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virgil
Let me put the ticket issue to rest. Saturday August 22nd I picked up my lucky dips at 7pm. Awesome seats for 39.50 section 5. One minute later I jumped to the will call box and canceled my tickets for the 19th right then and there and printed my reciept - $568.20. This was long before the official cancellation of the show was announced. It was also posted to my credit card on line when I checked Sunday morning the 23rd. No more speculation or opinions needed on this one.
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virgil
Let me put the ticket issue to rest. Saturday August 22nd I picked up my lucky dips at 7pm. Awesome seats for 39.50 section 5. One minute later I jumped to the will call box and canceled my tickets for the 19th right then and there and printed my reciept - $568.20. This was long before the official cancellation of the show was announced. It was also posted to my credit card on line when I checked Sunday morning the 23rd. No more speculation or opinions needed on this one.
I was in line at the box office when they opened the day after the cancellation (thursday) and also happily received my refund right then and there.
Where the issue wasn't put to rest however, and caused much confusion, was with the many fans who bought their tix through brokers (stub-hub et al). Their policies apparently call for an official cancellation for a refund to be issued.
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virgil
Let me put the ticket issue to rest. Saturday August 22nd I picked up my lucky dips at 7pm. Awesome seats for 39.50 section 5. One minute later I jumped to the will call box and canceled my tickets for the 19th right then and there and printed my reciept - $568.20. This was long before the official cancellation of the show was announced. It was also posted to my credit card on line when I checked Sunday morning the 23rd. No more speculation or opinions needed on this one.
I was in line at the box office when they opened the day after the cancellation (thursday) and also happily received my refund right then and there.
Where the issue wasn't put to rest however, and caused much confusion, was with the many fans who bought their tix through brokers (stub-hub et al). Their policies apparently call for an official cancellation for a refund to be issued.
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georgeV
I can accept that Mick was not able to perform on the 19th due to laryngitis. I have no way to know if that is actually true but I can see how it could be.
The fact that he performed, and quite well from all reports, 3 days later is fairly surprising if someone actually had laryngitis.
Which brings us to the conspiracy of why the 19th was cancelled. Was it due to lack of sales? Were they desperately trying to prop up sales for the 22nd, which had massive ticket availability leading up to the show date?
I will admit that I am bitter as I one of those people who spent several hundred dollars in travel expenses and lost money on the ticket refund due to foreign exchange issues on the credit card. I was not able, nor was I ever able, to stay for the show on the 22nd so I did not see them at all.
The fact that they performed a private show less than a week later for a billionaire and 200 friends actually disgusts me. Not that I would expect them to reschedule the 19th show for the same Tuesday night but what is their reason for not rescheduling the 19th at all? The Exhibitionism doesn't open until Nov 12, so what was so important that they could not do a rescheduled date in Vegas. They owed that to their fans!
It is quite pathetic and has left a bad impression of this band that I have followed for years and have seen close to 100 times. Sad, Sad, Sad!
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MisterDDDD
Let's revisit the facts.
*The first show was sold (or nearly) sold out.
*Mick got sick due to the brutal conditions of DT2.
(everyone not looking for a conspiracy theory could plainly see/hear)
*Vegas2 was nearly sold out despite the uncertainty one day before showtime.
*Like corp. gigs or not, they had a contractual obligation to play it.
*Re-scheduling Vegas 1 would have logistically been a nightmare.
I drove there and even I would likely not have stayed longer for one more show as I did for Saturdays. The thought that Vegas 1 was cancelled do to poor sales is preposterous. With Saturday already on the books and plenty of seats still available for it, it essentially was the rescheduled date for those that could.
Good Lawd, Mick got sick and had to cancel one show and go very easy on his throat for the next. Get over it.
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MisterDDDD
Let's revisit the facts.
*The first show was sold (or nearly) sold out.
*Mick got sick due to the brutal conditions of DT2.
(everyone not looking for a conspiracy theory could plainly see/hear)
*Vegas2 was nearly sold out despite the uncertainty one day before showtime.
*Like corp. gigs or not, they had a contractual obligation to play it.
*Re-scheduling Vegas 1 would have logistically been a nightmare.
