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You sure about Memphis features the whole band?

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Well officially we are finished with Rene’s list of totally of 357 songs started 18th of August 2008...thanks again Rene for you effort on this I know you had a lot of work to do this.

And I want to thank Green Lady for the great Tracking Cookie Index: [iorr.org] ................

Next week I will start with the missing songs of Metamorphosis.........after that I assume the new record is released

What songs are missing?

Then I should have done my homework better I will check it out later and add them.................

"Each and Everyday of the Year"
"I'd Much Rather Be With the Boys"
"Some Things Just Stick in Your Mind"
"Try a Little Harder"
"(Walkin' Thru The) Sleepy City"
"We're Wastin' Time"

Drew

If I'm not mistaken, Da Doo Ron Ron and Memphis Tennessee are missing as well.

Drew is right that are the ones..............I'm not sure about Da Doo Ron Ron to me this is a solo song/attempt...........
And Memphis Tennessee are only available as bootleg never released officially..........maybe the next step to discuss

Both were officially released on The Rest Of The Best.

All those songs were intended for other artists, and it's mostly Mick and other musicians.

So, the two songs I mentioned are in the same category as the Metamorphosis-tracks.

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But there is another version. With two guitars. We had a discussion about this years ago. About who would be playing the harp; if it was Jagger.

Yes, on the BBC version Mick (most likely) is playing harmonica, with Brian and Keith on guitars. Not nearly as great harmonica as on the studio recording...

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(Back to 2120 Sth Michigan Avenue)

FWIW my understanding has always been that the 'short' version only existed because of the then problems of having an artist from one label appear on the recordings of an artist on another.

FWIW my understanding was that the ending was cut off because the lead guitar was Muddy Waters (it sounds to me more like Muddy's style than anything Keith was capable of at the time). Muddy = Chess, Stones = Decca, so not allowed at the time.

FWIW I've always guessed that the 'whoop' Mick gives at the start of the cut off segment was delight at The Great Man sitting in with The Rolling Stones.

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(Back to 2120 Sth Michigan Avenue)

FWIW my understanding has always been that the 'short' version only existed because of the then problems of having an artist from one label appear on the recordings of an artist on another.

FWIW my understanding was that the ending was cut off because the lead guitar was Muddy Waters (it sounds to me more like Muddy's style than anything Keith was capable of at the time). Muddy = Chess, Stones = Decca, so not allowed at the time.

FWIW I've always guessed that the 'whoop' Mick gives at the start of the cut off segment was delight at The Great Man sitting in with The Rolling Stones.

I'm pretty sure it was simply faded because there's limited space on a 45, and even with the fade that side was about 7 minutes, which is pushing it.

As far as Muddy goes, there only seems to be one guitar on the track. It plays rhythm for most of the song, then switches to the solo, then switches back to rhythm. If Muddy played the solo, he played on the whole song, so the legal argument goes out the window anyway.

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Interesting that on the live BBC Sessions version ( [www.youtube.com] ) which is unquestionably Keith, the guitar solo is nothing like the Chess version... May be it was Muddy after all.

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Interesting that on the live BBC Sessions version ( [www.youtube.com] ) which is unquestionably Keith, the guitar solo is nothing like the Chess version... May be it was Muddy after all.

I suppose it's not impossible, but it seems unlikely to me that Keith wouldn't be on the studio version at all.

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Interesting that on the live BBC Sessions version ( [www.youtube.com] ) which is unquestionably Keith, the guitar solo is nothing like the Chess version... May be it was Muddy after all.

I suppose it's not impossible, but it seems unlikely to me that Keith wouldn't be on the studio version at all.

Somebody is playing short sharp rhythmic chords along with the organ from the beginning - that's Keith. Then the rhythm guitar stops around two minutes in, and the solo begins.

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keith is the only guitar AND the song is a direct and full Rip off of Sly Stone's tune Buttermilk.

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keith is the only guitar AND the song is a direct and full Rip off of Sly Stone's tune Buttermilk.

