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kish_stoned
Bigger Bang is good album ,lot of good tracks and it was only mick and kith who made the record,Ronnie came in and added his part and CHARLIE was recoving from cancer too,so i think with all that going on its good album,they cannot go back to the 4 great albums they made others but some fans do not like them.ITS ONLY ROCK-ROLL ,JUST ENJOY.X
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Rocky Dijon
So what do we have then apart from our obsessing:
CROSSEYED HEART is released after ZIP CODE and the Stones re-enter the studio in December 2015 and cut the basic tracks for BLUE AND LONESOME in 3 days. The rest of the sessions are spent working on new material Mick has written since 2011, three riffs of Keith's, and reworking some outtakes going back 15 years or possibly longer.
The band, their label, and Don Was discuss how to release the material in 2016 following the OLE tour: a possible double album or releasing the blues album as a download exclusive. Eventually, the decision is made to release the blues album in December 2016 as a standalone release and finish the new material for separate release the following year.
Early in 2017, Ronnie's health scare delays the NO FILTER tour. Along with the bumper crop of newborns, the decision to separate the UK dates from the European tour and move them to 2018, rumored differences of opinions over which tracks or versions of tracks should be released, and possibly to test market a potential new direction with Mick's "solo single" featuring Ronnie, Charlie, and Matt Clifford; the decision is made by Spring to move the album to a 2018 release. Chuck Leavell notes in the Summer the plan is to finish the album by Spring 2018. Much discord in fandom follows with threats, tears, disbelief, and general hysteria.
Following the conclusion of NO FILTER European tour, in December 2017 Mick and Keith publicize their studio time in L.A. and N.Y., respectively with Mick noting they are both listening to multi-tracks and will make decisions on what they like or what needs work. Keith states the plan is to finish the album early next year. Both he and Mick continue to mention the planned UK tour for 2018 which has not been officially announced and can't be for insurance purposes.
Absolutely everything is in line with the schedule they decided early in the year and with what Chuck Leavell revealed in the summer. The only thing missing from the above is our exaggerated hysteria over their every coming and going. As for Hairball pointing out that Don Was' recent remark to Dean Goodman wasn't a public pronouncement, but a private off-the-record remark; just my own take, Dean is a respected journalist and Don is a veteran producer and label executive (as well as musician), no matter how comfortable Don is with Dean and how much he personally likes him, I would suspect he never forgets he's speaking with a journalist and fan who of course posted the remark here as soon as it was shared. Don's remarks about the album have been consistent for a year now. It serves a purpose surely, but I'm not looking for Don's remarks for direction. I'll stick to what appears to be the agreed upon schedule for much of the last year. It may not be the timetable we want as fans, but it was the one they decided upon.
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@Rocky - that sounds quite reasonable, except for Keith's latest comments to Mojo I posted on the previous page (no time planned in the studio for the Stones)...or he's completely out of the loop (wouldn't be the first time, see Taylor on PMS) but that would not be good news either. Best not to have a new Stones album than a Stones album with 6x (GGaG+EL) kind of aimless crap.
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Rocky Dijon
So what do we have then apart from our obsessing:
CROSSEYED HEART is released after ZIP CODE and the Stones re-enter the studio in December 2015 and cut the basic tracks for BLUE AND LONESOME in 3 days. The rest of the sessions are spent working on new material Mick has written since 2011, three riffs of Keith's, and reworking some outtakes going back 15 years or possibly longer.
The band, their label, and Don Was discuss how to release the material in 2016 following the OLE tour: a possible double album or releasing the blues album as a download exclusive. Eventually, the decision is made to release the blues album in December 2016 as a standalone release and finish the new material for separate release the following year.
Early in 2017, Ronnie's health scare delays the NO FILTER tour. Along with the bumper crop of newborns, the decision to separate the UK dates from the European tour and move them to 2018, rumored differences of opinions over which tracks or versions of tracks should be released, and possibly to test market a potential new direction with Mick's "solo single" featuring Ronnie, Charlie, and Matt Clifford; the decision is made by Spring to move the album to a 2018 release. Chuck Leavell notes in the Summer the plan is to finish the album by Spring 2018. Much discord in fandom follows with threats, tears, disbelief, and general hysteria.
Following the conclusion of NO FILTER European tour, in December 2017 Mick and Keith publicize their studio time in L.A. and N.Y., respectively with Mick noting they are both listening to multi-tracks and will make decisions on what they like or what needs work. Keith states the plan is to finish the album early next year. Both he and Mick continue to mention the planned UK tour for 2018 which has not been officially announced and can't be for insurance purposes.
