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When You're Gone would've been better if Mick had... put a little more work into the vocals - they're awful. Otherwise it's a great tune.
AFTERMATH is a great album but it seems to not hold up to be one of their greatest like The Big 6.
Well, fortunately you're not a music historian nor do any have your idiotic ideas as well as your ability to like bad music and not be able to hear good music. Current music historians not only agree, they think it themselves: those albums are great. Their orders of greatness don't matter. Some of them even include AFTERMATH. In fact, some critics have an odd way of viewing EOMS with something you say it's too full of yet this dude articulates exactly why it's not a bad thing:
The great songs don’t really work as a barometer. You know what does? Filler. No matter where a Stones album sits on the spectrum, it’s bound to include some filler: jams, goofs, pastiches, bizarre meanderings, etc. Yes, even the hallowed Exile on Main St. features some filler, it just happens to be excitingly performed, strangely beguiling … well, junk. If the Stones could create glorious transcendence out of “Monkey Man” or find tattered fun in “Far Away Eyes,” their respective albums only improved as a whole. The more killer the filler, the better the record.
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BLUE AND LONESOME will stand out in the discography, especially considering the previous 6 LPs, regardless of it being a covers album. That has zero relevance. As much as even I think UNDERCOVER is a great album in reality I know it's not.
Liking something and understanding something are two things you can't grasp, either naturally or purposely. On top of that you are purposely immune to education of music quality and history.
That is why you (purposely) fail as a Stones fan for thinking SOME GIRLS and EXILE and TATTOO YOU and now BLUE AND LONESOME are not of the greatest Stones albums.
Lol - I wouldn't have wanted to be in the same room with Keith when he found out the truth!
That quote was given right around the time (or prior) to Exile Deluxe being released (May 2010), and LIFE was first published in Oct. 2010.
He might have still had time to add a few nasty anecdotes about someone in LIFE when he found out the truth?
_____________________________________________________________
Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Blue and Lonesome doesn't make it to my Mt. Rushmore. Totally entertaining but no original material. Maybe next years album will qualify!!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-12-20 22:46 by Maindefender.
i would prefer to deny I ever heard it.
Material is moot. It's the intention, the will and the performance.
It's wort zero time if you have a love for good music and good songs.
By all means, if you like sub-standard and zero standard music, listen away.
Don Was would do whatever it takes to make the record sound as good as possible. Every producer does. I think you are suggesting there were overdubs based on what your ears are telling you. And it's impossible for your ears to know.
"Overdubbing" generally means recording a track on top of the existing tracks. But Producers can also take bits and pices from alternate passes (takes) and piece them together and achieve a similar effect. This is the norm these days. It's how records are made. What makes this a little complicated for Was is the fact that the songs were not recorded to a click track and on tape. So if there are extra "parts" they would have likely been pieced together manually. Apart from the piano and percussion sessions previously mentioned.
ah, yes, sorry, forgot you are the authority around here
Rod
It came out before the album.
Ronnie's solo is not «bits and pieces» (it's a track going from «I was talking to my neighbour, and throughout the song) and you said yourself that he did the other guitar track live with Clapton - hence it's an overdub.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-12-21 11:03 by DandelionPowderman.
I agree totally, it's not an issue, but I really don't see the need for painting a different picture, either.
It's within the energy of the backing tracks the greatness of this album is to be found indeed.
Plus no Keith vocals, very close but no Cuban cigar.
Its in the top 5 of my Greatest Stones albums.
Jeroen.
will be hard for the Stones to top this one
Yes, the lack of Keith vocals is the one minus for me...
[....asside from the vinyl being cut just a little too hot...but I said I wouldn't start moaning about that stuff]
Everybody except you knows that Harlem Shuffle, One Hit, Winning Ugly, Dirty Work, Had It With You ARE VERY good songs. You won´t find sub-standard and zero standard music on DW. If you´re looking for that kind of stuff you´ll have to listen to Goats Head Soup, Steel Wheels and Some Girls.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-12-21 13:43 by HMS.
Please no! Not that argument again. It's X-mas time, let's set a "no DW discussion" truce!
I love Keith on vocals as much as the next person ... but in this occasion I'm fine with it. Mick is far superior for Blues singing than Keith is, and Mick is fantastic on every track. If it were a reggae, country, or rock tunes, Keith would surely have had a vocal track.
Talk about your favorite band.
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Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: December 20, 2016 16:56
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HouseBoyKnowsQuote
GasLightStreet
Although they spent months on SOME GIRLS, BLUE AND LONESOME has that kind of vibe going with it - it sounds vibrantly fresh ie different - on the edge of being abrasive. Looking at the amount of material they cut for SOME GIRLS, they were just flinging ideas all over the place.
