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Rolling Stone Magazine panned the Some Girls album and headlined a tour revue with THE LAST TIME? By the time the '81 Tour rolled around they were again lionizing the band. Journalists come and go. Let's Spend the Night Together is actually the weakest of the Hampton/LSTNT/Leeds DVDs. I like that period from '78 to '82 because Keith & Ronnie felt comfortable to improvise a bit because Charlie and especially Bill were always there to nail the melody. And unlike your average bass player, Bill could improvise a bit himself, playing unexpected notes, or not playing a line when expected, thereby increasing the tension for when the line returned. Great stuff.
Yep, just listen to the way they jammed on songs like Black Limousine, Imagination and Let It Bleed for example. Ron and Keith were soaring as was Ernie Watts. Bill Wyman was hopping all over the fretboard with his signature style, all anchored by Charlie Watts. And there was Ian Stewart boogieing away with his jangley chops in the background, a far cry from the staid plink-plonk of Chuck Leavell. Those were the glory days...at least of the Ron Wood era. Ron Wood was also great back in 1975 but Mick's vocal style damaged that era for me. In 1978 and 1981, they were a tight-but-loose jamming machine reading each other's unspoken signals with laser-sharp focus. Yes, it's been said to death here but 1982 was the end of that era. Mick knew they had to become formulaic to appeal to casual fans who wanted to hear the songs the way they were familiar with them..and because the same free spirit that led to such glorious playing could also lead to some trainwrecks. But I loved the Stones of that era, Trainwrecks and all. Still love the Stones and respect Chuck for doing his job well, but in my opinion, as a piano player Chuck can't shine Stu's shoes. And yes, I know Stu recommended Chuck....Don't now what he was thinking. Chuck has been great for the business, bad for the art.
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Therefore I'd say: Gimme more of that "garage-band-standard", "@#$%&-up Keith intros", "messy solos by Ronnie and Keith", "plain bad playing" and constant "stumbling" ANY TIME!!!
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Therefore I'd say: Gimme more of that "garage-band-standard", "@#$%&-up Keith intros", "messy solos by Ronnie and Keith", "plain bad playing" and constant "stumbling" ANY TIME!!!
I'm not interested in musicians mistakes, but their abilities. It's sad to read that the average stones fan is interested in the garage band sound and the rock and roll drugged out looking Keith and Wood. That's the height of infantile fandom, imo.
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TheGreekyou do realise that when you slam Bobby Keys that he invented the solo on Brown Sugar and so many other (such as the sax solo before Mick Taylors solo on cant you hear me knocking) ICONIC solos on Stones albums from the GOLDEN era ? What recorded contribution did Karl Denson make ? (by the way he blows some tasty horn no if ands or buts)Quote
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Let the Stones play a 300-seats-club and you´ll see that they are still the world´s greatest R n R-band.
Karl Denson has a great sound, a very big, masculine rough tone and he´s a better player than Bobby Keys ever was. Even better than Ernie Watts who was noodling too much. Bobby was a friend of the Stones that´s the main reason he played with them. Now sadly he has to be replaced and they replaced him with a giant.
Add Live With Me, Sweet Virginia, Casino Boogie, Rip This Joint and other iconic solos
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TheGreekyou do realise that when you slam Bobby Keys that he invented the solo on Brown Sugar and so many other (such as the sax solo before Mick Taylors solo on cant you hear me knocking) ICONIC solos on Stones albums from the GOLDEN era ? What recorded contribution did Karl Denson make ? (by the way he blows some tasty horn no if ands or buts)Quote
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Let the Stones play a 300-seats-club and you´ll see that they are still the world´s greatest R n R-band.
Karl Denson has a great sound, a very big, masculine rough tone and he´s a better player than Bobby Keys ever was. Even better than Ernie Watts who was noodling too much. Bobby was a friend of the Stones that´s the main reason he played with them. Now sadly he has to be replaced and they replaced him with a giant.
Add Live With Me, Sweet Virginia, Casino Boogie, Rip This Joint and other iconic solos
Not to mention "Coming Down Again," and "Dance."
I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but let's not forget "Emotional Rescue": his killer sax is the only thing about that otherwise hilariously bad song that's actually great: it saves the song.
Also, I've got to bring up "All About You." Bobby's surreal call-and-response to Keith's vocals are absolutely perfect.
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Therefore I'd say: Gimme more of that "garage-band-standard", "@#$%&-up Keith intros", "messy solos by Ronnie and Keith", "plain bad playing" and constant "stumbling" ANY TIME!!!
I'm not interested in musicians mistakes, but their abilities. It's sad to read that the average stones fan is interested in the garage band sound and the rock and roll drugged out looking Keith and Wood. That's the height of infantile fandom, imo.
