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Hairball
Those sneakers Keith is wearing are quite...interesting.
Looks like they could be Converse Chuck Taylor's, but must be a customized version.
Maybe they're the special "No Filter" version, and will be worn by the band and avaialble to the public at merch stands?
ps - Thanks georgelicks for confirming what we kind of already knew.
The tour runs through the end of October, and I assume they'll take a well-deserved break through the Christmas Holidays.
Then they might reconvene after the new year...back to the old drawing board if you will, and see what happens from there.
Hopefully they'll be reinvigorated and re-inspired in the studio, and maybe then announce a tour of the England (which might put the new album in limbo again).
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IanBillen
10 days in studio in early November.
Jan and Feb for solidifying all recording.
Mixed in March and April.
Early July Release -
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IanBillen
10 days in studio in early November.
Jan and Feb for solidifying all recording.
Mixed in March and April.
Early July Release -
Fact?
Fiction?
Dreaming?
Speculation?
Educated guess?
Wishful thinking?
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ahhh..I see your edit Ian.
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IanBillen
10 days in studio in early November.
Jan and Feb for solidifying all recording.
Mixed in March and April.
Early July Release -
Fact?
Fiction?
Dreaming?
Speculation?
Educated guess?
Wishful thinking?
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ahhh..I see your edit Ian.
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DandelionPowderman
The one who waits...
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DandelionPowderman
The one who waits...
Chuck Berry's fans had to wait 35 years!
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doitywoik
Yeah, haste just makes waste! The album will certainly arrive just in time for the 150 And Counting tour ...
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Rokyfan
And it will be their best since Exile
Then again, the way they are laboring over the material, and the way they may not be satisfied with the material, even after an eternity in the studio, may be an indication that the old magic just isn't there.Quote
IanBillen
I think there is a chance we will get that darn strong of a release versus just another real good latter day Stones release.
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Rokyfan
And it will be their best since Exile
Minimally ...
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stoneheartedThen again, the way they are laboring over the material, and the way they may not be satisfied with the material, even after an eternity in the studio, may be an indication that the old magic just isn't there.Quote
IanBillen
I think there is a chance we will get that darn strong of a release versus just another real good latter day Stones release.
After 12 years, putting together a collection of 10 or 12 songs should have been easy.
They should just put out a single months in advance, perhaps even a double A-side, just the best track or two from what they've recorded so far.
Let the reaction of their eager fans tell them if what they've been working on will pass muster.
The way they've been said to be approaching this album, hashing and rehashing ideas, it sounds like they're trying too hard to live up to their own legend/legacy.
If there is something to come from these sessions, then they should just let it fall into place naturally, rather than trying to force the ideas to fruition.
Because if the results are too self-conscious, then it will show, and they could wind up becoming their own tribute band.
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stoneheartedThen again, the way they are laboring over the material, and the way they may not be satisfied with the material, even after an eternity in the studio, may be an indication that the old magic just isn't there.Quote
IanBillen
I think there is a chance we will get that darn strong of a release versus just another real good latter day Stones release.
After 12 years, putting together a collection of 10 or 12 songs should have been easy.
They should just put out a single months in advance, perhaps even a double A-side, just the best track or two from what they've recorded so far.
Let the reaction of their eager fans tell them if what they've been working on will pass muster.
The way they've been said to be approaching this album, hashing and rehashing ideas, it sounds like they're trying too hard to live up to their own legend/legacy.
If there is something to come from these sessions, then they should just let it fall into place naturally, rather than trying to force the ideas to fruition.
Because if the results are too self-conscious, then it will show, and they could wind up becoming their own tribute band.
Agreed.
There's also the factor of Keith's deteriorating guitar skills...he only played some rhythm on Blue and Lonesome which was OK, but none of it really had that signature Keith riffage happening. And some of what was on Crosseyed Heart had his stamp, but some of that stuff was recorded up to ten years ago so it's hard to judge his present skills based on that. While he played OK at best at the Desert Trip and abbreviated Vegas show, his playing at the Merry Clayton tribute show at the Apollo was a train wreck. Maybe they can fix and edit some of that stuff in the studio, but then it turns in to a Frankenstein type of vibe.
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stoneheartedThen again, the way they are laboring over the material, and the way they may not be satisfied with the material, even after an eternity in the studio, may be an indication that the old magic just isn't there.Quote
IanBillen
I think there is a chance we will get that darn strong of a release versus just another real good latter day Stones release.
After 12 years, putting together a collection of 10 or 12 songs should have been easy.
They should just put out a single months in advance, perhaps even a double A-side, just the best track or two from what they've recorded so far.
Let the reaction of their eager fans tell them if what they've been working on will pass muster.
The way they've been said to be approaching this album, hashing and rehashing ideas, it sounds like they're trying too hard to live up to their own legend/legacy.
If there is something to come from these sessions, then they should just let it fall into place naturally, rather than trying to force the ideas to fruition.
Because if the results are too self-conscious, then it will show, and they could wind up becoming their own tribute band.
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stoneheartedThen again, the way they are laboring over the material, and the way they may not be satisfied with the material, even after an eternity in the studio, may be an indication that the old magic just isn't there.Quote
IanBillen
I think there is a chance we will get that darn strong of a release versus just another real good latter day Stones release.
