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Hairball
Not sure about that Ian...all I know is there were quite a few who used to post here and then suddenly seemed to vanish!
Anyhow, don't want to speculate - there's enough of that in this thread.
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TeddyB1018
The 2018 U.K. tour is not taking up “most of the year”. The Stones (both of them) have every plan and intention of releasing a new album sometime next year.
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TeddyB1018
The 2018 U.K. tour is not taking up “most of the year”. The Stones (both of them) have every plan and intention of releasing a new album sometime next year.
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Doxa
I sometimes wonder how much kicks some do get from repeating again and again in any thread considering whatever that "how much I like or not Jagger's or Richards's recent solo stuff or them as musicians/persons', no matter how irrelevant to the given discussion that opinion is. But me, me, me!!!! I have an opinion!!!!!!
But a good note is that the Stones will - most likely - release a new album. That's great. Let's review it when it is released.
- Doxa
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ycagwywpmd
I waited 50 years for Blue and Lonesome. Proving that patience is a virtue.
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ycagwywpmd
I waited 50 years for Blue and Lonesome. Proving that patience is a virtue.
50 years for an album of blues covers?
That is dedication, but you could have just listened to all the originals!
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ycagwywpmd
I waited 50 years for Blue and Lonesome. Proving that patience is a virtue.
50 years for an album of blues covers?
That is dedication, but you could have just listened to all the originals!
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ycagwywpmd
I waited 50 years for Blue and Lonesome. Proving that patience is a virtue.
50 years for an album of blues covers?
That is dedication, but you could have just listened to all the originals!
The Stones introduced me to the Blues, for which I am eternally grateful.
Quote Keith: when we started playing in London in 1962 we started off with Chicago Blues. If you wanted stardom and fame then that was not the way to go.
So they changed direction and I stuck with them, after all, we all have to earn a living, don't we? But B & L completed a circle, it was good to revisit the beginning, and what a ride it's been. Even if another album never sees the light of day, wouldn't this album be just a brilliant one to finish on?
I wish people would stop whining and make the most of the times we've all had.
Of course another album would be a bonus, but if it doesn't happen, well, maybe that's the way it's meant to be
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GasLightStreet
Charlie said this in 2010: Well, it's always been "next year" - it's been like that for two years. We'll go on the road when Keith's bored, when his book's out of the way and he's bored, and Ronnie's bored. At the moment, they're both not bored. Bored enough, I mean. So I think that will happen. How long and how we do it will be another thing. It takes a lot of thought, an awful lot, and it usually takes a lot of time.
Keith in 2010: There are gems in the vault, but more interesting to me is that everybody's ready to go out there again. Who said it should stop and who said when? That's what we want to find out. We'll know when it really comes to an end, with a crashing halt. After these many years working together, we have a lot of unfinished stuff to work on that we had to leave off the last album. And knowing Mick, as I do, he's a very prolific writer. And I have ideas, and we'll put them together in December or January, something like that... We're looking forward to working.
[www.timeisonourside.com]
There was a lot of 'oh maybe' for years before what eventually happened in late 2012. And that was just for touring. Once they got going, Keith said in 2013: I came to terms with it. Quite right, at the beginning (I thought), Oh, all we’re going to do is regurgitate the past. Is that all we have left? With a band that’s been going this long, you’re bound to have fallow periods and there’s going to be periods where it all suddenly hits the spot, and hopefully this year (2013) is one of them.
In June, Keith said this about recording: It's all very hush-hush. I'm going over to London for a bit, so I'll find out more then.... We're going to talk about (recording an album) in July and see. I mean, I'd love to get some tracks down and see what songs we've got. And that goes along with part of getting the band back together and getting things moving. So I'd love to cut some tracks, yeah.... I have no doubt (Mick and I write together again).
[www.timeisonourside.com]
From there it was just the same 'Oh I'm writing' and blah blah blah about time and we'll see what happens. They've had LOADS of time. It all appears very lazy in strict regard to their expressing wanting to do a new Stones album. A lot like someone being half pregnant.
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GasLightStreet
Charlie said this in 2010: Well, it's always been "next year" - it's been like that for two years. We'll go on the road when Keith's bored, when his book's out of the way and he's bored, and Ronnie's bored. At the moment, they're both not bored. Bored enough, I mean. So I think that will happen. How long and how we do it will be another thing. It takes a lot of thought, an awful lot, and it usually takes a lot of time.
Keith in 2010: There are gems in the vault, but more interesting to me is that everybody's ready to go out there again. Who said it should stop and who said when? That's what we want to find out. We'll know when it really comes to an end, with a crashing halt. After these many years working together, we have a lot of unfinished stuff to work on that we had to leave off the last album. And knowing Mick, as I do, he's a very prolific writer. And I have ideas, and we'll put them together in December or January, something like that... We're looking forward to working.
[www.timeisonourside.com]
There was a lot of 'oh maybe' for years before what eventually happened in late 2012. And that was just for touring. Once they got going, Keith said in 2013: I came to terms with it. Quite right, at the beginning (I thought), Oh, all we’re going to do is regurgitate the past. Is that all we have left? With a band that’s been going this long, you’re bound to have fallow periods and there’s going to be periods where it all suddenly hits the spot, and hopefully this year (2013) is one of them.
