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The key is actually in your own wording: "music fans".
I think Bob Dylan is a fantastic song-lyric-writer. So is Chuck Berry. And Tom Waits. And Nick Cave. But it's not literature. It's song lyrics. I don't have a problem with Bob Dylan winning the price but I can see how people could be a bit upset about it. In a way, it seems to indicate that real literature is not written anymore, so let's look at song-writers.
It's like giving the physics Nobel prize to Dr. Who. Then again, the peace Nobel price has been given to quite a number of war-mongers, so oh well...
Very well said. Dylan's work is amazing, from simple blues like 'Down Along The Cove' to long-form works like 'Hurricane', so many others ..
The scope of what he's recorded is amazing. Then there are the performances..
Plus the Nobel Peace Prize for Charlie - for being such a cool guy ....
Well said. There is a difference between a poet and a poet backed by a rhythm section. The poet has to generate his own beat.
That must have been amusing...
"So, here is our next entry, are you ready?
[clears throat]:
Dey'll stone ya ven yer at duh brekfiss tabull
Dey'll stone ya ven ju are young und abull
Dey'll stone ya ven ju are tryin' ta make a buck
Dey'll stone ya und den day'll say 'goot luck'...
"Vell, I tink Iyff read enough. Better den having ta read some long, boring old novel. Votes in? Goot! Let's eat..."
Below, Bob's folkies, preparing to serve somebody.
you missed 'Chronicals vol. I' – a real masterpiece!
btw: too bad for the book stores – most of them won't have nothing in stock by Bob Dylan…
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that's ironic...for a massive Bob fan.
The songs he's written during the "Never-ending Tour" years (1988–today) are much better than his work from the 1960s/1970s. But everybody is entitled to an opinion, of course. The opinion that his early work is superior to his later work is an out of date cliché, though, that no longer holds.
That's far out, man...
Stop bragging about your love life.
Damn right you do!
You deserve one for this thread alone, or at least the prize money.
Somebody get the dynamite heirs on the line!!!!
I disagree. I'm a literature professor, for decades, and I would say Dylan is the only musician of his generation whose lyrics stand alone as poetry (and that isn't dissing song lyrics, but acknowledging that, as you suggest, they're a different genre). It's true that the work of a few other songwriters crosses over into poetry, such as Leonard Cohen--but none of them match either the consistency of his poetic power or his incredibly far-reaching influence, on generations of writers (not just song writers). So this is a very well-deserved honor, going to a man who isn't bound by genre or indeed by anything else. And whose very best words aren't matched by anybody else, any time, anywhere.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-10-14 06:19 by Aquamarine.
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Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
matxil
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Date: October 13, 2016 18:43
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whitem8
That is your opinion, and yet again your opinion is so wildly outside of what most music fans agree on. You often just seem so disconnected from reality.
Dylan has written some amazing stuff in the last 20 years. Time Out of Mind, the entire album is brilliant with some of his best writing. Also, don't forget his Autobiography Vol. 1, which was considered universally as brilliant. Congrats Dylan! A true American musical genius.
The key is actually in your own wording: "music fans".
I think Bob Dylan is a fantastic song-lyric-writer. So is Chuck Berry. And Tom Waits. And Nick Cave. But it's not literature. It's song lyrics. I don't have a problem with Bob Dylan winning the price but I can see how people could be a bit upset about it. In a way, it seems to indicate that real literature is not written anymore, so let's look at song-writers.
It's like giving the physics Nobel prize to Dr. Who. Then again, the peace Nobel price has been given to quite a number of war-mongers, so oh well...
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
duke richardson
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Date: October 13, 2016 18:46
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Silver Dagger
The man who shaped modern music and dragged it kicking and screaming away from Tin Pan Alley and into the streets. Everyone including the Stones, The Beatles, The Who and Springsteen owe him for that.
Very well said. Dylan's work is amazing, from simple blues like 'Down Along The Cove' to long-form works like 'Hurricane', so many others ..
