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After all, the Beatles won 25 Grammy's in their relatively short career in comparison to the Stones.
Bob Dylan has won a total of 18.

Where did you get these numbers from?

I simply typed in "How many times have the Beatles won Grammys" in Google search and it was the first thing to appear - 25.

Beatles

As for Dylan, typed in the same thing "How many times has Bob Dylan won a Grammy" and again it was the first the first thing to appear - 18.

Bob Dylan


As for The Beatles, those totals include the Grammy Hall of Fame in which they won 15, and another win for the Grammy Trustees Award.

MisterDDDD's list/link seems to be missing some wins - for instance Michelle won song of the Year (1966), and Let it Be won for Best Original Score Written for a Motion Picture (1970). I acknowledge wiki is not always accurate, but they show a total of 10 wins (which includes the Lifetime Achievement) along with a slew of other awards (including an Academy Award) - mind boggling.Beatles achievements

These all account for the total numbers in the initial google search, although this totals 26 and not 25 as google states! (10 Grammys, 15 Grammy Hall of Fame, and 1 Grammy Trustee Award)...give or take...

*As for the Stones' win for Love is Strong video - I believe it was for the great video itself (Best Short Form Music Video) and not the song (I could be wrong), and if thats the case the Stones have only won one for music, one for a video, and one for a lifetime achievement.

In contrast, look at Paul McCartney as a solo artist who out of 78 nominations has won 18 times!!! (MACCA)


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edit: Out of curioisty, I typed in "How many Grammys have the Rolling Stones won" in to Google search, and the first thing that appears in 9.

Rolling Stones.

This must also include Grammy Hall of Fame awards.

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Thanks for all of the clarification Dean Goodman!

As I said earlier, the Grammys are not always a true measure of great musicians or great music.

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'Not always a measure of great musicians'.

Well...quite right.
I mean John Lennon (for example) was hardly a 'great musician'. But he had other gifts so rightly got the awards.
I'm sure Keith has never claimed to be a 'great' guitarist, in the technical sense.

Still find it hard to believe that Dylan is up for the best vocalist award...and his competition includes a 91 year old vocalist (certainly not in his prime), one Tony Bennett.
Like the OSCARS, the whole process doesn't always make much sense.

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Weird that The Grammy's own website has errors and omissions..
Either way, The Rolling Stones earned this Grammy imo.. based on the music, not their legacy.

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Hairball
Thanks for all of the clarification Dean Goodman!

As I said earlier, the Grammys are not always a true measure of great musicians or great music.

Which explains how VOODOO LOUNGE won a Grammy.

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'Not always a measure of great musicians'.

Well...quite right.
I mean John Lennon (for example) was hardly a 'great musician'. But he had other gifts so rightly got the awards.
I'm sure Keith has never claimed to be a 'great' guitarist, in the technical sense.

Still find it hard to believe that Dylan is up for the best vocalist award...and his competition includes a 91 year old vocalist (certainly not in his prime), one Tony Bennett.
Like the OSCARS, the whole process doesn't always make much sense.

Well I should have been more clear as I wasn't referring specifically to great musicianship, but more of an all around statement of a great band and/or an artist.
To revise - Not always a measure of great bands and artists.
That said, John Lennon was indeed a great musician - his innovations playing the guitar should not be underestimated, no matter how simple and subtle some of it might seem.
If you get a chance, check out this video by acclaimed guitar player Mike Pachelli: The Genius of John Lennon Guitar by Mike Pachelli
As for Dylan, didn't know he was nominated - goes to show many admire and have respect and appreciation for his skills as a vocalist, although obviously not everyone's cup of tea.
He's been singing great the last few years on both albums and live, and I hope he wins another Grammy (but I also like Tony Bennett).

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Weird that The Grammy's own website has errors and omissions..
Either way, The Rolling Stones earned this Grammy imo.. based on the music, not their legacy.

See Dean Goodman's post above that clarifies any omissions and/or discrepancies.
Not so sure that the Stones truly "earned" this Grammy as it's an album of covers recorded in two or three days.
That said, I hope they win it, and better yet hope they perform a tune from it at the Grammy's!

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Thanks for all of the clarification Dean Goodman!

As I said earlier, the Grammys are not always a true measure of great musicians or great music.

Which explains how VOODOO LOUNGE won a Grammy.