Absolutely everything is in line with the schedule they decided early in the year and with what Chuck Leavell revealed in the summer. The only thing missing from the above is our exaggerated hysteria over their every coming and going. As for Hairball pointing out that Don Was' recent remark to Dean Goodman wasn't a public pronouncement, but a private off-the-record remark; just my own take, Dean is a respected journalist and Don is a veteran producer and label executive (as well as musician), no matter how comfortable Don is with Dean and how much he personally likes him, I would suspect he never forgets he's speaking with a journalist and fan who of course posted the remark here as soon as it was shared. Don's remarks about the album have been consistent for a year now. It serves a purpose surely, but I'm not looking for Don's remarks for direction. I'll stick to what appears to be the agreed upon schedule for much of the last year. It may not be the timetable we want as fans, but it was the one they decided upon.
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@Rocky - that sounds quite reasonable, except for Keith's latest comments to Mojo I posted on the previous page (no time planned in the studio for the Stones)...or he's completely out of the loop (wouldn't be the first time, see Taylor on PMS) but that would not be good news either. Best not to have a new Stones album than a Stones album with 6x (GGaG+EL) kind of aimless crap.
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Out of the Loop (lol? come on now). See the beginning of the article posted in the other post. The plan is to finish the album early in the year. The fact that he mentions Mick could / may call and want to do a session is every indication there are plans to do exactly that. .....They (The Stones or anyone in their camp) are not going to say ... .. ....
Im sure a studio is booked right now... Someone with their stature and the professionals they hire and who work with them would need time off from other affairs. It's a business with schedules. Our studio is booked (specific clients scheduled) anywhere from at the earliest six weeks to four months out ahead of time and the clients know it and are scheduled. The Stones would require the same ..if not much more. Guitar techs .. Producer ...Engineer .. and at the studios they go to .. they need a slot scheduled ahead of time... all parties do.
I am fairly certain they have a date booked already as per Keiths "We are going to finish it early in the year" comments.
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kish_stoned
Bigger Bang is good album ,lot of good tracks and it was only mick and kith who made the record,Ronnie came in and added his part and CHARLIE was recoving from cancer too
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Rocky Dijon
So what do we have then apart from our obsessing:
CROSSEYED HEART is released after ZIP CODE and the Stones re-enter the studio in December 2015 and cut the basic tracks for BLUE AND LONESOME in 3 days. The rest of the sessions are spent working on new material Mick has written since 2011, three riffs of Keith's, and reworking some outtakes going back 15 years or possibly longer.
The band, their label, and Don Was discuss how to release the material in 2016 following the OLE tour: a possible double album or releasing the blues album as a download exclusive. Eventually, the decision is made to release the blues album in December 2016 as a standalone release and finish the new material for separate release the following year.
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@Rocky - that sounds quite reasonable, except for Keith's latest comments to Mojo I posted on the previous page (no time planned in the studio for the Stones)...or he's completely out of the loop (wouldn't be the first time, see Taylor on PMS) but that would not be good news either. Best not to have a new Stones album than a Stones album with 6x (GGaG+EL) kind of aimless crap.
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Out of the Loop (lol? come on now). See the beginning of the article posted in the other post. The plan is to finish the album early in the year. The fact that he mentions Mick could / may call and want to do a session is every indication there are plans to do exactly that. .....They (The Stones or anyone in their camp) are not going to say ... .. ....
Im sure a studio is booked right now... Someone with their stature and the professionals they hire and who work with them would need time off from other affairs. It's a business with schedules. Our studio is booked (specific clients scheduled) anywhere from at the earliest six weeks to four months out ahead of time and the clients know it and are scheduled. The Stones would require the same ..if not much more. Guitar techs .. Producer ...Engineer .. and at the studios they go to .. they need a slot scheduled ahead of time... all parties do.
I am fairly certain they have a date booked already as per Keiths "We are going to finish it early in the year" comments.
So you get a call from Jane Rose or whoever saying that the Stones are going to be (wherever you are) and your facilities were recommended but you say, sorry, we're booked, next time give us 6 weeks notice.
Or, the management gets a call from Mick and says we need a studio next week, and gets told in return, the best we can do is six weeks from now.
The Rolling Stones?
I have no clue, you're in the business not me, but, the Rolling Stones? I think that they can always get what they want.
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Rocky Dijon
In answer to Ian, regarding insurance: I can't recall whom it was, but a wise IORRian posted here fairly recently that they don't put tickets on sale or even announce tours with the lead time of other artists (who sell tickets more than 6 months in advance of the dates or more) because of insurance reasons. If something were to happen in the interim to cancel or postpone the shows, they would be liable. Consequently, the announcement and sales come with a much shorter lead time. They've been talking about the UK tour since the European dates were confirmed in the Spring. There are rumors dates have been discussed for various venues. Nothing is contractual though until it is a much shorter window. It seemed logical to me.
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georgelicks
The band will try to get an album's worth of good songs to release, at least 15 songs are ready (except mixes) but not all the songs are that great according to some people, some GREAT songs in there but some UNEVEN stuff too, they're not so convinced so far.