They did the same with BLUE AND LONESOME only with 12 songs instead of 40 something (being covers obviously had a huge hand in the amount of time it took as well).
Check out When You're Gone from the Some Girls sessions. Or for that matter Down in the Hole. Both would fit right in on B&L. Amazing
HBK
When You're Gone would've been better if Mick had... put a little more work into the vocals - they're awful. Otherwise it's a great tune.
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: December 20, 2016 16:58
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matxilQuote
GasLightStreet
History will support this accurate list of the Stones' greatest albums:
Beggars Banquet
Let It Bleed
Sticky Fingers
Exile On Main Street
Some Girls
Tattoo You
Blue And Lonesome
And Aftermath?
AFTERMATH is a great album but it seems to not hold up to be one of their greatest like The Big 6.
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: December 20, 2016 17:19
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HMSQuote
GasLightStreet
History will support this accurate list of the Stones' greatest albums:
Beggars Banquet
Let It Bleed
Sticky Fingers
Exile On Main Street
Some Girls
Tattoo You
Blue And Lonesome
No historian in the whole wide world would ever agree.
Exile doesn´t belong to their greatest albums for it´s amount of fillers.
Some Girls doesn´t for it´s lack of outstanding songs.
Tattoo You isn´t an "regular" album at all, I´ve told you so many times....
Blue And Lonesome is a very good cover album but it will be forgotten within a few years since historians will always focus on albums of original compositions.
Well, fortunately you're not a music historian nor do any have your idiotic ideas as well as your ability to like bad music and not be able to hear good music. Current music historians not only agree, they think it themselves: those albums are great. Their orders of greatness don't matter. Some of them even include AFTERMATH. In fact, some critics have an odd way of viewing EOMS with something you say it's too full of yet this dude articulates exactly why it's not a bad thing:
The great songs don’t really work as a barometer. You know what does? Filler. No matter where a Stones album sits on the spectrum, it’s bound to include some filler: jams, goofs, pastiches, bizarre meanderings, etc. Yes, even the hallowed Exile on Main St. features some filler, it just happens to be excitingly performed, strangely beguiling … well, junk. If the Stones could create glorious transcendence out of “Monkey Man” or find tattered fun in “Far Away Eyes,” their respective albums only improved as a whole. The more killer the filler, the better the record.
[ultimateclassicrock.com]
BLUE AND LONESOME will stand out in the discography, especially considering the previous 6 LPs, regardless of it being a covers album. That has zero relevance. As much as even I think UNDERCOVER is a great album in reality I know it's not.
Liking something and understanding something are two things you can't grasp, either naturally or purposely. On top of that you are purposely immune to education of music quality and history.
That is why you (purposely) fail as a Stones fan for thinking SOME GIRLS and EXILE and TATTOO YOU and now BLUE AND LONESOME are not of the greatest Stones albums.
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
shattered1978
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Date: December 20, 2016 17:42
Wauw, we're getting into someting really deep here.
Rock n roll, man.
Rock n roll, man.
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: December 20, 2016 17:47
BLUE AND LONESOME stands among EXILE, STICKY FINGERS and TATTOO YOU among others!
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
Hairball
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Date: December 20, 2016 18:40
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GasLightStreetQuote
Hairball
For what it's worth, Keith had also said there were no new Mick Taylor overdubs on Plundered My Soul...
"Richards denies murmurings that Taylor, who left the band in late 1974, contributed overdubs to the reissue package. “That’s a rumor, babe,” he says.
“If he was on there, I would know. We’ve had no contact with Mick for a long time.”' (Guitar World magazine)
HE WOULD KNOW!
Lol - I wouldn't have wanted to be in the same room with Keith when he found out the truth!
That quote was given right around the time (or prior) to Exile Deluxe being released (May 2010), and LIFE was first published in Oct. 2010.
He might have still had time to add a few nasty anecdotes about someone in LIFE when he found out the truth?
_____________________________________________________________
Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
Natlanta
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Date: December 20, 2016 20:07
sorta starting to like DW even tho i can't remember hearing it.
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
Maindefender
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Date: December 20, 2016 22:45
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GasLightStreet
BLUE AND LONESOME stands among EXILE, STICKY FINGERS and TATTOO YOU among others!
Blue and Lonesome doesn't make it to my Mt. Rushmore. Totally entertaining but no original material. Maybe next years album will qualify!!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-12-20 22:46 by Maindefender.
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
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Rip This
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Date: December 21, 2016 02:29
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Natlanta
sorta starting to like DW even tho i can't remember hearing it.
i would prefer to deny I ever heard it.
