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There's no official chart in Chile, the market is so small (about 90% is streaming and ilegal sales) that even GOLD albums (5,000 copies sold) are so rare nowadays, only 2 albums in 2016.

Maybe, but 62412 people paid to see them in concert last year.

Of course, the money is there, album sales are not relevant anymore, you need to sell over 5 million copies to get real money from sales and I can't think on more than 4-5 acts worldwide doing it.

Just think in Argentina, they can sell over 151,000 tickets in 14 hours while their last album has yet to reach 20,000 copies sold after 2 months being #1 or #2 on the charts.

Anyway, one day Andrew Oldham will confess: Sorry folks, for locking Mick and Keith in he kitchen...

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There's no official chart in Chile, the market is so small (about 90% is streaming and ilegal sales) that even GOLD albums (5,000 copies sold) are so rare nowadays, only 2 albums in 2016.

Maybe, but 62412 people paid to see them in concert last year.

Of course, the money is there, album sales are not relevant anymore, you need to sell over 5 million copies to get real money from sales and I can't think on more than 4-5 acts worldwide doing it.

Just think in Argentina, they can sell over 151,000 tickets in 14 hours while their last album has yet to reach 20,000 copies sold after 2 months being #1 or #2 on the charts.

But earlier in this thread I thought you said that Universal should be making $12-15 million on B an L sales if 1.5 million or so?
Isn't that a reasonable return?

BLACK & BLUE & LONESOME = ONE LOVE

What's the difference?

THIS MUSIC IS MIGHTY MIGHTY FINE

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There's no official chart in Chile, the market is so small (about 90% is streaming and ilegal sales) that even GOLD albums (5,000 copies sold) are so rare nowadays, only 2 albums in 2016.

Maybe, but 62412 people paid to see them in concert last year.

Of course, the money is there, album sales are not relevant anymore, you need to sell over 5 million copies to get real money from sales and I can't think on more than 4-5 acts worldwide doing it.

Just think in Argentina, they can sell over 151,000 tickets in 14 hours while their last album has yet to reach 20,000 copies sold after 2 months being #1 or #2 on the charts.

But earlier in this thread I thought you said that Universal should be making $12-15 million on B an L sales if 1.5 million or so?
Isn't that a reasonable return?

I'm talking about real money, you can do the math, $12-15 million split between:
- Record label
- Production, studio and marketing costs
- Publishing rights
- Band members and musicians on the album

With so many people around you need big numbers to make a profit.

Thanks georgelicks.....interesting to speculate but I wonder if one of the 3 majors will still be selling records in five years time.
And where it leaves new acts if the business contracts significantly.
(issues for another thread, I guess).

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And where it leaves new acts if the business contracts significantly.

Touring and playing live as much as they can, just like almost any artist under 40 is doing nowadays.

Gary Clark Jr. is a good example, a new album every 3 years to have something fresh and new to play (how much money can he get selling 200-250k worldwide?) and not less than 80 shows per year.

Greece, 8th week, at #5. Chart Run: 4 - 3 - 38 - 3 - 3 - 2 - 3 - 5

9th week
Argentina #2
Israel - out
Finland #24 (re-entry)
Czech Republic #12
France #42

Argentina! Unbelievable

US update, week 9

#119 on the Billboard 200 and #36 on sales only.

Week 01: 119,947 (123,300 with Streams points included)
Week 02: 42,230 (43,200)
Week 03: 51,386 (52,300)
Week 04: 34,351 (35,200)
Week 05: 21,136 (21,800)
Week 06: 9,353 (9,900)
Week 07: 7,066 (7,700)
Week 08: 5,479 (6,000)
Week 09: 5,266 (5,600)

Total: 296,214 (Sales) / 305,000 (Sales + Streaming)

THE ROLLING STONES - BLUE & LONESOME (aproxx. 1.750.000 units sold world wide until now)

CHART numbers NINE weeks in a row!

Please add and/or correct...............