Lol...indeed.
Wonder who they were up against that year?

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'Not always a measure of great musicians'.

Well...quite right.
I mean John Lennon (for example) was hardly a 'great musician'. But he had other gifts so rightly got the awards.
I'm sure Keith has never claimed to be a 'great' guitarist, in the technical sense.

Still find it hard to believe that Dylan is up for the best vocalist award...and his competition includes a 91 year old vocalist (certainly not in his prime), one Tony Bennett.
Like the OSCARS, the whole process doesn't always make much sense.

Well I should have been more clear as I wasn't referring specifically to great musicianship, but more of an all around statement of a great band and/or an artist.
To revise - Not always a measure of great bands and artists.
That said, John Lennon was indeed a great musician - his innovations playing the guitar should not be underestimated, no matter how simple and subtle some of it might seem.
If you get a chance, check out this video by acclaimed guitar player Mike Pachelli: The Genius of John Lennon Guitar by Mike Pachelli
As for Dylan, didn't know he was nominated - goes to show many admire and have respect and appreciation for his skills as a vocalist, although obviously not everyone's cup of tea.
He's been singing great the last few years on both albums and live, and I hope he wins another Grammy (but I also like Tony Bennett).

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Weird that The Grammy's own website has errors and omissions..
Either way, The Rolling Stones earned this Grammy imo.. based on the music, not their legacy.

See Dean Goodman's post above that clarifies any omissions and/or discrepancies.
Not so sure that the Stones truly "earned" this Grammy as it's an album of covers recorded in two or three days.
That said, I hope they win it, and better yet hope they perform a tune from it at the Grammy's!

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Thanks for all of the clarification Dean Goodman!

As I said earlier, the Grammys are not always a true measure of great musicians or great music.

Which explains how VOODOO LOUNGE won a Grammy.

Lol...indeed.
Wonder who they were up against that year?

(Grain of Salt)
According to Wikipedia:
Pearl Jam – Vs.
R.E.M. – Monster
Soundgarden – Superunknown
Neil Young and Crazy Horse – Sleeps with Angels

Peace,
Mr DJA

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'Not always a measure of great musicians'.

Well...quite right.
I mean John Lennon (for example) was hardly a 'great musician'. But he had other gifts so rightly got the awards.
I'm sure Keith has never claimed to be a 'great' guitarist, in the technical sense.

Still find it hard to believe that Dylan is up for the best vocalist award...and his competition includes a 91 year old vocalist (certainly not in his prime), one Tony Bennett.
Like the OSCARS, the whole process doesn't always make much sense.

Well I should have been more clear as I wasn't referring specifically to great musicianship, but more of an all around statement of a great band and/or an artist.
To revise - Not always a measure of great bands and artists.
That said, John Lennon was indeed a great musician - his innovations playing the guitar should not be underestimated, no matter how simple and subtle some of it might seem.
If you get a chance, check out this video by acclaimed guitar player Mike Pachelli: The Genius of John Lennon Guitar by Mike Pachelli
As for Dylan, didn't know he was nominated - goes to show many admire and have respect and appreciation for his skills as a vocalist, although obviously not everyone's cup of tea.
He's been singing great the last few years on both albums and live, and I hope he wins another Grammy (but I also like Tony Bennett).

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Weird that The Grammy's own website has errors and omissions..
Either way, The Rolling Stones earned this Grammy imo.. based on the music, not their legacy.

See Dean Goodman's post above that clarifies any omissions and/or discrepancies.
Not so sure that the Stones truly "earned" this Grammy as it's an album of covers recorded in two or three days.
That said, I hope they win it, and better yet hope they perform a tune from it at the Grammy's!

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Thanks for all of the clarification Dean Goodman!

As I said earlier, the Grammys are not always a true measure of great musicians or great music.

Which explains how VOODOO LOUNGE won a Grammy.

Lol...indeed.
Wonder who they were up against that year?

(Grain of Salt)
According to Wikipedia:
Pearl Jam – Vs.
R.E.M. – Monster
Soundgarden – Superunknown
Neil Young and Crazy Horse – Sleeps with Angels

Peace,
Mr DJA

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*groan Was that you Hairball that said
not sure they earn for a few hours work
how about the 50 years of being/bleeding the RS
makes a group then able to summon like no other

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What's even more ridiculous is that SOME GIRLS, of all Stones things they nominated, didn't win.