The scope of what he's recorded is amazing. Then there are the performances..
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
desertblues68
()
Date: October 13, 2016 18:48
And the silent night will shatter
From the sounds inside my mind
His lyrics are stunning,such beautiful words, they are a form of poetry
Congratulations Bob
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From the sounds inside my mind
His lyrics are stunning,such beautiful words, they are a form of poetry
Congratulations Bob
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-10-13 18:50 by desertblues68.
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
Shezeboss
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Date: October 13, 2016 19:05
His best words ever: WIGWAM !
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
Irix
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Date: October 13, 2016 19:35
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Next year: a Nobel of Economics for Mick? ><
And then Keith gets one for Medicine.
Nobel of Peace for Ron...he was instrmental for the peace agreement between keith and mick in the eighties..
Plus the Nobel Peace Prize for Charlie - for being such a cool guy ....
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
Rank Stranger
()
Date: October 13, 2016 19:50
...don't criticize what you can't understand...
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
Pietro
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Date: October 13, 2016 20:11
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emotionalbarbecue
Faulkner, Bertrand Russell, Sartre, Vicente Aleixandre, Neruda, and
Dylan....
Well said. There is a difference between a poet and a poet backed by a rhythm section. The poet has to generate his own beat.
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
DonParker
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Date: October 13, 2016 21:25
A rapper avant la lettre.
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
RipThisBone
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Date: October 13, 2016 22:03
Great news!
Nobel Prize winner opens for THE ROLLING STONES next friday!
How Does It Feel? Feels GOOD! Just LIKE A ROLLING STONE!
Nobel Prize winner opens for THE ROLLING STONES next friday!
How Does It Feel? Feels GOOD! Just LIKE A ROLLING STONE!
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
dcba
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Date: October 13, 2016 22:25
I'm a massive Bob fan but isn't it ironic to give the litterature Nobel Price to a guy who wrote one book (Tarantula) and not a good one btw.
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
RipThisBone
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Date: October 13, 2016 22:35
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dcba
I'm a massive Bob fan but isn't it ironic to give the litterature Nobel Price to a guy who wrote one book (Tarantula) and not a good one btw.
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
marianna
()
Date: October 13, 2016 22:36
Bob has written some classic lyrics, and I think some of his songs will pass the test of time in that they may be covered and recorded by for decades to come. I'm not sure it warrants a Nobel Prize for literature since it doesn't meet the usual definition for that. But good for him. It may open up the prize to many more people.
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
stone66
()
Date: October 13, 2016 23:16
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dcbaQuote
stone66
Yes, but what do they think of his singing?
Nothing, they just read to each others a compilation of his lyrics... >
That must have been amusing...
"So, here is our next entry, are you ready?
[clears throat]:
Dey'll stone ya ven yer at duh brekfiss tabull
Dey'll stone ya ven ju are young und abull
Dey'll stone ya ven ju are tryin' ta make a buck
Dey'll stone ya und den day'll say 'goot luck'...
"Vell, I tink Iyff read enough. Better den having ta read some long, boring old novel. Votes in? Goot! Let's eat..."
Below, Bob's folkies, preparing to serve somebody.
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
SomeGuy
()
Date: October 13, 2016 23:47
Bob Dylan is, like, the Philip Roth of literature.
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
slewan
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Date: October 13, 2016 23:52
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dcba
I'm a massive Bob fan but isn't it ironic to give the litterature Nobel Price to a guy who wrote one book (Tarantula) and not a good one btw.
you missed 'Chronicals vol. I' – a real masterpiece!
btw: too bad for the book stores – most of them won't have nothing in stock by Bob Dylan…
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-10-13 23:54 by slewan.
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
shortfatfanny
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Date: October 13, 2016 23:54
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slewanQuote
dcba
I'm a massive Bob fan but isn't it ironic to give the litterature Nobel Price to a guy who wrote one book (Tarantula) and not a good one btw.
you missed 'Chronicals vol. I' – a real masterpiece!
that's ironic...for a massive Bob fan.
