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No one does the Stones better than the Stones...especially not KISS.
"Gonna find my way to heaven ..."
Someone that can not tell who the bass player is in the Stones nor what the instrument even is says that Kiss does a better version of 2000 Man than the Stones.
As you just read, that is not possible since that someone clearly can not discern instruments yet alone quality and talent and, as this one closes the garbage can even tighter on, taste.
I mostly agree with you (and obviously, certainly not a cover by a joke-band like KISS; what's next, Cheap Trick?), but if there's one great cover of a Stones song I really love, it's this one by Muddy Waters:
[www.youtube.com]
That´s exactly why I prefer the Kiss-version.
One of the weirdest covers ever (but I like it)..
Wow, yeah! Little Richard's voice is fantastic on this one!
Wow, thanks, this will help me through the day. Some are pretty bad, but fun to listen to (e.g. Johnny Cash with No Expectations)
The Ramones's take on Out Of Time was funny as well
Yellow card. Anymore trouble and yer off!
I'm living on the edge?
There's the difference between a band like The Rolling Stones and a band like KISS - nuance. KISS is a decent hard rock band, good at straight ahead party rock. I have KISS Alive in my "favorites" playlist. So much more than just a rock band, the Stones are artists....masters of nuance and expression....There is a world of difference.
"Gonna find my way to heaven ..."
The Stones had a more profound relationship with blues, rhythm & blues, soul and 50s rock. That shines through in how they approach music in general.
The next generation rock bands probably had the same relationship to the Stones's music, hence something important got lost along the way.
Just my two cents
Keith was right in saying things like, if you want to play any kind of rock or popular music, you need to go back get into the blues first. Makes sense as Blues music is very simple. How many blues songs have the exact same chord pattern? But what makes each song unique is the feeling and emotion that comes across. I find that a lot of basic hard rock bands like KISS never quite learned how to convey emotions in their music. Keith was right.
"Gonna find my way to heaven ..."
Makes sense as Blues music is very simple. How many blues songs have the exact same chord pattern?
it seems simple...
but have a listen to Jimmy Reed's playing, or Elizabeth Cotten's fingerpicking..
its not as simple as it seems..but the musical form is a simple one, like most folk styles...thats true.
I meant that blues is very simple in terms of the chord patterns it's based on. Obviously, when a master musician is soloing over a simple blues pattern, what he's playing can be quite complex. I should have clarified that I was just referring to blues chord patterns, which - despite -several variations - are often quite similar.
"Gonna find my way to heaven ..."
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Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
HonkeyTonkFlash
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Date: September 20, 2016 16:58
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HMS
Average tune, imo.
Kiss did a better version on their Dynasty-album in 1979. Back in 1980 I´ve stolen Dynasty on cassette at the local record shop and it was the first time I´ve heard that song. Didn´t get to know the original until the mid-80s. There are songs more interesting on TSMR.
Your opinion is not valid, especially the one that thinks that Kiss "did a better version".
No one does the Stones better than the Stones...especially not KISS.
"Gonna find my way to heaven ..."
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: September 20, 2016 17:00
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HonkeyTonkFlashQuote
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HMS
Average tune, imo.
Kiss did a better version on their Dynasty-album in 1979. Back in 1980 I´ve stolen Dynasty on cassette at the local record shop and it was the first time I´ve heard that song. Didn´t get to know the original until the mid-80s. There are songs more interesting on TSMR.
Your opinion is not valid, especially the one that thinks that Kiss "did a better version".
No one does the Stones better than the Stones...especially not KISS.
Someone that can not tell who the bass player is in the Stones nor what the instrument even is says that Kiss does a better version of 2000 Man than the Stones.
As you just read, that is not possible since that someone clearly can not discern instruments yet alone quality and talent and, as this one closes the garbage can even tighter on, taste.
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
HMS
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Date: September 20, 2016 18:11
I enjoy Kiss´ version a lot more than the original. So what?
The best version of any song is the one I like most. So Kiss did a "better" version of it. That opinion is no sacrilege.
The best version of any song is the one I like most. So Kiss did a "better" version of it. That opinion is no sacrilege.
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: September 20, 2016 18:16
Your opinion is baseless: it's your opinion.
The musical aspects of the Stones' version is the sun where as Kiss' version is Pluto.
The musical aspects of the Stones' version is the sun where as Kiss' version is Pluto.
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
Rockman
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Date: September 20, 2016 23:59
OH DEAR .... Kiss turn it inta a sing along FM rock song ...
................ Doubt the Stones will ever cover a Kiss track
ROCKMAN
................ Doubt the Stones will ever cover a Kiss track
ROCKMAN
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: September 21, 2016 02:55
The Kiss and related covers are shit. Completely devoid of the freak, magic and wonder of the original.
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
mandu
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Date: September 21, 2016 03:07
I like the kiss version better as well
Feel The Fear
And Do It Anyway
Feel The Fear
And Do It Anyway
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
StonesCat
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Date: September 21, 2016 04:21
As do I, the unplugged version is surprisingly good, and I'm no KISS fan.
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: September 21, 2016 06:08
The sin bin for you two! 
