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mrsoandso
Last night I attended a discussion with Robbie and Steve Van Zandt at the NYPL.
Robbie was a great story teller, and came across as very likable and funny.
He spoke very highly of Levon and all the artists he worked with.
I am looking forward to reading his book.
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RollingFreak
I don't disagree with you, but in the end that is what they did is continue on without Robbie. And no one really cared. Would that maybe have been different if they didn't have a whole sendoff to Robbie with the Last Waltz and more quietly made a transition? Maybe. But in the end, they didn't do anything worth noting after Robbie left. I'd give them more credit if they had good material when he left and continued on. But from my view it seemed like Robbie and the talent left when he did so in that regard its hard for me to blame Robbie. Yeah he got the better end of the deal, but they did continue on without him and it didn't mean much. Its not like he really prevented them from doing anything. He wanted out.
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TheGreek
To me it's so intresting that the name of The BAND, not Robbie Robertson and the band and yet because ROBBIE did not want to tour anymore because of all of the bad and evil things about the ROAD and then wanted to end The Band which is the most ultimate and uncaring thing someone who claims to be mates with or brothers in arms or anything else that you want to call it, yeah if i were one of the other 4 members of the Band i would have been very despondent about this and not to mention broke and living in the poor house as the other four were because Robbie got all of the publishing royalties and his masterpiece idea of how to cash in with Marty to get that big payday withe the Last Waltz pure genius like a Bernard Madoff .Helm , Danko, Manuel, and Hudson should have told Robbie to pack up his Strat and go back to Toronto via Malibu and be done with it .That is exactly what i would have done and my oh my his replacement in THE BAND MR.Jimmie Weider (a fine man who i have met with and spoken about guitars and amps )could play rings and circles around Robbie as if Robbie could have taken all the guitar listens from none other than the master himself Andres Segovia and it would not have improved (not that he plays badly as opposed to his vocal abilities(which with the Band his mic was always turned off because it was all about the three vocalist harmonies) his skills one bit at all. I do have the utmost respect for Mr. Robertson and Mr.Albert Grossman and Mr.Bill Graham all such fine gentelman who Robbie is cut from the same cloth as them .
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TheGreek
To me it's so intresting that the name of The BAND, not Robbie Robertson and the band and yet because ROBBIE did not want to tour anymore because of all of the bad and evil things about the ROAD and then wanted to end The Band which is the most ultimate and uncaring thing someone who claims to be mates with or brothers in arms or anything else that you want to call it, yeah if i were one of the other 4 members of the Band i would have been very despondent about this and not to mention broke and living in the poor house as the other four were because Robbie got all of the publishing royalties and his masterpiece idea of how to cash in with Marty to get that big payday withe the Last Waltz pure genius like a Bernard Madoff .Helm , Danko, Manuel, and Hudson should have told Robbie to pack up his Strat and go back to Toronto via Malibu and be done with it .That is exactly what i would have done and my oh my his replacement in THE BAND MR.Jimmie Weider (a fine man who i have met with and spoken about guitars and amps )could play rings and circles around Robbie as if Robbie could have taken all the guitar listens from none other than the master himself Andres Segovia and it would not have improved (not that he plays badly as opposed to his vocal abilities(which with the Band his mic was always turned off because it was all about the three vocalist harmonies) his skills one bit at all. I do have the utmost respect for Mr. Robertson and Mr.Albert Grossman and Mr.Bill Graham all such fine gentelman who Robbie is cut from the same cloth as them .
what a bunch of junk. the went on without Robbie starting in the early 80's and no one cared and they had 3 albums that at best contain 6-7 good songs total. that's a really bad ratio. Robbie fit the band. just because someone plays better doesn't mean anything.
as far as his singing. I think his voice is just fine and on "out of the blue" he does a great job. his solo stuff his voice is fine for it too.