13 years is a lot of time, the pressure must be very high to release something worth the wait, they don't want to release another Bigger Bang, 16-18 generic songs, they want something good this time.
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So... in other words, at the time, apparently they had enough new original material finished if they considered releasing it, even though they said otherwise later!
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@Rocky - that sounds quite reasonable, except for Keith's latest comments to Mojo I posted on the previous page (no time planned in the studio for the Stones)...or he's completely out of the loop (wouldn't be the first time, see Taylor on PMS) but that would not be good news either. Best not to have a new Stones album than a Stones album with 6x (GGaG+EL) kind of aimless crap.
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Out of the Loop (lol? come on now). See the beginning of the article posted in the other post. The plan is to finish the album early in the year. The fact that he mentions Mick could / may call and want to do a session is every indication there are plans to do exactly that. .....They (The Stones or anyone in their camp) are not going to say ... .. ....
Im sure a studio is booked right now... Someone with their stature and the professionals they hire and who work with them would need time off from other affairs. It's a business with schedules. Our studio is booked (specific clients scheduled) anywhere from at the earliest six weeks to four months out ahead of time and the clients know it and are scheduled. The Stones would require the same ..if not much more. Guitar techs .. Producer ...Engineer .. and at the studios they go to .. they need a slot scheduled ahead of time... all parties do.
I am fairly certain they have a date booked already as per Keiths "We are going to finish it early in the year" comments.
So you get a call from Jane Rose or whoever saying that the Stones are going to be (wherever you are) and your facilities were recommended but you say, sorry, we're booked, next time give us 6 weeks notice.
Or, the management gets a call from Mick and says we need a studio next week, and gets told in return, the best we can do is six weeks from now.
The Rolling Stones?
I have no clue, you're in the business not me, but, the Rolling Stones? I think that they can always get what they want.
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Rocky Dijon
In answer to Ian, regarding insurance: I can't recall whom it was, but a wise IORRian posted here fairly recently that they don't put tickets on sale or even announce tours with the lead time of other artists (who sell tickets more than 6 months in advance of the dates or more) because of insurance reasons. If something were to happen in the interim to cancel or postpone the shows, they would be liable. Consequently, the announcement and sales come with a much shorter lead time. They've been talking about the UK tour since the European dates were confirmed in the Spring. There are rumors dates have been discussed for various venues. Nothing is contractual though until it is a much shorter window. It seemed logical to me.
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The band will try to get an album's worth of good songs to release, at least 15 songs are ready (except mixes) but not all the songs are that great according to some people, some GREAT songs in there but some UNEVEN stuff too, they're not so convinced so far.
13 years is a lot of time, the pressure must be very high to release something worth the wait, they don't want to release another Bigger Bang, 16-18 generic songs, they want something good this time.
I always wondered if the band themselves realized it,if they do that’s a start.the first step to solving a problem is knowing there is one.
You see when discussing bigger bang it’s always-“everyone wants it shorter but they all want different songs left off”.it doesn’t matter,when you have all weak material you don’t release the equivalent of a double album.there was a time they knew this without thinking, which is why black and blue is 8 songs and not 18.
It might help to ignore the goofy guy on the keyboards and the dude with the fake dreads when they say “great, fantastic , you got it”and maybe ask yourself what the guy who said”you sound like bloody status quo” would’ve thought.
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corriecas
Guess it will be in the shops around Nov 23, 2018. They can focus on the UK Tour, Vault releases and have some time off..and sales will be good around that time.
and..it will give them nearly one year to do some proper recording etc.. for the new album.
i am sure it will be great !!
jeroen
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So... in other words, at the time, apparently they had enough new original material finished if they considered releasing it, even though they said otherwise later!
Having demos, even really polished demos, isn't the same thing as saying there's an album ready to release. They have the material written, whether they have enough good material to call it an album is the question. I am just speculating, but I suspect by the time Universal listened to the work-in-progress and agreed to the contract extension last year, they knew they could (if need be) have Don Was work to finish everything on his own with either remixed outtakes replacing any weak or unfinished tracks or by having other hands complete overdubs under his guidance. This has to be an album that could be released if mortality prevented the band from completing it of their own accord. Don has been talking about two CDs of "recent" (as in last 25 years or so) outtakes for a very long time.
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So... in other words, at the time, apparently they had enough new original material finished if they considered releasing it, even though they said otherwise later!
Having demos, even really polished demos, isn't the same thing as saying there's an album ready to release. They have the material written, whether they have enough good material to call it an album is the question. I am just speculating, but I suspect by the time Universal listened to the work-in-progress and agreed to the contract extension last year, they knew they could (if need be) have Don Was work to finish everything on his own with either remixed outtakes replacing any weak or unfinished tracks or by having other hands complete overdubs under his guidance. This has to be an album that could be released if mortality prevented the band from completing it of their own accord. Don has been talking about two CDs of "recent" (as in last 25 years or so) outtakes for a very long time.[[/u]/quote]
Really?! Anyway, they have great stuff to work on (since Undercover sessions).