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: September 21, 2016 09:57
The Kiss-version is a good, straight rock-take on it, but the original is so much more! All the nuances and exciting stuff were gone, although I like Ace's voice and attitude on it.
The Stones's 2000 Man is like a freaky train coming your way, again and again, to pick you up. Kiss just played it as good as they could. Main difference, imo.
The Stones's 2000 Man is like a freaky train coming your way, again and again, to pick you up. Kiss just played it as good as they could. Main difference, imo.
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
HonkeyTonkFlash
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Date: September 21, 2016 11:20
I don't think I've ever heard a Stones cover that I liked more than the Stones own version. But hey - the Stones are my favorite band so of course I'll like their versions best. 
"Gonna find my way to heaven ..."
"Gonna find my way to heaven ..."
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
matxil
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Date: September 21, 2016 11:34
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HonkeyTonkFlash
I don't think I've ever heard a Stones cover that I liked more than the Stones own version. But hey - the Stones are my favorite band so of course I'll like their versions best.
I mostly agree with you (and obviously, certainly not a cover by a joke-band like KISS; what's next, Cheap Trick?), but if there's one great cover of a Stones song I really love, it's this one by Muddy Waters:
[www.youtube.com]
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
HMS
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Date: September 21, 2016 12:30
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DandelionPowderman
The Kiss-version is a good, straight rock-take on it
That´s exactly why I prefer the Kiss-version.
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: September 21, 2016 12:36
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matxilQuote
HonkeyTonkFlash
I don't think I've ever heard a Stones cover that I liked more than the Stones own version. But hey - the Stones are my favorite band so of course I'll like their versions best.
I mostly agree with you (and obviously, certainly not a cover by a joke-band like KISS; what's next, Cheap Trick?), but if there's one great cover of a Stones song I really love, it's this one by Muddy Waters:
[www.youtube.com]
One of the weirdest covers ever (but I like it)..
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: September 21, 2016 12:39
There are 117 RS covers on this YouTube playlist [www.youtube.com]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-09-21 12:39 by DandelionPowderman.
[www.youtube.com]Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-09-21 12:39 by DandelionPowderman.
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
with sssoul
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Date: September 21, 2016 13:39
Beautiful track. Laying groundwork. I love the Rolling Stones
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
matxil
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Date: September 21, 2016 13:47
Wow, yeah! Little Richard's voice is fantastic on this one!
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
matxil
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Date: September 21, 2016 13:49
Wow, thanks, this will help me through the day. Some are pretty bad, but fun to listen to (e.g. Johnny Cash with No Expectations)
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: September 21, 2016 14:28
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matxil
Wow, thanks, this will help me through the day. Some are pretty bad, but fun to listen to (e.g. Johnny Cash with No Expectations)
The Ramones's take on Out Of Time was funny as well
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: September 22, 2016 04:45
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DandelionPowderman
The Kiss-version is a good, straight rock-take on it, but the original is so much more! All the nuances and exciting stuff were gone, although I like Ace's voice and attitude on it.
The Stones's 2000 Man is like a freaky train coming your way, again and again, to pick you up. Kiss just played it as good as they could. Main difference, imo.
Yellow card. Anymore trouble and yer off!
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: September 22, 2016 08:41
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His MajestyQuote
DandelionPowderman
The Kiss-version is a good, straight rock-take on it, but the original is so much more! All the nuances and exciting stuff were gone, although I like Ace's voice and attitude on it.
The Stones's 2000 Man is like a freaky train coming your way, again and again, to pick you up. Kiss just played it as good as they could. Main difference, imo.
Yellow card. Anymore trouble and yer off!
I'm living on the edge?
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
HonkeyTonkFlash
()
Date: September 22, 2016 12:28
Quote
DandelionPowderman
The Kiss-version is a good, straight rock-take on it, but the original is so much more! All the nuances and exciting stuff were gone, although I like Ace's voice and attitude on it.
The Stones's 2000 Man is like a freaky train coming your way, again and again, to pick you up. Kiss just played it as good as they could. Main difference, imo.
There's the difference between a band like The Rolling Stones and a band like KISS - nuance. KISS is a decent hard rock band, good at straight ahead party rock. I have KISS Alive in my "favorites" playlist. So much more than just a rock band, the Stones are artists....masters of nuance and expression....There is a world of difference.
"Gonna find my way to heaven ..."
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: September 22, 2016 12:35
Quote
HonkeyTonkFlashQuote
DandelionPowderman
The Kiss-version is a good, straight rock-take on it, but the original is so much more! All the nuances and exciting stuff were gone, although I like Ace's voice and attitude on it.
The Stones's 2000 Man is like a freaky train coming your way, again and again, to pick you up. Kiss just played it as good as they could. Main difference, imo.
There's the difference between a band like The Rolling Stones and a band like KISS - nuance. KISS is a decent hard rock band, good at straight ahead party rock. I have KISS Alive in my "favorites" playlist. So much more than just a rock band, the Stones are artists....masters of nuance and expression....There is a world of difference.
The Stones had a more profound relationship with blues, rhythm & blues, soul and 50s rock. That shines through in how they approach music in general.