With all due respect maybe if you had the chance to meet these fine gentleman and spend a little time with them and appreciate there fine vocals and playing skills as i did from so long ago you would feel a little something about them and there plight in life .I know we all do make our own choices in life but my God there voices the three of them were so heavan sent for me to listen to there wonderful (Helm ,Danko, and Manuel) harmonies really grabbed me from such a young age that i would hear there music on the radio when i was a kid before high school and i would always ask who is that song by and i would be told over and over again that it was "The Band"and i did not get that at a early age that someone had a band called "The Band".So i had that sound in my head as a kid and then later on to get to meet them and talk with them and how real and humble and normal down to earth people they were ,so real they just touched me and moved me so much .It just upsets me so much about the hand of cards they were dealt ,the cruel fate of life and how life is not fair .So much pure talent !Quote
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TheGreek
To me it's so intresting that the name of The BAND, not Robbie Robertson and the band and yet because ROBBIE did not want to tour anymore because of all of the bad and evil things about the ROAD and then wanted to end The Band which is the most ultimate and uncaring thing someone who claims to be mates with or brothers in arms or anything else that you want to call it, yeah if i were one of the other 4 members of the Band i would have been very despondent about this and not to mention broke and living in the poor house as the other four were because Robbie got all of the publishing royalties and his masterpiece idea of how to cash in with Marty to get that big payday withe the Last Waltz pure genius like a Bernard Madoff .Helm , Danko, Manuel, and Hudson should have told Robbie to pack up his Strat and go back to Toronto via Malibu and be done with it .That is exactly what i would have done and my oh my his replacement in THE BAND MR.Jimmie Weider (a fine man who i have met with and spoken about guitars and amps )could play rings and circles around Robbie as if Robbie could have taken all the guitar listens from none other than the master himself Andres Segovia and it would not have improved (not that he plays badly as opposed to his vocal abilities(which with the Band his mic was always turned off because it was all about the three vocalist harmonies) his skills one bit at all. I do have the utmost respect for Mr. Robertson and Mr.Albert Grossman and Mr.Bill Graham all such fine gentelman who Robbie is cut from the same cloth as them .
what a bunch of junk. the went on without Robbie starting in the early 80's and no one cared and they had 3 albums that at best contain 6-7 good songs total. that's a really bad ratio. Robbie fit the band. just because someone plays better doesn't mean anything.
as far as his singing. I think his voice is just fine and on "out of the blue" he does a great job. his solo stuff his voice is fine for it too.
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TheGreekWith all due respect maybe if you had the chance to meet these fine gentleman and spend a little time with them and appreciate there fine vocals and playing skills as i did from so long ago you would feel a little something about them and there plight in life .I know we all do make our own choices in life but my God there voices the three of them were so heavan sent for me to listen to there wonderful (Helm ,Danko, and Manuel) harmonies really grabbed me from such a young age that i would hear there music on the radio when i was a kid before high school and i would always ask who is that song by and i would be told over and over again that it was "The Band"and i did not get that at a early age that someone had a band called "The Band".So i had that sound in my head as a kid and then later on to get to meet them and talk with them and how real and humble and normal down to earth people they were ,so real they just touched me and moved me so much .It just upsets me so much about the hand of cards they were dealt ,the cruel fate of life and how life is not fair .So much pure talent !Quote
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TheGreek
To me it's so intresting that the name of The BAND, not Robbie Robertson and the band and yet because ROBBIE did not want to tour anymore because of all of the bad and evil things about the ROAD and then wanted to end The Band which is the most ultimate and uncaring thing someone who claims to be mates with or brothers in arms or anything else that you want to call it, yeah if i were one of the other 4 members of the Band i would have been very despondent about this and not to mention broke and living in the poor house as the other four were because Robbie got all of the publishing royalties and his masterpiece idea of how to cash in with Marty to get that big payday withe the Last Waltz pure genius like a Bernard Madoff .Helm , Danko, Manuel, and Hudson should have told Robbie to pack up his Strat and go back to Toronto via Malibu and be done with it .That is exactly what i would have done and my oh my his replacement in THE BAND MR.Jimmie Weider (a fine man who i have met with and spoken about guitars and amps )could play rings and circles around Robbie as if Robbie could have taken all the guitar listens from none other than the master himself Andres Segovia and it would not have improved (not that he plays badly as opposed to his vocal abilities(which with the Band his mic was always turned off because it was all about the three vocalist harmonies) his skills one bit at all. I do have the utmost respect for Mr. Robertson and Mr.Albert Grossman and Mr.Bill Graham all such fine gentelman who Robbie is cut from the same cloth as them .
what a bunch of junk. the went on without Robbie starting in the early 80's and no one cared and they had 3 albums that at best contain 6-7 good songs total. that's a really bad ratio. Robbie fit the band. just because someone plays better doesn't mean anything.
as far as his singing. I think his voice is just fine and on "out of the blue" he does a great job. his solo stuff his voice is fine for it too.
