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Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by: jlowe ()
Date: September 12, 2017 22:03

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Hairball
That quote from Mick says a lot about his own stubbornness and unwillingness to be a part of a band, but the reality is he needs someone to bounce ideas off of.

"But with my own LPs I had complete songs and complete arrangements and the whole thing of it mentally, and the ability to present my stuff to the players without everybody going, Oh no, that's no good was sort of a new thing for me. Quite refreshing".

When you surround yourself with hired hands (even of the calibur of Jeff Beck), the last thing they're going to tell you is it's a bad idea you're working on. They do what they're told, and the results will always rest on the shoulders of the boss. Alot of Mick's solo material could have used someone like Keith to elevate it, and the same can be said for some of Keith's material - Micks input might have been beneficial.

These are interesting issues which of course go right into the heart of the Mick/
Keith writing 'partnership'.
For solo work they have both worked with 'Partners': Matt Clifford and Steve Jordan.
This is different to the Beatles (unless you factor in the wives' input) in that they pretty much produced the finished work themselves when they went solo.Though Macca has had short term collabs with others..Laine and Costello come to mind. Oh, and Mad Jacko of course.
What does Steve Jordan add to Keith's intial demos? Is he a lyricist? He seems a fuller partner than say Clifford. But does that mean that Mick is just more capable of producing a track on his own, or us less willing than Keith to listen to suggestions? Mick is first and foremost a vocalist. Is that a negative? But then so is Van Morrison.
Does Keith just respect Jordan (a fellow 'musician') more than vocalist Mick?
Or is it down to personal relationships.
I could never imagine Macca and George creating a song together. But despite all the aggravation going on, John and Paul still seemed able to spark each other off...to the benefit of the finished track.
Any views welcome!

Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by: TeddyB1018 ()
Date: September 12, 2017 23:34

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gotdablouse
The "methodology" had indeed not worked very well for UC or DW...endless sessions, endless arguing !

I would suggest that those records are more Stones-like than what’s transpired since. It’s like Mick is arguing for efficiency. I do agree that for solo material they should experiment and do things differently. That’s the whole point of solo albums really.



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Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by: KeithNacho ()
Date: September 12, 2017 23:59

What about a Watts-Wood song in the supposed new RS album??

Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by: Maindefender ()
Date: September 13, 2017 01:05

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KeithNacho
What about a Watts-Wood song in the supposed new RS album??

What about it? Tell us what you know so far to help us out.....tongue sticking out smiley

Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by: doitywoik ()
Date: September 13, 2017 06:31

I guess it's among those that aren't yet recorded ...

Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by: LongBeachArena72 ()
Date: September 13, 2017 08:11

As some of you might know, I dearly love the late-career work of The Rolling Stones and have been quite concerned about the two-year-long rollercoaster ride they've subjected us to while attempting to record their "new album."

I've been scouring the internet for something that might help break the creative logjam The Glimmers have apparently foisted upon themselves ... and I have come up with a solution!

Look at what Grammy-winner Esperanza Spaulding is doing to record her new album: she's streaming the process for 77 consecutive hours live on Facebook, composing and arranging everything on the fly in front of the camera!

Every moment, including breaks for sleep and sustenance, will be broadcast via Facebook Live, adding a layer of reality-TV voyeurism to the situation (without the drama of musicians being voted off the island).

"Knowing someone is watching and listening to what you're making seems to conjure up a sort of 'can't fail' energy," Spalding said in a statement on her website. "The necessity to keep going because it's live draws up another depth of creative facility that can't be reached when you know you can try again tomorrow."

Think of it, were The Stones to adopt such a plan, we'd have a new record in barely more than 3 days!

It's happening RIGHT NOW at:

[www.npr.org]



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Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by: stonehearted ()
Date: September 13, 2017 08:49

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LongBeachArena72
Look at what Grammy-winner Esperanza Spaulding is doing to record her new album: she's streaming the process for 77 consecutive hours live on Facebook, composing and arranging everything on the fly in front of the camera!

Every moment, including breaks for sleep and sustenance, will be broadcast via Facebook Live, adding a layer of reality-TV voyeurism to the situation (without the drama of musicians being voted off the island).

"Knowing someone is watching and listening to what you're making seems to conjure up a sort of 'can't fail' energy," Spalding said in a statement on her website. "The necessity to keep going because it's live draws up another depth of creative facility that can't be reached when you know you can try again tomorrow."

Think of it, were The Stones to adopt such a plan, we'd have a new record in barely more than 3 days!

Mostly, it would be watching every puff Keith takes from a cigarette.

Do we really need to watch them think about music, every step of the way?

If this technology were available in 1964 and restreamable now, I think it might diminish my enjoyment of, say, 12X5. I'll just take the music -- save the interaction and etc for the concert stage.

Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: September 14, 2017 04:11

One might imagine it would take a while if Keith's having issues playing if his solos and intros are any indication - possibly days of overdubbing for everything to come out right. Just a tad bit slower to get going than it used to be. He is 73 years old. And very likely substantially damaged at this point.

Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by: Rocky Dijon ()
Date: September 14, 2017 05:10

Not a musician personally, but isn't it normal to spend days overdubbing everything to come out right?



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Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by: hopkins ()
Date: September 14, 2017 06:23

I really think at this point it's best to wait till 2022 for their 60th frankly.
Can you IMAGINE the pandemonium!? Well alright.

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Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by: LongBeachArena72 ()
Date: September 14, 2017 06:41

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Rocky Dijon
Not a musician personally, but isn't it normal to spend days overdubbing everything to come out right?

Yes, and I think Ms, Spalding is going to do this after the fact before she releases the record. The 77 hours she is "live" are just to gather the "raw material," if you will, that will later be cobbled together for release.

Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by: IanBillen ()
Date: September 14, 2017 08:35

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Rocky Dijon
Not a musician personally, but isn't it normal to spend days overdubbing everything to come out right?


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It easily can be. We just spent 8 straight hours overdubbing in the studio two nights ago and it was for a single song.


Depends on the song .. who's involved.. etc. However over dubbs for an album can take three days ... three weeks .. a month and a half. The Stones have spent six weeks on and off doing overdubs for an album before ..

Though I don't think they are at that stage on this one (who knows? Only them and their camp).

Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by: LongBeachArena72 ()
Date: September 14, 2017 09:10

Another solution, since the Esperanza Spalding route may be a bit much for the Glimmers:

Why not take a page from the Outkast playbook and release a double album a la Speakerboxx/The Love Below, in which Mick and Keith each cut a solo record (hiring Ron and Charlie and even Chuck and Daryl) and then they put 'em out together as The Rolling Stones Abandon All Pretense of Collaboration . I know, I know, it's not very catchy ...

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