After 12 years, putting together a collection of 10 or 12 songs should have been easy.
They should just put out a single months in advance, perhaps even a double A-side, just the best track or two from what they've recorded so far.
Let the reaction of their eager fans tell them if what they've been working on will pass muster.
The way they've been said to be approaching this album, hashing and rehashing ideas, it sounds like they're trying too hard to live up to their own legend/legacy.
If there is something to come from these sessions, then they should just let it fall into place naturally, rather than trying to force the ideas to fruition.
Because if the results are too self-conscious, then it will show, and they could wind up becoming their own tribute band.
Agreed.
There's also the factor of Keith's deteriorating guitar skills...he only played some rhythm on Blue and Lonesome which was OK, but none of it really had that signature Keith riffage happening. And some of what was on Crosseyed Heart had his stamp, but some of that stuff was recorded up to ten years ago so it's hard to judge his present skills based on that. While he played OK at best at the Desert Trip and abbreviated Vegas show, his playing at the Merry Clayton tribute show at the Apollo was a train wreck. Maybe they can fix and edit some of that stuff in the studio, but then it turns in to a Frankenstein type of vibe.
Blah blah blah. Disagree. Keith's guitar skills will not be a detriment on the new album.
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IanBillen
They have been doing this longer than anyone .. and they are quite keen on making records ..
The trouble is, these album sessions have no momentum. The "spark" is creativity, building on something, a larger project, to see it through. Imagine if they had started Exile in 1971... only to finish it in 1975 or 1976. Do you think it would have been as great?Quote
IanBillen
There is a point when you start to over cook things and you lose that spontaneity / spark .. but I don't think this is the case because they have not been 'laboring' over this during the past year and a half .. trust me.. I know.
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And it will be their best since Exile
Minimally ...
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stoneheartedThen again, the way they are laboring over the material, and the way they may not be satisfied with the material, even after an eternity in the studio, may be an indication that the old magic just isn't there.Quote
IanBillen
I think there is a chance we will get that darn strong of a release versus just another real good latter day Stones release.
After 12 years, putting together a collection of 10 or 12 songs should have been easy.
They should just put out a single months in advance, perhaps even a double A-side, just the best track or two from what they've recorded so far.
Let the reaction of their eager fans tell them if what they've been working on will pass muster.
The way they've been said to be approaching this album, hashing and rehashing ideas, it sounds like they're trying too hard to live up to their own legend/legacy.
If there is something to come from these sessions, then they should just let it fall into place naturally, rather than trying to force the ideas to fruition.
Because if the results are too self-conscious, then it will show, and they could wind up becoming their own tribute band.
Agreed.
There's also the factor of Keith's deteriorating guitar skills...he only played some rhythm on Blue and Lonesome which was OK, but none of it really had that signature Keith riffage happening. And some of what was on Crosseyed Heart had his stamp, but some of that stuff was recorded up to ten years ago so it's hard to judge his present skills based on that. While he played OK at best at the Desert Trip and abbreviated Vegas show, his playing at the Merry Clayton tribute show at the Apollo was a train wreck. Maybe they can fix and edit some of that stuff in the studio, but then it turns in to a Frankenstein type of vibe.
Blah blah blah. Disagree. Keith's guitar skills will not be a detriment on the new album.
Spoken like a true defender of Keith...or maybe blind defender.
There is a reality to consider, and it's obvious his playing has been on the decline for years now...unless you're in complete denial.
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stoneheartedThe trouble is, these album sessions have no momentum. The "spark" is creativity, building on something, a larger project, to see it through. Imagine if they had started Exile in 1971... only to finish it in 1975 or 1976. Do you think it would have been as great?Quote
IanBillen
There is a point when you start to over cook things and you lose that spontaneity / spark .. but I don't think this is the case because they have not been 'laboring' over this during the past year and a half .. trust me.. I know.
What they should do at this point is just forget about the album, abandon that age-old idea of believing that they can't put out something new unless they have 14 or 15 new songs at once.
Just like Mick claims to have done this summer, let the Stones embrace this new process as well -- just release one or two songs, as a double-sided "single". That way, the pressure's off.
They would no longer have to worry about trying to measure up to releasing the greatest album since Exile On Main Street or Some Girls or what have you. If they have a song or two, just put it out.
Because of their latter-day touring schedule, they can no longer invest the time to build the momentum that is needed to create a such a solid Long Play release, because that would take months, the better part of a year.
Now, playing clusters of concerts every year, unprecedented for them since the mid-1960s, their recording output will likewise have to change -- otherwise, they will keep "hitting the wall" with an album they feel they can never finish.
Instead, if they feel they must release new music, in addition to continually touring, then just release a song or two at a time, every few months, why not?
Why does there have to be a new Rolling Stones album, when there can simply be new Rolling Stones songs, every year to accompany every new tour?
This recording a new album in fits and starts, it obviously doesn't work. They're not touring in the same way as before, so why should they approach recording the same old way?
Oh, and Ian, no, I don't trust you -- only because I don't know you, but I'm sure you're a good bloke just the same.