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MisterDDDD
Both Mick and Keith seen about town in NYC over the last couple days..
Realize that likely happens all the time and isn't necessarily business related.. but like to think ..maybe.
Keith at the Beacon
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peoplewitheyes
Always alone like solo stars in these studio photos.
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retired_dog
"One More Shot" is a good example for what's probably going on right now. Keith takes his time to develop a song until he feels that it's right - just like in the old days. The only difference is that unlike the past, the rest of the Stones are obviously not willing to start with a tiny riff or song sketch and wing it for days or even weeks until a song that "feels right" is finally developed. So it seems that Keith is doing just that with other partners - Steve Jordan and others. Like with "One More Shot". The only problem is that once you have developed a song with others until it "feels right" to capture the feeling with the band in the re-recording process. Didn't people (Jordan?) claim that the original version of OMS sounded "so much better" than the Stones version?
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KRiffhard
I believe it was Heinz who posted a couple of weeks ago that they would be back in the studio in December...or maybe it was georgelicks...or MelBelli who broke the news?
Whoever it was , gotta give credit where credits due - thanks to all of them for keeping us tuned in, whether it's the new album, tour dates, etc.!
Oh yeah, and mpj200 is always helpful.
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IanBillen
Lets cut Keith a break. If it were not for Keith ..there would be no Blue & Lonesome.. The song and idea of blues was all his idea to start with. It was a way to get Mick back to playing harmonica and loosen up when they were at a recording standstill.. He chose the title track and the rest is history. Keith is the one who pushes more to get the Stones into the studio ...not Mick. He always has.
Keith is the one who called Mick first in the resurrection with Steel Wheels. Mick knew he fell short solo wise and felt silly...so it was up to Keith to man up and give the first call ...the rest is history.
Gotta Get a Grip may have been an ok Stones track with Keith input but England lost basically sucked. Keith knows what hes doing.
Hmmm... Mick did Commit A Crime with Jeff Beck at the White House show some years ago. He did Everbody Knows About My Good Thing with Gary Moore back in the 90's. The Red Devils, the band that backed for his blues session pre-Wandering Spirit, had a version of Just Your Fool in their early 90's live set that sounds almost exactly like the Stones take on Blue & Lonesome more than two decades later (it can be found on YouTube for those interested btw.). This is no coincidence imo. Mick's input on Blue & Lonesome was obviously a bit larger than he is credited for. It's not that Keith called the shots and Mick reluctantly obeyed by doing the vocals and playing the harmonica.
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retired_dog
"One More Shot" is a good example for what's probably going on right now. Keith takes his time to develop a song until he feels that it's right - just like in the old days. The only difference is that unlike the past, the rest of the Stones are obviously not willing to start with a tiny riff or song sketch and wing it for days or even weeks until a song that "feels right" is finally developed. So it seems that Keith is doing just that with other partners - Steve Jordan and others. Like with "One More Shot". The only problem is that once you have developed a song with others until it "feels right" to capture the feeling with the band in the re-recording process. Didn't people (Jordan?) claim that the original version of OMS sounded "so much better" than the Stones version?
Yeah, that's the kind of interpretation I have also at the moment (based on the small clues we have now) - to repeat capturing the right feel just doesn't work in "One More Shot" (for example, there is not problem at all in CROSSEYED HEART). I also partly blame Jagger here - he doesn't sound his heart and mind is heavily involved. To me he sounds like singing a Keith Richards solo tune karaoke/parody, not even trying to re-shape and re-write the melody and lyrics to fit into his mouth (the additions he does - those nananas or whatever those are - are just not-much-thought, cheap cake-icings to my ears). It would be like imagining Mick singing "Take It So Hard" note-to-note and word-to-word - I can't really imagine him doing that very well, because the singing part is so full of Keith Richards idiosyncracies based on his 'feel' and typical delivery (short verses, a few random-like sounding words thrown in, etc.). So I wouldn't surprised that the original Richards/Jordan might sound more convincing. (By comparison, just imagine how much effort and creative energy Jagger put into finishing up "Plundered My Soul" - which basically was just a Keith Richards riff he needed to write the whole tune over it.)