The next generation rock bands probably had the same relationship to the Stones's music, hence something important got lost along the way.
Just my two cents
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
HonkeyTonkFlash
()
Date: September 22, 2016 12:44
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DandelionPowdermanQuote
HonkeyTonkFlashQuote
DandelionPowderman
The Kiss-version is a good, straight rock-take on it, but the original is so much more! All the nuances and exciting stuff were gone, although I like Ace's voice and attitude on it.
The Stones's 2000 Man is like a freaky train coming your way, again and again, to pick you up. Kiss just played it as good as they could. Main difference, imo.
There's the difference between a band like The Rolling Stones and a band like KISS - nuance. KISS is a decent hard rock band, good at straight ahead party rock. I have KISS Alive in my "favorites" playlist. So much more than just a rock band, the Stones are artists....masters of nuance and expression....There is a world of difference.
The Stones had a more profound relationship with blues, rhythm & blues, soul and 50s rock. That shines through in how they approach music in general.
The next generation rock bands probably had the same relationship to the Stones's music, hence something important got lost along the way.
Just my two cents
Keith was right in saying things like, if you want to play any kind of rock or popular music, you need to go back get into the blues first. Makes sense as Blues music is very simple. How many blues songs have the exact same chord pattern? But what makes each song unique is the feeling and emotion that comes across. I find that a lot of basic hard rock bands like KISS never quite learned how to convey emotions in their music. Keith was right.
"Gonna find my way to heaven ..."
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: September 22, 2016 15:40
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DandelionPowderman
I'm living on the edge?
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
duke richardson
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Date: September 22, 2016 16:40
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HonkeyTonkFlashQuote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
HonkeyTonkFlashQuote
DandelionPowderman
The Kiss-version is a good, straight rock-take on it, but the original is so much more! All the nuances and exciting stuff were gone, although I like Ace's voice and attitude on it.
The Stones's 2000 Man is like a freaky train coming your way, again and again, to pick you up. Kiss just played it as good as they could. Main difference, imo.
There's the difference between a band like The Rolling Stones and a band like KISS - nuance. KISS is a decent hard rock band, good at straight ahead party rock. I have KISS Alive in my "favorites" playlist. So much more than just a rock band, the Stones are artists....masters of nuance and expression....There is a world of difference.
The Stones had a more profound relationship with blues, rhythm & blues, soul and 50s rock. That shines through in how they approach music in general.
The next generation rock bands probably had the same relationship to the Stones's music, hence something important got lost along the way.
Just my two cents
Keith was right in saying things like, if you want to play any kind of rock or popular music, you need to go back get into the blues first. Makes sense as Blues music is very simple. How many blues songs have the exact same chord pattern? But what makes each song unique is the feeling and emotion that comes across. I find that a lot of basic hard rock bands like KISS never quite learned how to convey emotions in their music. Keith was right.
Makes sense as Blues music is very simple. How many blues songs have the exact same chord pattern?
it seems simple...
but have a listen to Jimmy Reed's playing, or Elizabeth Cotten's fingerpicking..
its not as simple as it seems..but the musical form is a simple one, like most folk styles...thats true.
Re: Track Talk: 2000 Man (New)
Posted by:
HonkeyTonkFlash
()
Date: September 22, 2016 18:28
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duke richardsonQuote
HonkeyTonkFlashQuote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
HonkeyTonkFlashQuote
DandelionPowderman
The Kiss-version is a good, straight rock-take on it, but the original is so much more! All the nuances and exciting stuff were gone, although I like Ace's voice and attitude on it.
The Stones's 2000 Man is like a freaky train coming your way, again and again, to pick you up. Kiss just played it as good as they could. Main difference, imo.
There's the difference between a band like The Rolling Stones and a band like KISS - nuance. KISS is a decent hard rock band, good at straight ahead party rock. I have KISS Alive in my "favorites" playlist. So much more than just a rock band, the Stones are artists....masters of nuance and expression....There is a world of difference.
The Stones had a more profound relationship with blues, rhythm & blues, soul and 50s rock. That shines through in how they approach music in general.
The next generation rock bands probably had the same relationship to the Stones's music, hence something important got lost along the way.
Just my two cents
Keith was right in saying things like, if you want to play any kind of rock or popular music, you need to go back get into the blues first. Makes sense as Blues music is very simple. How many blues songs have the exact same chord pattern? But what makes each song unique is the feeling and emotion that comes across. I find that a lot of basic hard rock bands like KISS never quite learned how to convey emotions in their music. Keith was right.
Makes sense as Blues music is very simple. How many blues songs have the exact same chord pattern?
it seems simple...
but have a listen to Jimmy Reed's playing, or Elizabeth Cotten's fingerpicking..
its not as simple as it seems..but the musical form is a simple one, like most folk styles...thats true.
I meant that blues is very simple in terms of the chord patterns it's based on. Obviously, when a master musician is soloing over a simple blues pattern, what he's playing can be quite complex. I should have clarified that I was just referring to blues chord patterns, which - despite -several variations - are often quite similar.
"Gonna find my way to heaven ..."
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