Is that where we are .. Is that what it has come to? You might not care for Chuck .. and you may not like the fact that The Stones rely on him more than their other Keyboard players (I dislike that situation as well) .. BUT mate .. take it from me. Chuck Leavell is 'world class' - Lol (he has been for decades).
I like the fact that he doesn't sound technically perfect. He has a little slop to his play. Adds some Authenticity. I like that fact. Sure.. he can't boogie like Stu .. but Chuck Leavell is indeed a world classs keyboard player, my friend (IMO that's not even debatable).
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he has too much power in the band...and over them as well...The Stones are in danger of becoming sidemen in their own group...sidemen in a band of sidemen.
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diverseharmonicsyes it is debateable..world class?!...well..he's no slouch but...but I never said he wasn't good...what I mean is-he has too much power in the band...and over them as well...The Stones are in danger of becoming sidemen in their own group...sidemen in a band of sidemen.Quote
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diverseharmonicsusing that logic---Karl Denson is a world-class player because he plays with the Stones?!....ummmm no.Quote
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...lem i'd take a pass/chill man....I can't imagine that either MJ or KR is all that invested in placating an auxiliary band member... ....that would indicate they didn't care about the product and I think they do.....more than they need to...probably....the record speaks for itself.
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Chuck is not an 'auxiliary' musician Lol. He's not just some guy they know from playing on stage with them on tour. He's fairly good friends with each of The Stones. He has Mick Jaggers phone number and vice-versa yo .. He knows their families etc. As well.. he helps pick the set-list. He also lends some of his musical insight to their live shows. Chuck is 'in' as they say with them.. like it or not.
Chuck is also better than simply being average as someone else mentioned here (?). He's pretty versatile and he has a decent intuition for rootsy music. I'm not saying Matt Clifford is second to Chuck .. I'm not saying Ian Mglagan or Billy Preston is second to Chuck. I'm simply saying he's one of the best keyboard players in the world.. (top 50) and .....he plays with the Rolling Stones.
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So Chuck Leavell isn't a world class musician then...? Is that where we are .. Is that what it has come to? You might not care for Chuck .. and you may not like the fact that The Stones rely on him more than their other Keyboard players (I dislike that situation as well) .. BUT mate .. take it from me. Chuck Leavell is 'world class' - Lol (he has been for decades).
I like the fact that he doesn't sound technically perfect. He has a little slop to his play. Adds some Authenticity. I like that fact. Sure.. he can't boogie like Stu .. but Chuck Leavell is indeed a world classs keyboard player, my friend (IMO that's not even debatable).
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...The Stones are in danger of becoming sidemen in their own group...sidemen in a band of sidemen.
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...The Stones are in danger of becoming sidemen in their own group...sidemen in a band of sidemen.
Mick becoming Chuck's sideman? Mick becoming anybody's sideman? No, I don't see that, not by a long chalk. Neither Keith. Maybe Ronnie and Charlie are sidemen of sorts - to Mick. Mick certainly would have liked to have Keith as his sideman too but it didn't quite work out, somehow ...
Nevertheless Chuck must be giving them something they didn't/don't find (or expect) in others, otherwise they wouldn't have him for 35(?) years now. I don't think it's about being the best keyboard player in the world (and, how to define that anyways?). Apparently he can "organize" them musically in rehearsals and on stage in a way that doesn't piss any of them off (which is possibly an art in itself). Whether he has much of a say when it comes to songwriting or choosing songs for the new album I don't know (possibly not really). I believe he got a writing co-credit for one song on my old Undercover LP, though (I remember an interview in which one of the Glimmers said that Chuck came up with a bridge in one of the songs), but to judge from the quality of the material on Undercover, they must have been quite desparate back then anyway ...
To my ears, Chuck works out quite OK when playing organ. On the piano, too much plink-plonk at times. He's very capable when it comes to butchering the intro of Brown Sugar ...