2120 SMA was released in 1964. Buttermilk was released in 1965. So who ripped who off?

Drew

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From WIKI (not sure if it's correct though)

Nanker Phelge (aka Nanker/Phelge) was a collective pseudonym used between 1963 and 1965 for several Rolling Stones group compositions. [1]Stones bassist Bill Wyman explained the origins of the name in his 2002 book, Rolling with the Stones:

Songs credited to Nanker Phelge[edit]

"Stoned" (Oct. 1963) (ASCAP also credits Ian Stewart as co-writer)
"Little by Little" (Feb. 1964) (credited as 'Phelge') (co-written with Phil Spector; ASCAP also credits Ian Stewart as co-writer)
"Andrew's Blues" (Feb. 1964) (unreleased)
"And Mr. Spector And Mr. Pitney Came Too" (Feb. 1964) (an instrumental blues-rock jam with prominent harmonica, unreleased, co-written with Phil Spector) Appears on the Black Box bootleg compilation.
"Now I've Got a Witness" (credited as 'Phelge') (Apr. 1964)
"Stewed and Keefed (Brian's Blues)" (Jun. 1964)
"2120 South Michigan Avenue" (Aug. 1964)
"Empty Heart" (Aug. 1964)
"Off The Hook" (Nov. 1964) (originally credited to "Nanker, Phelge", but now credited to Jagger/Richards by BMI)
"Play with Fire" (Feb. 1965)
"The Under Assistant West Coast Promotion Man" (May 1965)
"The Spider And The Fly" (July 1965) (originally credited to "Nanker, Phelge" but now credited to Jagger/Richards by BMI)
"I'm All Right" (July 1965) (sometimes credited to Phelge/McDaniel, although it is an Ellas McDaniel cover song. Now credited to Jagger/Richards)
"Godzi" (unreleased and unavailable on bootleg, although the song has been registered with BMI)
"We Want The Stones" (actually this is audience cheering on the 1965 Got Live If You Want It! E.P.)

Bill Wyman claims in his books that "Paint It Black" was a collective effort of the group, and should have been credited to Nanker Phelge, but mistakenly was credited to Jagger/Richards in the end.

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Comments, input and alterations are very welcome!
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2120 South Michigan Avenue

Composer: Nanker Phelge (The Rolling Stones)
Recording date: June 1964
Recording location: Chess Studios, Chicago, USA
Producer: Andrew Oldham
Engineer: Ron Malo

First released: 14th August 1964: The Rolling Stones (EP) ‘Five By Five’
Label: Decca DFE 8590

Different versions:
2120 South Michigan Avenue 2:07 EP (1964) and original 12 X 5 album version (1964)
2120 South Michigan Avenue 3:38 LP German album Around and Around (1964) and CD 12 X 5 (2002)


Voice: ?
Drums: Charlie Watts
Bass: Bill Wyman
Harmonica: Brian Jones
Electric guitar: Keith Richards
Tambourine: Mick Jagger
Organ: Ian Stewart


2120 South Michigan Avenue


Ooh...

Hey..



Note: Info taken from TIOMS, NZentgraf and the WW-Internet

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From WIKI (not sure if it's correct though)

Nanker Phelge (aka Nanker/Phelge) was a collective pseudonym used between 1963 and 1965 for several Rolling Stones group compositions. [1]Stones bassist Bill Wyman explained the origins of the name in his 2002 book, Rolling with the Stones:

Songs credited to Nanker Phelge[edit]

"Stoned" (Oct. 1963) (ASCAP also credits Ian Stewart as co-writer)
"Little by Little" (Feb. 1964) (credited as 'Phelge') (co-written with Phil Spector; ASCAP also credits Ian Stewart as co-writer)
"Andrew's Blues" (Feb. 1964) (unreleased)
"And Mr. Spector And Mr. Pitney Came Too" (Feb. 1964) (an instrumental blues-rock jam with prominent harmonica, unreleased, co-written with Phil Spector) Appears on the Black Box bootleg compilation.
"Now I've Got a Witness" (credited as 'Phelge') (Apr. 1964)
"Stewed and Keefed (Brian's Blues)" (Jun. 1964)
"2120 South Michigan Avenue" (Aug. 1964)
"Empty Heart" (Aug. 1964)
"Off The Hook" (Nov. 1964) (originally credited to "Nanker, Phelge", but now credited to Jagger/Richards by BMI)
"Play with Fire" (Feb. 1965)
"The Under Assistant West Coast Promotion Man" (May 1965)
"The Spider And The Fly" (July 1965) (originally credited to "Nanker, Phelge" but now credited to Jagger/Richards by BMI)
"I'm All Right" (July 1965) (sometimes credited to Phelge/McDaniel, although it is an Ellas McDaniel cover song. Now credited to Jagger/Richards)
"Godzi" (unreleased and unavailable on bootleg, although the song has been registered with BMI)
"We Want The Stones" (actually this is audience cheering on the 1965 Got Live If You Want It! E.P.)