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*groan Was that you Hairball that said
not sure they earn for a few hours work
how about the 50 years of being/bleeding the RS
makes a group then able to summon like no other

I said I don't think they've "earned" the grammy for B&L due to it being a covers album recorded in two or three days, when you have other nominees that have originals up for the prize.
Now if you want to be charitable and hand the Stones a Grammy based on their legacy and being the Rolling Stones for 50 years - I'm down with that.
The problem is, they already won a lifetime achievement award back in '86!

My vote for Best Traditional Blues album goes to R.L. Boyce - the man is steeped in the blues.

"To properly capture the sound of RL and his friends, you set up the mics, get the hell out of the way and let the hypnotic boogie take over".

R.L. Boyce "R.L.'s Boogie"




Amen.

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PS - And runner up goes to Guy Davis & Fabrizio Poggi.

Guy Davis & Fabrizio Poggi - "Walk On"

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*groan Was that you Hairball that said
not sure they earn for a few hours work
how about the 50 years of being/bleeding the RS
makes a group then able to summon like no other

I said I don't think they've "earned" the grammy for B&L due to it being a covers album recorded in two or three days, when you have other nominees that have originals up for the prize.
Now if you want to be charitable and hand the Stones a Grammy based on their legacy and being the Rolling Stones for 50 years - I'm down with that.
The problem is, they already won a lifetime achievement award back in '86!

My vote for Best Traditional Blues album goes to R.L. Boyce - the man is steeped in the blues.

"To properly capture the sound of RL and his friends, you set up the mics, get the hell out of the way and let the hypnotic boogie take over".

R.L. Boyce "R.L.'s Boogie"




Amen.

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PS - And runner up goes to Guy Davis & Fabrizio Poggi.

Guy Davis & Fabrizio Poggi - "Walk On"

*I bet these are blistering clips, I haven’t viewed them.
I suppose there is no incentive for the Stones to show up and perform, and they won’t.
I wasn’t implying a overlook type Oscar win such as Denzel or Pacino,
Blue & Lonesome stands on it’s own merit for a win.

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*groan Was that you Hairball that said
not sure they earn for a few hours work
how about the 50 years of being/bleeding the RS
makes a group then able to summon like no other

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Jeez, I had no idea who the Stones beat out for their Voodoo Lounge win. That is a clear case of "Hey, these guys are old and famous and everyone knows them...let's just give them one as a stand-in for a lifetime achievement award!"


The Grammys are by far the most worthless of the major artistic annual awards shows.

Oscars generally reward excellent film work year to year. One can quibble with the outcomes, but they tend to at least be in the ballpark when it comes to honoring the best of the film industry.

Same with the Emmys for the most part (can't really comment on the Tonys as I don't follow the industry at all).

The Grammys, on the other hand, seem to pick their nominees out of a hat. It is utterly baffling to see the work that gets nominated and awarded every year.

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*groan Was that you Hairball that said
not sure they earn for a few hours work
how about the 50 years of being/bleeding the RS
makes a group then able to summon like no other

I said I don't think they've "earned" the grammy for B&L due to it being a covers album recorded in two or three days, when you have other nominees that have originals up for the prize.
Now if you want to be charitable and hand the Stones a Grammy based on their legacy and being the Rolling Stones for 50 years - I'm down with that.
The problem is, they already won a lifetime achievement award back in '86!

My vote for Best Traditional Blues album goes to R.L. Boyce - the man is steeped in the blues.

"To properly capture the sound of RL and his friends, you set up the mics, get the hell out of the way and let the hypnotic boogie take over".

R.L. Boyce "R.L.'s Boogie"




Amen.

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PS - And runner up goes to Guy Davis & Fabrizio Poggi.

Guy Davis & Fabrizio Poggi - "Walk On"

*I bet these are blistering clips, I haven’t viewed them.
I suppose there is no incentive for the Stones to show up and perform, and they won’t.
I wasn’t implying a overlook type Oscar win such as Denzel or Pacino,
Blue & Lonesome stands on it’s own merit for a win.

It would be similar to a famous and well established painter submitting a version he or she did of the Mona Lisa to a gallery vs. some other much lesser known artist submitting an original work of art that they poured their heart and soul in to. I'm always rooting for the underdog - especially in this case when the work is original. Would be nice if the Stones win it, but I don't think a compilation of quickly recorded blues covers is really worthy of the win. Just my two cents.