***Mediatraffic***
WORLD CHART : 1 - 2 - 1 - 3 - 4 - 7 - 9 - 10...

Netherlands : 1 - 1 - 1- 1 - 1 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 8
United K. : 1 - 2 - 4 - 5 - 5 - 10 - 10- 12 - 14
Germany : 1 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 1 - 5 - 8 - 7 - 14
Belgium : 1 - 1 - 3 - 4 - 4 - 2 - 2 - 6 - 8
Swiss : 1 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 4 - 3
Sweden : 1 - 5 - 1- 1 - 6 - 20 - 11 - 25 - 16
Norway : 1 - 3 - 4 - 6 - 11 - 7 - 11 - x
Austria : 1 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 6 - 8 - 10
Czech Rep : 1 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 4 - 8 - 7 - 15 - 12
Croatia : 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 9 - 3 - ? - 17
Scotland : 1 - 3 - 7 - 7 - 5 - 8 - 5 - 7 - 8
Denmark : 2 - 4 - 3 - 13 - 19 - 27 - 10 - x
France : 2 - 3 - 4 - 6 - 12 - 19 - 26 - 34 - 42
Portugal : 2 - 4 - 4 - 8 - 17 -10 - 11 - 11
Poland : 4 - 3 - 8 - 8 - 10 - 15 - 17 - 23
Greece : 4 - 3 - 38 - 3 - 3 - 2 - 3 - 5
Spain : 4 - 6 - 6 - 8 - 12 - 10 - 13 - 13
Italy : 4 - 8 - 11 - 12 - 8 - 7 - 13 - 15 - 17
Ireland : 4 - 8 - 12 - 12 - 21 - 23 - 23 - 22 - 48
Finland : 5 - 17 - 16 - 21 - 36- 21 - 22 - x - 24
Hungary : 30 - 12 - 14 - 20 - x - 32 - x - 33 - 26

NORTH AMERICA:
USA : 4 - 10 - 9 - 15 - 18 - 48 - 71 - 102 - 119
Canada : 2 - 8 - 5 - 5 - 14 - 22 - 30 - 50

SOUTH AMERICA:
Argentina : 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 2
Brazil : 4 - 10
Mexico : 18 - 19
Chile :......1... No official charts

Other countries around the world:
Israel : 1 - 1 - 1 - x - 10 - 22 - x - 28 - x
Australia : 1 - 3 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 5 - 8 - 9 - 13
New Zealand : 2 - 3 - 4 - 4 - 5 - 8 - 9 - 11 - 14
Japan : 3 - 6 - 20 - 29 - 19 - 32
Honk Kong : 6 -
South Korea : 73 - out

9th

Croatia #1
Switzerland #5
Canada #45

Croatia!!!

And my country Switzerland: Top Five for 9 weeks
 

THE ROLLING STONES - BLUE & LONESOME (aproxx. 1.750.000 units sold world wide until now)

CHART numbers NINE weeks in a row!

Please add and/or correct...............

***Mediatraffic***
WORLD CHART : 1 - 2 - 1 - 3 - 4 - 7 - 9 - 10...

Netherlands : 1 - 1 - 1- 1 - 1 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 8
United K. : 1 - 2 - 4 - 5 - 5 - 10 - 10- 12 - 14
Germany : 1 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 1 - 5 - 8 - 7 - 14
Belgium : 1 - 1 - 3 - 4 - 4 - 2 - 2 - 6 - 8
Swiss : 1 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 4 - 3 - 5.....
Sweden : 1 - 5 - 1- 1 - 6 - 20 - 11 - 25 - 16
Norway : 1 - 3 - 4 - 6 - 11 - 7 - 11 - x
Austria : 1 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 6 - 8 - 10
Czech Rep : 1 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 4 - 8 - 7 - 15 - 12
Croatia : 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 9 - 3 - ? - 17 - 1..... Really???
Scotland : 1 - 3 - 7 - 7 - 5 - 8 - 5 - 7 - 8
Denmark : 2 - 4 - 3 - 13 - 19 - 27 - 10 - x
France : 2 - 3 - 4 - 6 - 12 - 19 - 26 - 34 - 42
Portugal : 2 - 4 - 4 - 8 - 17 -10 - 11 - 11
Poland : 4 - 3 - 8 - 8 - 10 - 15 - 17 - 23
Greece : 4 - 3 - 38 - 3 - 3 - 2 - 3 - 5
Spain : 4 - 6 - 6 - 8 - 12 - 10 - 13 - 13
Italy : 4 - 8 - 11 - 12 - 8 - 7 - 13 - 15 - 17
Ireland : 4 - 8 - 12 - 12 - 21 - 23 - 23 - 22 - 48
Finland : 5 - 17 - 16 - 21 - 36- 21 - 22 - x - 24
Hungary : 30 - 12 - 14 - 20 - x - 32 - x - 33 - 26