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
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noughties
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Date: December 21, 2016 03:11
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
duke richardson
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Date: December 21, 2016 04:18
man ...if their upcoming album has the playing and attitude
Blue And Lonesome has .. and that dark, mad sound...
whoooo!
Blue And Lonesome has .. and that dark, mad sound...
whoooo!
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
kowalski
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Date: December 21, 2016 04:47
"Disque du mois" (album of the month) in French magazine Rock & Folk : [www.rocknfolk.com]
They even claim it's the band best album since Exile on Main St...
They even claim it's the band best album since Exile on Main St...
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: December 21, 2016 05:37
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MaindefenderQuote
GasLightStreet
BLUE AND LONESOME stands among EXILE, STICKY FINGERS and TATTOO YOU among others!
Blue and Lonesome doesn't make it to my Mt. Rushmore. Totally entertaining but no original material. Maybe next years album will qualify!!
Material is moot. It's the intention, the will and the performance.
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: December 21, 2016 05:38
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Rip ThisQuote
Natlanta
sorta starting to like DW even tho i can't remember hearing it.
i would prefer to deny I ever heard it.
It's wort zero time if you have a love for good music and good songs.
By all means, if you like sub-standard and zero standard music, listen away.
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
MisterDDDD
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Date: December 21, 2016 06:27
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duke richardson
man ...if their upcoming album has the playing and attitude
Blue And Lonesome has .. and that dark, mad sound...
whoooo!
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
mpj200
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Date: December 21, 2016 08:15
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DandelionPowdermanQuote
Hairball
For what it's worth, Keith had also said there were no new Mick Taylor overdubs on Plundered My Soul...
"Richards denies murmurings that Taylor, who left the band in late 1974, contributed overdubs to the reissue package. “That’s a rumor, babe,” he says.
“If he was on there, I would know. We’ve had no contact with Mick for a long time.”' (Guitar World magazine)
And he plays Satisfaction, Little T+A and other standard tuning-songs in open G
It's touching that people still are believing everything Keith and Ronnie say.
They could be right to a certain extent about not adding many overdubs themselves, though. As mpj200 says, guitar parts and harp parts (isn't some harp parts going while Mick is singing, btw?) could have been from pre-production or from other places in the song.
It's obvious that Ronnie's solo track on Everybody Knows About My Good Thing was overdubbed, though, as his other guitar track is going simultaneously for a while when the solo track starts.
Don Was would do whatever it takes to make the record sound as good as possible. Every producer does. I think you are suggesting there were overdubs based on what your ears are telling you. And it's impossible for your ears to know.
"Overdubbing" generally means recording a track on top of the existing tracks. But Producers can also take bits and pices from alternate passes (takes) and piece them together and achieve a similar effect. This is the norm these days. It's how records are made. What makes this a little complicated for Was is the fact that the songs were not recorded to a click track and on tape. So if there are extra "parts" they would have likely been pieced together manually. Apart from the piano and percussion sessions previously mentioned.
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
bitusa2012
()
Date: December 21, 2016 08:28
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HMS
Tattoo You isn´t an "regular" album at all, I´ve told you so many times....
ah, yes, sorry, forgot you are the authority around here
Rod
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: December 21, 2016 08:39
It came out before the album.
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
Spud
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Date: December 21, 2016 10:54
Quote
duke richardson
man ...if their upcoming album has the playing and attitude
Blue And Lonesome has .. and that dark, mad sound...
whoooo!
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: December 21, 2016 11:02
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mpj200Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
Hairball
For what it's worth, Keith had also said there were no new Mick Taylor overdubs on Plundered My Soul...
"Richards denies murmurings that Taylor, who left the band in late 1974, contributed overdubs to the reissue package. “That’s a rumor, babe,” he says.
“If he was on there, I would know. We’ve had no contact with Mick for a long time.”' (Guitar World magazine)
And he plays Satisfaction, Little T+A and other standard tuning-songs in open G
It's touching that people still are believing everything Keith and Ronnie say.
They could be right to a certain extent about not adding many overdubs themselves, though. As mpj200 says, guitar parts and harp parts (isn't some harp parts going while Mick is singing, btw?) could have been from pre-production or from other places in the song.
It's obvious that Ronnie's solo track on Everybody Knows About My Good Thing was overdubbed, though, as his other guitar track is going simultaneously for a while when the solo track starts.
Don Was would do whatever it takes to make the record sound as good as possible. Every producer does. I think you are suggesting there were overdubs based on what your ears are telling you. And it's impossible for your ears to know.