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Jeez, I had no idea who the Stones beat out for their Voodoo Lounge win. That is a clear case of "Hey, these guys are old and famous and everyone knows them...let's just give them one as a stand-in for a lifetime achievement award!"


The Grammys are by far the most worthless of the major artistic annual awards shows.

Oscars generally reward excellent film work year to year. One can quibble with the outcomes, but they tend to at least be in the ballpark when it comes to honoring the best of the film industry.

Same with the Emmys for the most part (can't really comment on the Tonys as I don't follow the industry at all).

The Grammys, on the other hand, seem to pick their nominees out of a hat. It is utterly baffling to see the work that gets nominated and awarded every year.

Just like the Jann Wenner Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ? The Grammy is still the standard bearer for achievement in the recording science industry .What are utter and complete garbage awards to me are the MTV awards, the Peoples Choice Awards, the American Music Awards and the Billboard Awards .

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I said I don't think they've "earned" the grammy for B&L due to it being a covers album recorded in two or three days, when you have other nominees that have originals up for the prize.
Now if you want to be charitable and hand the Stones a Grammy based on their legacy and being the Rolling Stones for 50 years - I'm down with that.
The problem is, they already won a lifetime achievement award back in '86!

My vote for Best Traditional Blues album goes to R.L. Boyce - the man is steeped in the blues.

"To properly capture the sound of RL and his friends, you set up the mics, get the hell out of the way and let the hypnotic boogie take over".


Amen.

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PS - And runner up goes to Guy Davis & Fabrizio Poggi.

Guy Davis & Fabrizio Poggi - "Walk On"

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I said I don't think they've "earned" the grammy for B&L due to it being a covers album recorded in two or three days, when you have other nominees that have originals up for the prize.
Now if you want to be charitable and hand the Stones a Grammy based on their legacy and being the Rolling Stones for 50 years - I'm down with that.
The problem is, they already won a lifetime achievement award back in '86!

My vote for Best Traditional Blues album goes to R.L. Boyce - the man is steeped in the blues.

"To properly capture the sound of RL and his friends, you set up the mics, get the hell out of the way and let the hypnotic boogie take over".


Amen.

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PS - And runner up goes to Guy Davis & Fabrizio Poggi.

Guy Davis & Fabrizio Poggi - "Walk On"

R L Boyce- Roll and Tumble
"This latest collection of songs was recorded over two days. Everything was done on the first take, giving listeners a rare glimpse into the kind of masterful jams that pop up at backyard parties and get-togethers in the Hill Country"
[waxploitation.com]

Guy Davis & Fabrizio Poggi - "Walk On"

Indeed, other than the Davis penned opening title track, these are songs from the Terry-McGhee catalog recorded live in a Milan, Italy studio last June.
[www.elmoremagazine.com]

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That's how real blues albums are made

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I said I don't think they've "earned" the grammy for B&L due to it being a covers album recorded in two or three days"


Agree... just looking for consistency from the critics..

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MisterDDDD you did more research than me!
Have to admit I never heard of either of those two (R L Boyce and Guy Davis) before yesterday, and found a couple videos to listen to - both of which were great!
That said, I stand by my choice - gotta go with the underdogs.

Quote from Co-Producer Luther Dickinson (North Mississippi Allstars) on R.L. Boyce:

"This is the most important honest to God Hill Country Blues Record made since R.L. Burnside's A Ass Pocket Of Whisky".

First choice R.L. Boyce for the win!

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MisterDDDD you did more research than me!
Have to admit I never heard of either of those two (R L Boyce and Guy Davis) before yesterday, and found a couple videos to listen to - both of which were great!
That said, I stand by my choice - gotta go with the underdogs.

Quote from Co-Producer Luther Dickinson (North Mississippi Allstars) on R.L. Boyce:

"This is the most important honest to God Hill Country Blues Record made since R.L. Burnside's A Ass Pocket Of Whisky".

First choice R.L. Boyce for the win!

Well then.If the producer of the album says it's great..
that changes everything

Your (predictable) knee-jerk reaction to discredit the Stones has actually bolstered my opinion that they have earned it and should win going away..

This is the guy's second ever album, while I'm sure it's good, the Stones were recording and emerging themselves in the blues while this guy was in short pants.