NORTH AMERICA:
USA : 4 - 10 - 9 - 15 - 18 - 48 - 71 - 102 - 119
Canada : 2 - 8 - 5 - 5 - 14 - 22 - 30 - 50 - 45

SOUTH AMERICA:
Argentina : 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 2
Brazil : 4 - 10
Mexico : 18 - 19
Chile :......1... No official charts

Other countries around the world:
Israel : 1 - 1 - 1 - x - 10 - 22 - x - 28 - x
Australia : 1 - 3 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 5 - 8 - 9 - 13
New Zealand : 2 - 3 - 4 - 4 - 5 - 8 - 9 - 11 - 14
Japan : 3 - 6 - 20 - 29 - 19 - 32
Honk Kong : 6 -
South Korea : 73 - out

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Croatia : 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 9 - 3 - ? - 17 - 1..... Really???

Yep, but on the international chart, there's not a combined chart on Croatia for local and international acts, one chart for local acts and another one for international artists.

Local:
[www.hdu-toplista.com]

International:
[www.hdu-toplista.com]

I'm talking about real money, you can do the math, $12-15 million split between:
- Record label
- Production, studio and marketing costs
- Publishing rights
- Band members and musicians on the album

With so many people around you need big numbers to make a profit.[/quote]

These are covers, so profits will be lower, correct? Do they have to pay the estates of the original songwriters?
And no publishing rights, correct?

9th week

Austria #15
Portugal #21
Spain #24

Some little corrections:

The 2nd week chart of Austria was valid for two weeks (1 frozen chart (New Year)), hence as a weekly chart the chart run for Austria is

1-3-3-3-3-6-8-10-15

The chart run for Israel is 1-1-1-10 instead of 1-1-1-x-10 (s. also post from georgelicks from 1/13)

The complete chart run for Croatia is 1-1-1-1-9-16-3-17-1

[www.hdu-toplista.com]

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I'm talking about real money, you can do the math, $12-15 million split between:
- Record label
- Production, studio and marketing costs
- Publishing rights
- Band members and musicians on the album

With so many people around you need big numbers to make a profit.

These are covers, so profits will be lower, correct? Do they have to pay the estates of the original songwriters?
And no publishing rights, correct?[/quote]

Well, unless any of the tracks/compositions are in the public domain, then yes publishing royalties will be paid to the various Estates...or anyone else legally able to receive. So a nice windfall for some.

The 4 categories listed above have ALLWAYS been factors of course.
Compared to many industries, the music one is (for a few) still a very profitable occupation to be part of.

Album's 9th week is the first outside the Global Top 10. Media Traffic only publishes Top 10 (and some others outside it, but 'B and L' is not included in the current report). I suppose now we need Georgelicks to have informations about the exact album's positions on the Global Chart (Top 20 or Top 30, etc).

All in all it has been a great run for BLUE & LONESOME and this thread has been a great ride with it.

Thanks Everybody!

In Italy after 10 weeks B&L is still #17 (4-8-11-12-8-7-13-15-17-17)

Germany, week 10: B&L at #16 on 10-Feb-2017.

Chart Run: 1 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 1 - 5 - 8 - 7 - 14 - 16 (December 9, 2016 - February 10, 2017)

[www.offiziellecharts.de] - [www.viva.tv]



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I'm talking about real money, you can do the math, $12-15 million split between:
- Record label
- Production, studio and marketing costs
- Publishing rights
- Band members and musicians on the album

With so many people around you need big numbers to make a profit.

These are covers, so profits will be lower, correct? Do they have to pay the estates of the original songwriters?
And no publishing rights, correct?

Keep in mind that the story tales it was a 3 days job. Pas dégeu comme rapport!

What happened in Greece between week 3 and 4 ?

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Album's 9th week is the first outside the Global Top 10. Media Traffic only publishes Top 10 (and some others outside it, but 'B and L' is not included in the current report). I suppose now we need Georgelicks to have informations about the exact album's positions on the Global Chart (Top 20 or Top 30, etc).

Mediatraffic reports sales outside the Top 10 in the Hompage section:
[www.mediatraffic.de]

...'Blue & Lonesome' by Rolling Stones 40,000 / 1,618,000...
They are #13 this week after the XX at #11 (45k) and Adele at #12 (44k)

According to Universal the album has sold 1.725,000 as of January 2, about a 6.5% difference with Mediatraffic.
I guess that Universal tracks sales outside the main market as Ebay, online sellers with no official record on the main circle, sales from music clubs, etc so the additional 107k is a good real estimate.