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TheGreekWith all due respect maybe if you had the chance to meet these fine gentleman and spend a little time with them and appreciate there fine vocals and playing skills as i did from so long ago you would feel a little something about them and there plight in life .I know we all do make our own choices in life but my God there voices the three of them were so heavan sent for me to listen to there wonderful (Helm ,Danko, and Manuel) harmonies really grabbed me from such a young age that i would hear there music on the radio when i was a kid before high school and i would always ask who is that song by and i would be told over and over again that it was "The Band"and i did not get that at a early age that someone had a band called "The Band".So i had that sound in my head as a kid and then later on to get to meet them and talk with them and how real and humble and normal down to earth people they were ,so real they just touched me and moved me so much .It just upsets me so much about the hand of cards they were dealt ,the cruel fate of life and how life is not fair .So much pure talent !Quote
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TheGreek
To me it's so intresting that the name of The BAND, not Robbie Robertson and the band and yet because ROBBIE did not want to tour anymore because of all of the bad and evil things about the ROAD and then wanted to end The Band which is the most ultimate and uncaring thing someone who claims to be mates with or brothers in arms or anything else that you want to call it, yeah if i were one of the other 4 members of the Band i would have been very despondent about this and not to mention broke and living in the poor house as the other four were because Robbie got all of the publishing royalties and his masterpiece idea of how to cash in with Marty to get that big payday withe the Last Waltz pure genius like a Bernard Madoff .Helm , Danko, Manuel, and Hudson should have told Robbie to pack up his Strat and go back to Toronto via Malibu and be done with it .That is exactly what i would have done and my oh my his replacement in THE BAND MR.Jimmie Weider (a fine man who i have met with and spoken about guitars and amps )could play rings and circles around Robbie as if Robbie could have taken all the guitar listens from none other than the master himself Andres Segovia and it would not have improved (not that he plays badly as opposed to his vocal abilities(which with the Band his mic was always turned off because it was all about the three vocalist harmonies) his skills one bit at all. I do have the utmost respect for Mr. Robertson and Mr.Albert Grossman and Mr.Bill Graham all such fine gentelman who Robbie is cut from the same cloth as them .
what a bunch of junk. the went on without Robbie starting in the early 80's and no one cared and they had 3 albums that at best contain 6-7 good songs total. that's a really bad ratio. Robbie fit the band. just because someone plays better doesn't mean anything.
as far as his singing. I think his voice is just fine and on "out of the blue" he does a great job. his solo stuff his voice is fine for it too.
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Rockman
He plays some scoldering stuff on John Hammond Jnr's - So Many Roads
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Rockman
He plays some scoldering stuff on John Hammond Jnr's - So Many Roads
Don't forget he's also on Hammond's LP "I Can Tell" where he is backed on a couple of songs by Bill Wyman ( so this post is no longer "OT" ) !
But for me the Hawks and especially Robbie's finest moment was in 1963,
when they recorded "Who Do You Love" .
One of the best rock'n'roll singles - ever!
Is there a word about these sssions in the book?
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RollingFreak
I don't disagree with you, but in the end that is what they did is continue on without Robbie. And no one really cared. Would that maybe have been different if they didn't have a whole sendoff to Robbie with the Last Waltz and more quietly made a transition? Maybe. But in the end, they didn't do anything worth noting after Robbie left. I'd give them more credit if they had good material when he left and continued on. But from my view it seemed like Robbie and the talent left when he did so in that regard its hard for me to blame Robbie. Yeah he got the better end of the deal, but they did continue on without him and it didn't mean much. Its not like he really prevented them from doing anything. He wanted out.
Just because someone is more successful financially doesn't mean anything .And no one cared after the 80's? How about 3 fine albums,which don't rank with their best,but neither does Robbie's solo stuff.The Band yes with a capital "T" is the ultimate example of the whole being greater than the sum of it's parts.Quote
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TheGreek
To me it's so intresting that the name of The BAND, not Robbie Robertson and the band and yet because ROBBIE did not want to tour anymore because of all of the bad and evil things about the ROAD and then wanted to end The Band which is the most ultimate and uncaring thing someone who claims to be mates with or brothers in arms or anything else that you want to call it, yeah if i were one of the other 4 members of the Band i would have been very despondent about this and not to mention broke and living in the poor house as the other four were because Robbie got all of the publishing royalties and his masterpiece idea of how to cash in with Marty to get that big payday withe the Last Waltz pure genius like a Bernard Madoff .Helm , Danko, Manuel, and Hudson should have told Robbie to pack up his Strat and go back to Toronto via Malibu and be done with it .That is exactly what i would have done and my oh my his replacement in THE BAND MR.Jimmie Weider (a fine man who i have met with and spoken about guitars and amps )could play rings and circles around Robbie as if Robbie could have taken all the guitar listens from none other than the master himself Andres Segovia and it would not have improved (not that he plays badly as opposed to his vocal abilities(which with the Band his mic was always turned off because it was all about the three vocalist harmonies) his skills one bit at all. I do have the utmost respect for Mr. Robertson and Mr.Albert Grossman and Mr.Bill Graham all such fine gentelman who Robbie is cut from the same cloth as them .