In June, Keith said this about recording: It's all very hush-hush. I'm going over to London for a bit, so I'll find out more then.... We're going to talk about (recording an album) in July and see. I mean, I'd love to get some tracks down and see what songs we've got. And that goes along with part of getting the band back together and getting things moving. So I'd love to cut some tracks, yeah.... I have no doubt (Mick and I write together again).
[www.timeisonourside.com]
From there it was just the same 'Oh I'm writing' and blah blah blah about time and we'll see what happens. They've had LOADS of time. It all appears very lazy in strict regard to their expressing wanting to do a new Stones album. A lot like someone being half pregnant.
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Hairball
Yes Ian, and then Getta Grip/England Lost happened - in other words Setback/Delay - probably best referred to as Another Bump in the Road (pt. 6).
Had Keith been willing to participate in that it might have been smooth sailing, but instead they hit some patchy weather and rough seas. Eventually they went off on tour and the furthest thing from their mind was the supposed new album which is a shame because it might have been an opportune time to flesh out some ideas and/or to work their differences and find common ground. As mpj200 pointed out, there were no conversations about anything other than the tour at hand - itinerary, setlists, etc.
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Hairball
Ian - when I had previously mentioned that maybe/hopefully they had discussed the new album while on tour you were saying "why would they talk about a new album on tour"?!!! I tended to agree with you as Keith and Mick don't spend any time together other than sharing the stage. But now you're saying the exact opposite, doubting the words of trustworthy mpj200! Hard to keep up with you sometimes!
And what are your thoughts on Getta Grip/England Lost aka Setback/Delay aka Another Bump in the Road (pt. 6) ?
Do you think that might have caused any division with the band regarding a new Stones album, or are you simply overlooking the facts?
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Hairball
I recall georgelicks (I think it was him) saying it was decided Getta Grip would be a Mick single once Keith refused to play on it, and then used as a test to see what kind of success it had and the general audience reaction. The results could then be used as a possible direction for the supposed new Stones album. But...since it pretty much "failed", not sure how that affected the supposed new album plans. Maybe Mick has since realized it was a wrong direction, and has since decided to scrap his 40 demos (or most of them) and write some new material? Or maybe he's giving Keith's ideas (aka "dynamite riffs") some more room to flourish and evolve - no matter how rough those ideas were and how long it takes. At this rate, we could be here for years speculating before any new album of originals see the light of day - 2023 is only six years away!
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IanBillen
... they are obligated by contract...
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Hairball
Right - and nobody is saying any of them has thrown in the towel and scrapped the supposed new album altogether - but I thought we made that clear already? Mick intended Getta Drip/England Lost for the supposed new album, but that was where things turned a bit ugly. Instead, and this is obviously pure speculation, Mick said "ok then Keith, I'll send it out as a solo single instead and show you how to do things properly in this modern day and age". In turn Keith said "go ahead mate and knock yourself out, but that crap is NOT going on a Stones album". So there we have it...the band at a crossroads - wondering which direction the supposed new album is supposed to be heading. Mick wants "experimental" contemporary stuff, while Keith wants it to be more traditional. Which way it goes is anyone's guess (if it goes at all)...maybe they could do a double album with half going in Mick's direction and the other half going in Keith's. Might be the best solution and the best of both worlds - everybody wins including the fans.
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IanBillen
... they are obligated by contract...
Are they really?
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wonderboy
so long as Mick and Keith aren't working together, then I doubt we will see a new album. And I don't think they would ever put out an album with one side of Mick songs and another side of Keith material.
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IanBillen
... they are obligated by contract...
Are they really? Will they be fined if they don't deliver within the agreed period? Hmm...
Reading between the lines (and interpreting...) it looks a bit like Mick's got 40+ songs demo'd and ready to record, and Keith doesn't like them but doesn't have any of his own, apart from a few ideas for riffs that still need being kicked about but Mick doesn't feel like spending weeks kicking about a one-and-a-half chord riff to make it useable.
If there is really so much disagreement between the two as to which direction the new stuff should take, and no way to compromize, maybe the wisest thing to do would be to go both ways at the same time. In the worst case we get two - very different - new albums at once. And one year later, their record company could release a Best Of culled from both albums, even with a few bonus tracks maybe ... Although, it appears to me that much Stones stuff was great because neither Mick nor Keith got their respective ways but they had to compromize. But what do I know.
But anyway, the way I recall the various posts here, they haven't really spent *that* much time yet in the studio. I mean, it's not that they spent 6+ months in the studio without a break working on the stuff 10 hrs a day, and nothing became of it.
Personally, I don't care whether a song was written by Mick, or Keith, or Ronnie, or - noone ever thinks of that - maybe even Charlie, as long as I like it (and if I don't, I don't care who wrote it either ...). But I'm not all to unhappy that Grip and Lost were kept off the new album. They can do better.