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So... in other words, at the time, apparently they had enough new original material finished if they considered releasing it, even though they said otherwise later!
Having demos, even really polished demos, isn't the same thing as saying there's an album ready to release. They have the material written, whether they have enough good material to call it an album is the question. I am just speculating, but I suspect by the time Universal listened to the work-in-progress and agreed to the contract extension last year, they knew they could (if need be) have Don Was work to finish everything on his own with either remixed outtakes replacing any weak or unfinished tracks or by having other hands complete overdubs under his guidance. This has to be an album that could be released if mortality prevented the band from completing it of their own accord. Don has been talking about two CDs of "recent" (as in last 25 years or so) outtakes for a very long time.
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Do you remember where/when he said that? Other than the rumoured (a bv exclusive but he didn't make it up) "Memory Hotel" in 1999 I don't recall any specific mentions. Don Was did talk about outtakes when the Deluxe albums were released, even of Scarlett, hehe
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So... in other words, at the time, apparently they had enough new original material finished if they considered releasing it, even though they said otherwise later!
Having demos, even really polished demos, isn't the same thing as saying there's an album ready to release. They have the material written, whether they have enough good material to call it an album is the question. I am just speculating, but I suspect by the time Universal listened to the work-in-progress and agreed to the contract extension last year, they knew they could (if need be) have Don Was work to finish everything on his own with either remixed outtakes replacing any weak or unfinished tracks or by having other hands complete overdubs under his guidance. This has to be an album that could be released if mortality prevented the band from completing it of their own accord. Don has been talking about two CDs of "recent" (as in last 25 years or so) outtakes for a very long time.
I understand about demos, Mick's 40 demos, which it seems they haven't recorded. But they haven't been doing demos as a band, they've recording. They have been recording an album. They do have songs. But they're so damn wishy washy in how they choose to express it - I'm leaving Ronnie's quotes out of this because he's such a tart.
Mick: (We'll finish the album) but I don't know when, because you want it to be really good and everything... I hope it's gonna be a very eclectic album. I hope some of it's gonna be recognizable Stones and some of it's gonna be some Stones you never heard before, maybe... I was working on it quite recently. We've got a long way to go, but I think it sounds really great and I'm looking forward to carrying on with that. I hope (next year)... I think it would be nice to do new songs and go in a new direction with them. Maybe not quite as much harmonica!
Mick makes it sound like they've got some bottoms down by saying "I was working on it quite recently".
Keith: I've got three songs and they‘re dynamite... We did (record new songs) but they're still being worked on. (Blue & Lonesome won't be the last album). There will be more.
Keith says they've recorded - but the bit about Mick's 40 demos makes it seem like they wrote some tunes together and cut them and then Mick says 'Oh, right, by the way I've got 40 demos' and then it's The Return Of The Slagging.
So cue up...
Charlie: We went back in recently, doing some new stuff...
That was from October of 2016. [timeisonourside.com]
So then it's more tooth extracting... the effort these guys are making to explain what's going on is just exhausting. I don't know how they can do it.
Keith Richards (Late February 2017): New Stones album
It was quite fun. We did a whole week in a little room, slowly putting a new album together.
That is not exactly clear, is it. Based on the past, it's easy to think that Keith and Mick are in a little room recording... demos.
Mick Jagger (February 26, 2017): The Stones album in the works
I'm working on new songs now.
That's not "I'm working on the album recordings" that's "I'm working on demos" or, I dunno, two solo singles with Ronnie and Charlie.
Charlie Watts (April 25, 2017): The Rolling Stones' next album
We've been in the studio since (recording Blue & Lonesome), doing the rest of this (new) album.
Thank you Charlie. So insightful. At least we know it's "work on the album" speak.
It gets even more tedious:
Mick Jagger (July 2017): The Stones album in progress
We've been in the studio recording. All new songs. We've been working on that, and we'll keep working on it until we get it right.
Has there ever been this much hype about something that hasn't happened?
Keith Richards & Mick Jagger (November 2017): Work on the next Stones' album
Keith: We're working on some new (material) now. There's a new album in the works. We're slowly putting it together.
Now I want to come out with another really good original album. That’s what I’m working on… So now I’m trying to pick up the threads on what we were doing before the blues album.
Mick: It’s going good. Just this afternoon I’m going to listen to some of the multi-tracks of that and we’ve done a lot of work on it. But you know there’s ways to go but we’re still working on it. It sounds good, it sounds really good.
[www.timeisonourside.com]
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Keith has stated the band have a great album left in them.