"Overdubbing" generally means recording a track on top of the existing tracks. But Producers can also take bits and pices from alternate passes (takes) and piece them together and achieve a similar effect. This is the norm these days. It's how records are made. What makes this a little complicated for Was is the fact that the songs were not recorded to a click track and on tape. So if there are extra "parts" they would have likely been pieced together manually. Apart from the piano and percussion sessions previously mentioned.
Ronnie's solo is not «bits and pieces» (it's a track going from «I was talking to my neighbour, and throughout the song) and you said yourself that he did the other guitar track live with Clapton - hence it's an overdub.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-12-21 11:03 by DandelionPowderman.
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
Spud
()
Date: December 21, 2016 11:17
I don't see overdubs as an issue at all...so long as the basic track was recorded with a band playing together as a whole.
It's when the whole bloody thing is cobbled together from folks playing in isolation that the entire spirit of the music & perforamce is lost.
You then get "music by numbers" and very ordinary product.
It's when the whole bloody thing is cobbled together from folks playing in isolation that the entire spirit of the music & perforamce is lost.
You then get "music by numbers" and very ordinary product.
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: December 21, 2016 11:23
Quote
Spud
I don't see overdubs as an issue at all...so long as the basic track was recorded with a band playing together as a whole.
It's when the whole bloody thing is cobbled together from folks playing in isolation that the entire spirit of the music & perforamce is lost.
You then get "music by numbers" and very ordinary product.
I agree totally, it's not an issue, but I really don't see the need for painting a different picture, either.
It's within the energy of the backing tracks the greatness of this album is to be found indeed.
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
Maindefender
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Date: December 21, 2016 12:34
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GasLightStreetQuote
MaindefenderQuote
GasLightStreet
BLUE AND LONESOME stands among EXILE, STICKY FINGERS and TATTOO YOU among others!
Blue and Lonesome doesn't make it to my Mt. Rushmore. Totally entertaining but no original material. Maybe next years album will qualify!!
Material is moot. It's the intention, the will and the performance.
Plus no Keith vocals, very close but no Cuban cigar.
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
runrudolph
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Date: December 21, 2016 12:44
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DandelionPowdermanQuote
Spud
I don't see overdubs as an issue at all...so long as the basic track was recorded with a band playing together as a whole.
It's when the whole bloody thing is cobbled together from folks playing in isolation that the entire spirit of the music & perforamce is lost.
You then get "music by numbers" and very ordinary product.
I agree totally, it's not an issue, but I really don't see the need for painting a different picture, either.
It's within the energy of the backing tracks the greatness of this album is to be found indeed.
Its in the top 5 of my Greatest Stones albums.Jeroen.
will be hard for the Stones to top this one
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
Spud
()
Date: December 21, 2016 13:13
Quote
Maindefender
... no Keith vocals, very close but no Cuban cigar.
Yes, the lack of Keith vocals is the one minus for me...
[....asside from the vinyl being cut just a little too hot...but I said I wouldn't start moaning about that stuff
]Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
teleblaster
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Date: December 21, 2016 13:24
Best Stones album since......bloody ages ago. They sound like...the Stones on form with just the right spark of spontaneity that can push their live shows to another level captured in the studio. I had my doubts about the Stones doing a blues album - and, yes, I do still prefer some of the originals than the versions on B&L - but what a fine job they've done. I reckon it would have been a different outcome if they had spent months on it.
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
HMS
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Date: December 21, 2016 13:31
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GasLightStreet
It's wort zero time if you have a love for good music and good songs.
By all means, if you like sub-standard and zero standard music, listen away.
Everybody except you knows that Harlem Shuffle, One Hit, Winning Ugly, Dirty Work, Had It With You ARE VERY good songs. You won´t find sub-standard and zero standard music on DW. If you´re looking for that kind of stuff you´ll have to listen to Goats Head Soup, Steel Wheels and Some Girls.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-12-21 13:43 by HMS.
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
dcba
()
Date: December 21, 2016 14:45
Quote
HMS
Everybody except you knows that Harlem Shuffle, One Hit, Winning Ugly, Dirty Work, Had It With You ARE VERY good songs.
Please no! Not that argument again. It's X-mas time, let's set a "no DW discussion" truce!
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: December 21, 2016 15:01
HMS (left) and GasLightStreet shaking hands, saying enough is enough... for Christmas
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-12-21 15:54 by DandelionPowderman.
Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by:
LeonidP
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Date: December 21, 2016 17:35
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SpudQuote
Maindefender
... no Keith vocals, very close but no Cuban cigar.
Yes, the lack of Keith vocals is the one minus for me...
I love Keith on vocals as much as the next person ... but in this occasion I'm fine with it. Mick is far superior for Blues singing than Keith is, and Mick is fantastic on every track. If it were a reggae, country, or rock tunes, Keith would surely have had a vocal track.
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