Bill Wyman claims in his books that "Paint It Black" was a collective effort of the group, and should have been credited to Nanker Phelge, but mistakenly was credited to Jagger/Richards in the end.

It seems, given reference to some from the time articles etc, that Nanker Phelge, at least on some occasions, also acted as a pseudonym for Jagger/Richard written material that they lacked confidence in/deemed too embarrassing at the time.

This peep is beginning to think the bigger story is even more nuanced than the messy recollections have led us to believe.

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I guess Nanker must have been missing that day.

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George Thorogood did a nice cover:
[www.youtube.com]

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From WIKI (not sure if it's correct though)

Nanker Phelge (aka Nanker/Phelge) was a collective pseudonym used between 1963 and 1965 for several Rolling Stones group compositions. [1]Stones bassist Bill Wyman explained the origins of the name in his 2002 book, Rolling with the Stones:

Songs credited to Nanker Phelge[edit]

"Stoned" (Oct. 1963) (ASCAP also credits Ian Stewart as co-writer)
"Little by Little" (Feb. 1964) (credited as 'Phelge') (co-written with Phil Spector; ASCAP also credits Ian Stewart as co-writer)
"Andrew's Blues" (Feb. 1964) (unreleased)
"And Mr. Spector And Mr. Pitney Came Too" (Feb. 1964) (an instrumental blues-rock jam with prominent harmonica, unreleased, co-written with Phil Spector) Appears on the Black Box bootleg compilation.
"Now I've Got a Witness" (credited as 'Phelge') (Apr. 1964)
"Stewed and Keefed (Brian's Blues)" (Jun. 1964)
"2120 South Michigan Avenue" (Aug. 1964)
"Empty Heart" (Aug. 1964)
"Off The Hook" (Nov. 1964) (originally credited to "Nanker, Phelge", but now credited to Jagger/Richards by BMI)
"Play with Fire" (Feb. 1965)
"The Under Assistant West Coast Promotion Man" (May 1965)
"The Spider And The Fly" (July 1965) (originally credited to "Nanker, Phelge" but now credited to Jagger/Richards by BMI)
"I'm All Right" (July 1965) (sometimes credited to Phelge/McDaniel, although it is an Ellas McDaniel cover song. Now credited to Jagger/Richards)
"Godzi" (unreleased and unavailable on bootleg, although the song has been registered with BMI)
"We Want The Stones" (actually this is audience cheering on the 1965 Got Live If You Want It! E.P.)

Bill Wyman claims in his books that "Paint It Black" was a collective effort of the group, and should have been credited to Nanker Phelge, but mistakenly was credited to Jagger/Richards in the end.

It seems, given reference to some from the time articles etc, that Nanker Phelge, at least on some occasions, also acted as a pseudonym for Jagger/Richard written material that they lacked confidence in/deemed too embarrassing at the time.

This peep is beginning to think the bigger story is even more nuanced than the messy recollections have led us to believe.

What about the Phelge / Spector-credit(s)? That's been bugging me a bit. Who adjoined Spector, and brought half of the pseudonym with him?

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In this article it mentions ”2120 South Michigan Avenue' was named after the address of the renowned studio and was reportedly recorded as an instrumental because Mick Jagger was so nervous performing in front of his musical idols that he forgot the lyrics”

First time I read about potential lyrics to this track and MJ being nervous. Somehow I doubt the latter.

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