Sad to read that some fans prefer the slick, cookie cutter, carbon copy days to the times when the band was actually wild and exciting. If that's to be considered infantile than I'm proud to be in with a lot of like-minded company.
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chuck is GREAT
wrong. Chuck is great
We're all entitled to our opinions my friend. I'll grant that Chuck is a very good and talented professional musician. But I felt that Ian Stewart had soul whereas Chuck is just a slick pro without so much soul. I get no feeling from his playing, where I did with Stu.
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chuck is GREAT
wrong. Chuck is great
We're all entitled to our opinions my friend. I'll grant that Chuck is a very good and talented professional musician. But I felt that Ian Stewart had soul whereas Chuck is just a slick pro without so much soul. I get no feeling from his playing, where I did with Stu.
His legacy is as strong as Mick Taylor's!
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It is clearly one of the reasons for not touring. Mick knew around 1985/86 that the band was in even worse shape than in 1981/82. More than the others this time Charlie wasn´t able to deliver the way he used to. To tour with a non solid drummer and a bunch of addicts wringing their guitars would have been suicidal for the Stones, Mick of course knew that. Of course it´s very sad that they were so down at the time - after all with Undercover and DW they had two great records to introduce live. Sad story but Mick´s decision was absolutely right and the only possible one.
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It is evident HMS is biased based on his age and nothing will sway him (even a great Mick Taylor solo). See what I did there.
Anyway, if I rated the Stones based solely on my age and a time of my life where I first appreciated rock music and started playing it myself (12-20 years old) then Bridges to Babylon and A Bigger Bang would be my favorite records. Instead, I subjectively hold Exile on Main Street and Sticky Fingers as my favorites, with the 1972-73 tours as my favorites.
Although I must say, I appreciated the Stones way before I was 12, and it was mainly the Taylor era due to my parents respected ages!
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HMS, HMS, where to begin with you?
"Nothing Bobby Keys ever did comes close to Karl Denson. In fact Denson reduces Keys to a tiny dwarf musically spoken."
You are now treading dangerously close to being a troll, and if that's the case, I suggest you leave this forum right now and never come back.
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HMS, HMS, where to begin with you?
"Nothing Bobby Keys ever did comes close to Karl Denson. In fact Denson reduces Keys to a tiny dwarf musically spoken."
You are now treading dangerously close to being a troll, and if that's the case, I suggest you leave this forum right now and never come back.
Treading dangerously close to being a troll!!!????
HA!
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I didn't know that Chuck was advocating gun ownership. Sources, please
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Therefore I'd say: Gimme more of that "garage-band-standard", "@#$%&-up Keith intros", "messy solos by Ronnie and Keith", "plain bad playing" and constant "stumbling" ANY TIME!!!
I'm not interested in musicians mistakes, but their abilities. It's sad to read that the average stones fan is interested in the garage band sound and the rock and roll drugged out looking Keith and Wood. That's the height of infantile fandom, imo.
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It's the difference between rock and roll and caberet. Granted, modern Stones is a very pleasing caberet but the danger and adrenaline rush ain't quite there.
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It's the difference between rock and roll and caberet. Granted, modern Stones is a very pleasing caberet but the danger and adrenaline rush ain't quite there.
No not really. Yes the stadium and arena shows they did 2012-2016 were caberet shows. But if we go back to any Stones concert 1994-2003 they were full of excitement and the kind of stellar playing and tightness that we never heard in the 70's or 80's. Take me back to a 2003 club gig anyday over a rushed 1981 stadium show.
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I think it's fair in a sense to describe '82 as Garage Rock.
...but it was, all in all, sublimeGarage Rock .
That's what I loved about the Stones in 1978-1982. As one writer put it, they sounded like, "the world's greatest garage band playing in the world's biggest garages." It was glorious, exciting and full of surprises rather than the predictable carbon-copy arrangements we get these days. It's still great to see them because they're the Stones but it's not the adrenaline rush that it used to be.
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Therefore I'd say: Gimme more of that "garage-band-standard", "@#$%&-up Keith intros", "messy solos by Ronnie and Keith", "plain bad playing" and constant "stumbling" ANY TIME!!!
I'm not interested in musicians mistakes, but their abilities. It's sad to read that the average stones fan is interested in the garage band sound and the rock and roll drugged out looking Keith and Wood. That's the height of infantile fandom, imo.
DonParker, you don't notice irony even when it is rubbed into your face so obviously like in my comment, right?
To give you a clue: Do you detect any "garage-band-standard", "@#$%&-up Keith intros", "messy solos by Ronnie and Keith", "plain bad playing" and constant "stumbling" in the video Dandy posted - or in the Hampton 1981, Leeds 1982, Rocks Off 1981 and Still Life recordings and videos, for that matter?