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I recall at Desert Trip intently watching Keith from the pit when he began to play(or attempting to play) the intro to Little T&A, and much to my dismay there was Chuck in the back corner buffering and enhancing the riff on keyboards. Like the wizard of Oz behind the curtain (or Blondie under the stage?), Chuck was pulling strings and making it happen - but he wasn't hidden or hiding it, he actually was grinning from ear to ear as if he wrote the riff himself! Had Chuck not been there to help, the riff might have sounded like a messed up opening riff to Start Me Up (or a number of other trainwrecks), so in that sense Chuck is needed to keep things on the right track so to speak. But when I hear the raunchy opening riff from the studio version (or earlier live versions) vs. the sanitized version from Desert Trip, it's a bit sad. Chucks version made it sound like a lounge tune with a lullaby vibe, or like a carnival ride with balloons and cotton candy vibe - it just didn't have the guts or balls. Wish he would back off in cases like this, but again without him might have sounded like a cacophony of out of tune strings from Keith. For better or worse, that's what the Stones have become, and as fans that's what we're stuck with.
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God I feed dumb. I clicked on this thread for the first time in a few months to see if there was news about a new album.
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...lem i'd take a pass/chill man....I can't imagine that either MJ or KR is all that invested in placating an auxiliary band member... ....that would indicate they didn't care about the product and I think they do.....more than they need to...probably....the record speaks for itself.
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Chuck is not an 'auxiliary' musician Lol. He's not just some guy they know from playing on stage with them on tour. He's fairly good friends with each of The Stones. He has Mick Jaggers phone number and vice-versa yo .. He knows their families etc. As well.. he helps pick the set-list. He also lends some of his musical insight to their live shows. Chuck is 'in' as they say with them.. like it or not.
I'm not here to get on a soapbox or simply here to stand up for Chuck Leavell .. but we do need to get some things straight folks. Chuck is better than simply being 'average' (?) as someone else mentioned here (?). He's pretty versatile and he has a decent intuition for rootsy music. I'm not saying Matt Clifford is second to Chuck .. I'm not saying Ian Mglagan or Billy Preston is second to Chuck. I'm simply saying he's one of the best keyboard players in the world.. (top 50) and .....he plays with the Rolling Stones (<there's reason for that).
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God I feed dumb. I clicked on this thread for the first time in a few months to see if there was news about a new album.
News is: no news. It's in the works in some way or other, or so say several involved parties. Chuck Leavell's most recent estimate is it might be ready by Spring 2019 but I wouldn't bet my ass. Also, Ian still has to check the material and approve of it.
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God I feed dumb. I clicked on this thread for the first time in a few months to see if there was news about a new album.
News is: no news. It's in the works in some way or other, or so say several involved parties. Chuck Leavell's most recent estimate is it might be ready by Spring 2019 but I wouldn't bet my ass. Also, Ian still has to check the material and approve of it.
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Right-o .. Don't forget to remind me ... (may slip my mind ..)
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Nice to see Mick's busy working out ideas for the new Stones album here, though I have a feeling Keith might veto it and Mick will have to release it as solo release.
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Look forward to a dance remix.
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Didn't the people at Universal (or whoever) indicate that some of the material needed some more work?
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Didn't the people at Universal (or whoever) indicate that some of the material needed some more work?
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Yes .. and Chuck Leavell said recently that it def needed more work but one is also def in the the works.
Although I'm certainly kidding about Mick working on the material while on tour ..
However he always writes .. possibly may conjure up a song idea or two to try out when they get in the studio again.
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Nice to see Mick's busy working out ideas for the new Stones album here, though I have a feeling Keith might veto it and Mick will have to release it as solo release.
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Didn't the people at Universal (or whoever) indicate that some of the material needed some more work?
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Yes .. and Chuck Leavell said recently that it def needed more work but one is also def in the the works.
Although I'm certainly kidding about Mick working on the material while on tour ..
However he always writes .. possibly may conjure up a song idea or two to try out when they get in the studio again.
I was actually referring to Mick's new demo, see the link posted by HairballQuote
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Nice to see Mick's busy working out ideas for the new Stones album here, though I have a feeling Keith might veto it and Mick will have to release it as solo release.
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