I drove there and even I would likely not have stayed longer for one more show as I did for Saturdays. The thought that Vegas 1 was cancelled do to poor sales is preposterous. With Saturday already on the books and plenty of seats still available for it, it essentially was the rescheduled date for those that could.
Good Lawd, Mick got sick and had to cancel one show and go very easy on his throat for the next. Get over it.
I think several important factors have made this experience MUCH worse than any other show cancellation:
Ticket prices were outrageous. Beyond reach or reason. The majority cost $750+srvc, and going much more for platinum/gold/silver/sapphire/aluminum packages. I'm local LV and was shut out costwise on 10/19 sales, able to score a single $150+srvc for 10/22 for a poor quality seat in sec. 211.
Think on this for a moment: Barbra Streisand tix were $500+srvc top for non-VIP for one show 08/07, with many priced $350 or less (no, I didn't go.) The Stones asking more dollars than 'once in a blue moon Barbra?' There's something deeply wrong with rock n' roll when this is a fact.
I fully believe the 10/19 show was cxl'd because of Mick's laryngitis. It was painfully apparent he was still sick on 10/22. They should have postponed or cxl'd both shows. Having seen my band 24 times over the years, this show ranked badly. I would normally just say 'they're human', but when you get to the point you are charging essentially R/T airfare to Europe for 18 songs (3 by Keith) you've lost me. I'm aware my R/T was to Denver, but the feeling holds.
Waiting till AFTER the second show to cxl the first is inexcusable. That apparently the reason was to honor a 1%'er private show on 10/25 really pushed any remaining goodwill over the edge.
My 'several important factors' actually seem to really be one: My favorite band in the world is a extremely overpriced jukebox.
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MisterDDDD
Let's revisit the facts.
*The first show was sold (or nearly) sold out.
*Mick got sick due to the brutal conditions of DT2.
(everyone not looking for a conspiracy theory could plainly see/hear)
*Vegas2 was nearly sold out despite the uncertainty one day before showtime.
*Like corp. gigs or not, they had a contractual obligation to play it.
*Re-scheduling Vegas 1 would have logistically been a nightmare.
I drove there and even I would likely not have stayed longer for one more show as I did for Saturdays. The thought that Vegas 1 was cancelled do to poor sales is preposterous. With Saturday already on the books and plenty of seats still available for it, it essentially was the rescheduled date for those that could.
Good Lawd, Mick got sick and had to cancel one show and go very easy on his throat for the next. Get over it.
I think several important factors have made this experience MUCH worse than any other show cancellation:
Ticket prices were outrageous. Beyond reach or reason. The majority cost $750+srvc, and going much more for platinum/gold/silver/sapphire/aluminum packages. I'm local LV and was shut out costwise on 10/19 sales, able to score a single $150+srvc for 10/22 for a poor quality seat in sec. 211.
Think on this for a moment: Barbra Streisand tix were $500+srvc top for non-VIP for one show 08/07, with many priced $350 or less (no, I didn't go.) The Stones asking more dollars than 'once in a blue moon Barbra?' There's something deeply wrong with rock n' roll when this is a fact.
I fully believe the 10/19 show was cxl'd because of Mick's laryngitis. It was painfully apparent he was still sick on 10/22. They should have postponed or cxl'd both shows. Having seen my band 24 times over the years, this show ranked badly. I would normally just say 'they're human', but when you get to the point you are charging essentially R/T airfare to Europe for 18 songs (3 by Keith) you've lost me. I'm aware my R/T was to Denver, but the feeling holds.
Waiting till AFTER the second show to cxl the first is inexcusable. That apparently the reason was to honor a 1%'er private show on 10/25 really pushed any remaining goodwill over the edge.
My 'several important factors' actually seem to really be one: My favorite band in the world is a extremely overpriced jukebox.
high prices yes , BUT nearly sold out shows. that says it all. wanted to see them one last time and my wed show got cancelled. they are not spring chickens and micks voice went on the fritz. I took the chance when I bought tix and booked the trip 4 months in advance. bummed , yes . but still a vegas trip for me and the wife. still had a great time. ran into a lot of stones fans. had my picture taken playing the rolling stones slot machine at mgm by a japenese woman. when the japenese woman with her found out I was a stones fan , she insisted I take the japenese magazine she had that was all about the stones with lots of great pix. priceless !! ( I forgot to take it home , left it in the room GRRRRRRR ) all in all I think they are done touring in America and I think I was very lucky to have seen them 12 times . no disappointments here.