Generally, in this sense "Doom & Gloom" and "One More Shot" are both quite good indications what we should expect from them now, at least formally (if they don't apply the BLUE & LONESOME approach): A Mick song is the one based on his demos, the others just adding their bits. A Keith song is song he comes up with with Jordan, and then especially adds there something melodically and lyrically, and the others their bits. I think "Doom & Gloom" is actually a rather close cousin of "Gotta Get A Grip" - I don't think much of the latter should be altered (a bit of the heavy production sized down to emphasize more the Stonesian elements, which already are there, plus giving some room for Keef) to make it sound more a traditional Stones piece in a way "Doom & Gloom" does.
Okay, these were just observations based on their former (recent) doings (what else we do have than the already released stuff to base our reflections and predictions?), and it might sound that I am pessimistic (some say: realistic) here, but actually I don't feel like that. I think "Doom & Gloom" is a rather nice track, there is a lot of freshness and drive there, though it rocks a bit too hard (some of the famous 'roll', and Richardsian 'feel', is missing). I like very much "Gotta Get A Grip" as it is (in its different versions), and I see there a missed opportunity to make a good Stones track differing a bit from the normal (though I like the way it is - Jagger releasing with 'free hands', not needing to do compromises). Unfortunately "One More Shot" doesn't work for me at all. But I blame more the circumstances there: Keith needed hastily pick up a suitable song from his upcoming solo album, and he took the one having most typical (cliche-like) Stonesian elements in it (no room for any experiment in that context of two new songs in a greatest hits album). Add there a disinvolved Jagger and a terrible hurriness. I am sure they can do much better, giving more time and room (and, for example, Keith actually knowing that it is going be a Stones track and Mick singing it). So I feel optimistic about the new album!
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DandelionPowderman
This approach did work nicely with Almost Hear You Sigh, though.
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KRiffhard
British Grove Studios?
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British Grove Studios?
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British Grove Studios?
Don't know, but Jagger is said to be in NYC (but was the photo taken earlier?).
Anyway, the studio seems to be a different one than in which Keith's pic is taken. Which starts to look a bit absurd: the guys belong to the same band, are making the same album in horizon, happen to be in the same city - but use different studios...
But a good thing is that both Mick and Keith are signaling quite strongly that the cooks are in the kitchen now (just a while ago there were some pessimistic concerns here). Let them cook, and let us just wait the meal... though I need to admit that I feel like starving... Okay, there is the BBC album to snack..
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KRiffhard
British Grove Studios?
Don't know, but Jagger is said to be in NYC (but was the photo taken earlier?).
Anyway, the studio seems to be a different one than in which Keith's pic is taken. Which starts to look a bit absurd: the guys belong to the same band, are making the same album in horizon, happen to be in the same city - but use different studios...
But a good thing is that both Mick and Keith are signaling quite strongly that the cooks are in the kitchen now (just a while ago there were some pessimistic concerns here). Let them cook, and let us just wait the meal... though I need to admit that I feel like starving... Okay, there is the BBC album to snack..
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KRiffhard
British Grove Studios?
Don't know, but Jagger is said to be in NYC (but was the photo taken earlier?).
Anyway, the studio seems to be a different one than in which Keith's pic is taken. Which starts to look a bit absurd: the guys belong to the same band, are making the same album in horizon, happen to be in the same city - but use different studios...
- Doxa
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eduardoacdc
Maybe Keith and Mick are both kind of testing some studios here and there to see which one suits better for recording the new album??
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eduardoacdc
Maybe Keith and Mick are both kind of testing some studios here and there to see which one suits better for recording the new album??
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barbabang
I hope they use a great studio with nice acoustics, and last but not the very least : Don't (let) it ruin it in the mastering stage with earbleeding loudness. Let the music breathe with a nice dynamic range.
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barbabang
I hope they use a great studio with nice acoustics, and last but not the very least : Don't (let) it ruin it in the mastering stage with earbleeding loudness. Let the music breathe with a nice dynamic range.
TOO LATE!
If anything this new record will be overmastered.