what a bunch of junk. the went on without Robbie starting in the early 80's and no one cared and they had 3 albums that at best contain 6-7 good songs total. that's a really bad ratio. Robbie fit the band. just because someone plays better doesn't mean anything.
as far as his singing. I think his voice is just fine and on "out of the blue" he does a great job. his solo stuff his voice is fine for it too.
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jlowe
Why were the other guys financially strapped?
Drugs?
Bad business advice?
Divorce?
Poor recording deals?
You can't blame Robertson for any of the above. Hard working, respected musicians at their level should have a healthy cash flow, by most peoples standards.
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keefriffhard4life
from the steve Hoffman forum about helm's writing ability.
Jules Shear wrote several songs that were to be used in one of the Band's post-Robbie albums and Levon wanted him to split the songwriting royalties with the other Band members so that Jules would get a 1/6th share! Jules said that Rick Danko was the only guy in that post-Robbie Band who had any idea about writing a song.
I'm not sure if I've said it before but at least one of Levon's post-Band collaborators said his notion of what contributions meant songwriting credit was not exactly the standard. If he tossed off a line or had a vague idea, that was worthy of a credit, as opposed to actually writing the song.
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jlowe
Why were the other guys financially strapped?
Drugs?
Bad business advice?
Divorce?
Poor recording deals?
You can't blame Robertson for any of the above. Hard working, respected musicians at their level should have a healthy cash flow, by most peoples standards.
drugs mainly.
robbie even stated before he didn't start making a lot of money until he started doing movie soundtracks
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keefriffhard4life
from the steve Hoffman forum about helm's writing ability.
Jules Shear wrote several songs that were to be used in one of the Band's post-Robbie albums and Levon wanted him to split the songwriting royalties with the other Band members so that Jules would get a 1/6th share! Jules said that Rick Danko was the only guy in that post-Robbie Band who had any idea about writing a song.
I'm not sure if I've said it before but at least one of Levon's post-Band collaborators said his notion of what contributions meant songwriting credit was not exactly the standard. If he tossed off a line or had a vague idea, that was worthy of a credit, as opposed to actually writing the song.
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RollingFreak
I don't disagree with you, but in the end that is what they did is continue on without Robbie. And no one really cared. Would that maybe have been different if they didn't have a whole sendoff to Robbie with the Last Waltz and more quietly made a transition? Maybe. But in the end, they didn't do anything worth noting after Robbie left. I'd give them more credit if they had good material when he left and continued on. But from my view it seemed like Robbie and the talent left when he did so in that regard its hard for me to blame Robbie. Yeah he got the better end of the deal, but they did continue on without him and it didn't mean much. Its not like he really prevented them from doing anything. He wanted out.
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mtaylorTaylor and Levon same notion of songwriting credits!!!!!Quote
keefriffhard4life
from the steve Hoffman forum about helm's writing ability.
Jules Shear wrote several songs that were to be used in one of the Band's post-Robbie albums and Levon wanted him to split the songwriting royalties with the other Band members so that Jules would get a 1/6th share! Jules said that Rick Danko was the only guy in that post-Robbie Band who had any idea about writing a song.
I'm not sure if I've said it before but at least one of Levon's post-Band collaborators said his notion of what contributions meant songwriting credit was not exactly the standard. If he tossed off a line or had a vague idea, that was worthy of a credit, as opposed to actually writing the song.
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roryfaninva
Robertson was clearly supplying the vision (and songs)but always came off as full of himself- certainly not as rootsy and down home like-able as Levon. So Robertson generally gets bad PR from alot of Band fans.
Perusing the credits on the post-Robertson Band stuff tells the tale (not to mention the Jules Shear anecdote). I was under the impression that most successful bands throw the non-writers a percentage point or two of the publishing to keep the peace...but if youre talking about the sound that made them successful, thats a different story. Rick, Levon and Richard made it. Not too dissimilar from a Waters versus Gilmour/Wright/Mason analogy I'd say.
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TheGreek
Grammy Awards, A Grammy Award, or Grammy is an HONOR awarded by the Recording Academy to recognize outstanding ACHIEVEMENT in the mainly English language music industry . GRAMMY'S mean A LOT .