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FirstTimeSeattle81
I think several important factors have made this experience MUCH worse than any other show cancellation:
Ticket prices were outrageous. Beyond reach or reason. The majority cost $750+srvc, and going much more for platinum/gold/silver/sapphire/aluminum packages. I'm local LV and was shut out costwise on 10/19 sales, able to score a single $150+srvc for 10/22 for a poor quality seat in sec. 211.
Think on this for a moment: Barbra Streisand tix were $500+srvc top for non-VIP for one show 08/07, with many priced $350 or less (no, I didn't go.) The Stones asking more dollars than 'once in a blue moon Barbra?' There's something deeply wrong with rock n' roll when this is a fact.
I fully believe the 10/19 show was cxl'd because of Mick's laryngitis. It was painfully apparent he was still sick on 10/22. They should have postponed or cxl'd both shows. Having seen my band 24 times over the years, this show ranked badly. I would normally just say 'they're human', but when you get to the point you are charging essentially R/T airfare to Europe for 18 songs (3 by Keith) you've lost me. I'm aware my R/T was to Denver, but the feeling holds.
Waiting till AFTER the second show to cxl the first is inexcusable. That apparently the reason was to honor a 1%'er private show on 10/25 really pushed any remaining goodwill over the edge.
My 'several important factors' actually seem to really be one: My favorite band in the world is a extremely overpriced jukebox.
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FirstTimeSeattle81
I think several important factors have made this experience MUCH worse than any other show cancellation:
Ticket prices were outrageous. Beyond reach or reason. The majority cost $750+srvc, and going much more for platinum/gold/silver/sapphire/aluminum packages. I'm local LV and was shut out costwise on 10/19 sales, able to score a single $150+srvc for 10/22 for a poor quality seat in sec. 211.
Think on this for a moment: Barbra Streisand tix were $500+srvc top for non-VIP for one show 08/07, with many priced $350 or less (no, I didn't go.) The Stones asking more dollars than 'once in a blue moon Barbra?' There's something deeply wrong with rock n' roll when this is a fact.
I fully believe the 10/19 show was cxl'd because of Mick's laryngitis. It was painfully apparent he was still sick on 10/22. They should have postponed or cxl'd both shows. Having seen my band 24 times over the years, this show ranked badly. I would normally just say 'they're human', but when you get to the point you are charging essentially R/T airfare to Europe for 18 songs (3 by Keith) you've lost me. I'm aware my R/T was to Denver, but the feeling holds.
Waiting till AFTER the second show to cxl the first is inexcusable. That apparently the reason was to honor a 1%'er private show on 10/25 really pushed any remaining goodwill over the edge.
My 'several important factors' actually seem to really be one: My favorite band in the world is a extremely overpriced jukebox.
The price is a whole different discussion which is valid but not really relevant to the cancellation issues. As are the corporate gigs which are a sign of the times.I wouldn't really argue in favor of either, but tip my hat as they still lead the industry in earnings per live concert and have for decades.
By the way,
J. Geils Band opening for the band at the Kingdome is one of my all-time favorite concerts...
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FirstTimeSeattle81
I think several important factors have made this experience MUCH worse than any other show cancellation:
Ticket prices were outrageous. Beyond reach or reason. The majority cost $750+srvc, and going much more for platinum/gold/silver/sapphire/aluminum packages. I'm local LV and was shut out costwise on 10/19 sales, able to score a single $150+srvc for 10/22 for a poor quality seat in sec. 211.
Think on this for a moment: Barbra Streisand tix were $500+srvc top for non-VIP for one show 08/07, with many priced $350 or less (no, I didn't go.) The Stones asking more dollars than 'once in a blue moon Barbra?' There's something deeply wrong with rock n' roll when this is a fact.