#16 in the UK during the 10th week selling another 4,500 copies, 306,500 copies sold so far. It was certified PLATINUM last week.

Satisfaction just got a Silver Certification too in the UK for sales over 200,000 since 2004, it's their 4th song to sell over 200k during the digital era after Paint It Black (certified GOLD, over 400k since 2004) and SFTD / Gimme Shelter (SILVER, both over 200k since 2004).

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#16 in the UK during the 10th week selling another 4,500 copies, 306,500 copies sold so far. It was certified PLATINUM last week.

Satisfaction just got a Silver Certification too in the UK for sales over 200,000 since 2004, it's their 4th song to sell over 200k during the digital era after Paint It Black (certified GOLD, over 400k since 2004) and SFTD / Gimme Shelter (SILVER, both over 200k since 2004).

Surpassed ER, in a month or so Voodoo Lounge in times where record sales are much less. Congrats

Thanks for the info about the Global Chart, Georgelicks. So,

Chart Run: 1 - 2 - 1 - 3 - 4 - 7 - 9 - 10 - 13

Excellent album's performance, worldwide...

Greece, 9th week, still at #5. Chart Run: 4 - 3 - 38 - 3 - 3 - 2 - 3 - 5 - 5

THE ROLLING STONES - BLUE & LONESOME (aproxx. 1.800.000 units sold world wide until now)

CHART numbers TEN weeks in a row!

Please add and/or correct...............

***Mediatraffic***
WORLD CHART : 1 - 2 - 1 - 3 - 4 - 7 - 9 - 10 - 13..... & Counting.....

Netherlands : 1 - 1 - 1- 1 - 1 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 8 - 11
United K. : 1 - 2 - 4 - 5 - 5 - 10 - 10- 12 - 14 - 16
Germany : 1 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 1 - 5 - 8 - 7 - 14 - 16
Belgium : 1 - 1 - 3 - 4 - 4 - 2 - 2 - 6 - 8 - 15
Swiss : 1 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 4 - 3 - 5
Sweden : 1 - 5 - 1- 1 - 6 - 20 - 11 - 25 - 16
Norway : 1 - 3 - 4 - 6 - 11 - 7 - 11 - x
Austria : 1 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 6 - 8 - 10 - 15
Czech Rep : 1 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 4 - 8 - 7 - 15 - 12
Croatia : 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 9 - 16 - 3 - 17 - 1
Scotland : 1 - 3 - 7 - 7 - 5 - 8 - 5 - 7 - 8
Denmark : 2 - 4 - 3 - 13 - 19 - 27 - 10 - x
France : 2 - 3 - 4 - 6 - 12 - 19 - 26 - 34 - 42
Portugal : 2 - 4 - 4 - 8 - 17 -10 - 11 - 11 - 21
Poland : 4 - 3 - 8 - 8 - 10 - 15 - 17 - 23
Greece : 4 - 3 - 38 - 3 - 3 - 2 - 3 - 5 - 5
Spain : 4 - 6 - 6 - 8 - 12 - 10 - 13 - 13
Italy : 4 - 8 - 11 - 12 - 8 - 7 - 13 - 15 - 17 - 17
Ireland : 4 - 8 - 12 - 12 - 21 - 23 - 14 - 22 - 30 - 50 - 45

SOUTH AMERICA:
Argentina : 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 2
Brazil : 4 - 10
M23 - 22 - 48
Finland : 5 - 17 - 16 - 21 - 36- 21 - 22 - x - 24
Hungary : 30 - 12 - 14 - 20 - x - 32 - x - 33 - 26

NORTH AMERICA:
USA : 4 - 10 - 9 - 15 - 18 - 48 - 71 - 102 - 119
Canada : 2 - 8 - 5 - 5 -exico : 18 - 19
Chile :......1... No official charts

Other countries around the world:
Israel : 1 - 1 - 1 - x - 10 - 22 - x - 28 - x
Australia : 1 - 3 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 5 - 8 - 9 - 13
New Zealand : 2 - 3 - 4 - 4 - 5 - 8 - 9 - 11 - 14
Japan : 3 - 6 - 20 - 29 - 19 - 32
Honk Kong : 6 -
South Korea : 73 - out



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