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
emotionalbarbecue
()
Date: October 14, 2016 00:16
The man who wrote "the times are changing" as one of his most famous verses deserves a Literature Nobel Prize...
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
MrEcho
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Date: October 14, 2016 00:41
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HMS
Grotesque.
For what reason? Please explain.
He hasn´t wrote a single line to deserve this honour in the past three decades.
He´s written good lyrics in the 60s/early 70s, but even that wouldn´t qualify him.
The songs he's written during the "Never-ending Tour" years (1988–today) are much better than his work from the 1960s/1970s. But everybody is entitled to an opinion, of course. The opinion that his early work is superior to his later work is an out of date cliché, though, that no longer holds.
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
crholmstrom
()
Date: October 14, 2016 01:01
Tempest was a brilliant record, IMO
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
Redhotcarpet
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Date: October 14, 2016 01:06
This is a strong stance against Donald Trump from a very Swedish and very political prize committee. I'm absolutely positively 4 sure about this.
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: October 14, 2016 01:12
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Redhotcarpet
This is a strong stance against Donald Trump from a very Swedish and very political prize committee. I'm absolutely positively 4 sure about this.
That's far out, man...
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
Koen
()
Date: October 14, 2016 02:41
And here we go again...
Is it so difficult to leave politics out of this discussion?
Is it so difficult to leave politics out of this discussion?
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: October 14, 2016 02:46
I deserve a peace prize ...
.. I been taming a wild black jungle cat for just on a couple of years now .... Got the bites ta prove it tooooooo
ROCKMAN
.. I been taming a wild black jungle cat for just on a couple of years now .... Got the bites ta prove it tooooooo
ROCKMAN
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
35love
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Date: October 14, 2016 02:49
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Rockman
I deserve a peace prize ...
.. I been taming a wild black jungle cat for just on a couple of years now .... Got the bites ta prove it tooooooo
Stop bragging about your love life.
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: October 14, 2016 02:55
I'm too busy dodging it's claws ta brag ....
ROCKMAN
ROCKMAN
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
Koen
()
Date: October 14, 2016 03:07
And how awesome it is going to be at his concert tonight!
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
HankM
()
Date: October 14, 2016 03:20
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Rockman
I deserve a peace prize ...
.. I been taming a wild black jungle cat for just on a couple of years now .... Got the bites ta prove it tooooooo
Damn right you do!
You deserve one for this thread alone, or at least the prize money.Somebody get the dynamite heirs on the line!!!!
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
stargroover
()
Date: October 14, 2016 04:41
HMS your talking out of your back side boy!
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
stargroover
()
Date: October 14, 2016 04:59
Congratulations Bob.
Feel like falling in love with the first woman I meet,putting her in a wheel barrow and wheeling her down the street.People are crazy and times are strange.
Feel like falling in love with the first woman I meet,putting her in a wheel barrow and wheeling her down the street.People are crazy and times are strange.
Re: OT: Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize in literature
Posted by:
Aquamarine
()
Date: October 14, 2016 06:16
Quote
matxil
I think Bob Dylan is a fantastic song-lyric-writer. So is Chuck Berry. And Tom Waits. And Nick Cave. But it's not literature. It's song lyrics.
I disagree. I'm a literature professor, for decades, and I would say Dylan is the only musician of his generation whose lyrics stand alone as poetry (and that isn't dissing song lyrics, but acknowledging that, as you suggest, they're a different genre). It's true that the work of a few other songwriters crosses over into poetry, such as Leonard Cohen--but none of them match either the consistency of his poetic power or his incredibly far-reaching influence, on generations of writers (not just song writers). So this is a very well-deserved honor, going to a man who isn't bound by genre or indeed by anything else. And whose very best words aren't matched by anybody else, any time, anywhere.
Edited for typos
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-10-14 06:19 by Aquamarine.
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