I fully believe the 10/19 show was cxl'd because of Mick's laryngitis. It was painfully apparent he was still sick on 10/22. They should have postponed or cxl'd both shows. Having seen my band 24 times over the years, this show ranked badly. I would normally just say 'they're human', but when you get to the point you are charging essentially R/T airfare to Europe for 18 songs (3 by Keith) you've lost me. I'm aware my R/T was to Denver, but the feeling holds.
Waiting till AFTER the second show to cxl the first is inexcusable. That apparently the reason was to honor a 1%'er private show on 10/25 really pushed any remaining goodwill over the edge.
My 'several important factors' actually seem to really be one: My favorite band in the world is a extremely overpriced jukebox.
The price is a whole different discussion which is valid but not really relevant to the cancellation issues. As are the corporate gigs which are a sign of the times.I wouldn't really argue in favor of either, but tip my hat as they still lead the industry in earnings per live concert and have for decades.
By the way,
J. Geils Band opening for the band at the Kingdome is one of my all-time favorite concerts...
Your right bv Vegas isn't a normal city but it is the biggest Trade Show place in the world they have the best logistics in the world for show set up's and crews from Freemont and GES which are the largest set up companies in the world they could of put that stage up in a couple day's easily I used to be in the Trade Show biz. That would of been an easy set up just saying.Quote
bv
LV #1 on the 19th was cancelled due to Laryngitis.
LV #2 on the 22th was the last show with the main crew.
Most of the regular touring crew left on Sunday the 23rd.
Foxboro on the 25th was show a scheduled and contracted show, they could not cancel that.
They looked into rescheduling the LV #1 show after the Foxboro date, but bringing in a different crew not knowing the show would be impossible. Also, I can't see how 18,000 people may rearrange travel, work, hotels and come back to Las Vegas for a show on Thursday 27. A tour is about logistics. Las Vegas is not a normal city. Most fans fly in from far away. Most people can not take time off work and book flights on four days notice.
The Rolling Stones owe us nothing. If you feel you have invested your life in the Stones and you expect them to pay back before they retire then sorry it does not work that way. A Rolling Stones show is a product just like an airline ticket or a hotel room. It may be cancelled and then they will refund. Over the years they have cancelled few shows, very, very few cancellations, but when the show is the last one, or close to the end of the tour, like Hanging Rock or LV #1, there is no mercy, they can't do it.
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bv
LV #1 on the 19th was cancelled due to Laryngitis.
LV #2 on the 22th was the last show with the main crew.
Most of the regular touring crew left on Sunday the 23rd.
Foxboro on the 25th was show a scheduled and contracted show, they could not cancel that.
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MisterDDDD
*Like corp. gigs or not, they had a contractual obligation to play it.
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MisterDDDD
I find the notion that they owe or should care about "real fans" (as opposed to fake?) odd. I also find it odd that "real fans" are shocked or outraged.
The time for outrage (if any) was 1981.. as their dominance in the business side of R&R hasn't changed since.
From 1982
The Rolling Stones' 1981 U.S. tour was more than just an artistic triumph. It was also a spectacular financial coup — the headiest windfall in rock & roll history. In its aftermath, Mick Jagger stands revealed as a master career strategist of the first order — the toughest, shrewdest businessman to emerge on the entertainment scene since Bob Hope and Frank Sinatra."
[www.rollingstone.com]
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MisterDDDD
I find the notion that they owe or should care about "real fans" (as opposed to fake?) odd. I also find it odd that "real fans" are shocked or outraged.
The time for outrage (if any) was 1981.. as their dominance in the business side of R&R hasn't changed since.
From 1982
The Rolling Stones' 1981 U.S. tour was more than just an artistic triumph. It was also a spectacular financial coup — the headiest windfall in rock & roll history. In its aftermath, Mick Jagger stands revealed as a master career strategist of the first order — the toughest, shrewdest businessman to emerge on the entertainment scene since Bob Hope and Frank Sinatra."
[www.rollingstone.com]
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bv
LV #1 on the 19th was cancelled due to Laryngitis.
LV #2 on the 22th was the last show with the main crew.
Most of the regular touring crew left on Sunday the 23rd.
Foxboro on the 25th was show a scheduled and contracted show, they could not cancel that.
All shows are scheduled and contracted. They have cancelled shows on recent tours. They could have cancelled the private show if they had needed to.