Because that's basically what HMS claimed - that the 1978, 1981 and 1982 were a total mess.
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Therefore I'd say: Gimme more of that "garage-band-standard", "@#$%&-up Keith intros", "messy solos by Ronnie and Keith", "plain bad playing" and constant "stumbling" ANY TIME!!!
I'm not interested in musicians mistakes, but their abilities. It's sad to read that the average stones fan is interested in the garage band sound and the rock and roll drugged out looking Keith and Wood. That's the height of infantile fandom, imo.
DonParker, you don't notice irony even when it is rubbed into your face so obviously like in my comment, right?
To give you a clue: Do you detect any "garage-band-standard", "@#$%&-up Keith intros", "messy solos by Ronnie and Keith", "plain bad playing" and constant "stumbling" in the video Dandy posted - or in the Hampton 1981, Leeds 1982, Rocks Off 1981 and Still Life recordings and videos, for that matter?
Because that's basically what HMS claimed - that the 1978, 1981 and 1982 were a total mess.
Dear Alimente, I'll keep it short. Maybe I'm more a Taylor fan than a Stones fan. If Taylor hadn't played with the Stones (they got the best out of him)) I would probably not be on this forum.
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Therefore I'd say: Gimme more of that "garage-band-standard", "@#$%&-up Keith intros", "messy solos by Ronnie and Keith", "plain bad playing" and constant "stumbling" ANY TIME!!!
I'm not interested in musicians mistakes, but their abilities. It's sad to read that the average stones fan is interested in the garage band sound and the rock and roll drugged out looking Keith and Wood. That's the height of infantile fandom, imo.
DonParker, you don't notice irony even when it is rubbed into your face so obviously like in my comment, right?
To give you a clue: Do you detect any "garage-band-standard", "@#$%&-up Keith intros", "messy solos by Ronnie and Keith", "plain bad playing" and constant "stumbling" in the video Dandy posted - or in the Hampton 1981, Leeds 1982, Rocks Off 1981 and Still Life recordings and videos, for that matter?
Because that's basically what HMS claimed - that the 1978, 1981 and 1982 were a total mess.
Dear Alimente, I'll keep it short. Maybe I'm more a Taylor fan than a Stones fan. If Taylor hadn't played with the Stones (they got the best out of him)) I would probably not be on this forum.
So I'm guessing you're more a fan of guitar solos and lead guitarists than of bands themselves. Not that there's anything wrong with that!
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Therefore I'd say: Gimme more of that "garage-band-standard", "@#$%&-up Keith intros", "messy solos by Ronnie and Keith", "plain bad playing" and constant "stumbling" ANY TIME!!!
I'm not interested in musicians mistakes, but their abilities. It's sad to read that the average stones fan is interested in the garage band sound and the rock and roll drugged out looking Keith and Wood. That's the height of infantile fandom, imo.
DonParker, you don't notice irony even when it is rubbed into your face so obviously like in my comment, right?
To give you a clue: Do you detect any "garage-band-standard", "@#$%&-up Keith intros", "messy solos by Ronnie and Keith", "plain bad playing" and constant "stumbling" in the video Dandy posted - or in the Hampton 1981, Leeds 1982, Rocks Off 1981 and Still Life recordings and videos, for that matter?
Because that's basically what HMS claimed - that the 1978, 1981 and 1982 were a total mess.
Dear Alimente, I'll keep it short. Maybe I'm more a Taylor fan than a Stones fan. If Taylor hadn't played with the Stones (they got the best out of him)) I would probably not be on this forum.
So I'm guessing you're more a fan of guitar solos and lead guitarists than of bands themselves. Not that there's anything wrong with that!
That't correct, HTF.
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"The sum total of his collaborations in more than 50 years as an active musician includes names such as David Gilmour, Sea Level, Eric Clapton, George Harrison, John Mayer, The Black Crowes, Gov’t Mule, Miranda Lambert and Widespread Panic."
It´s so ridiculous that there are IORR members who critisize his playing.
The only excuse is that they are
1. deaf
2. ignorant
3. non musicians
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"The sum total of his collaborations in more than 50 years as an active musician includes names such as David Gilmour, Sea Level, Eric Clapton, George Harrison, John Mayer, The Black Crowes, Gov’t Mule, Miranda Lambert and Widespread Panic."
It´s so ridiculous that there are IORR members who critisize his playing.
The only excuse is that they are
1. deaf
2. ignorant
3. non musicians
It's really more about the plink-plink and happy shiny sunny day piano in songs like, oh, Midnight Rambler...