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His Majesty
Mick might have joined Manfred Mann in place of Paul Jones.
Endless what if scenarios.
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wonderboy
Brian: what I think.
He started the band, selected or recruited them, gave them an identity, trained Keith up on guitar in all those marathon sessions. There were lots of talented young musicians at that time and he put together the best. You know they joke that Wyman was asked to join the band because he had the right amp, but that's nonsense -- Brian wanted good musicians.
He had some kind of mental illness but before the drugs/alcohol messed him up he was a bright, hard working, functional young man. He was older than them and had a clear vision. He wanted them to be a blues band *and* he wanted them to be big.
They must have been very exciting as a live band, because they were big in London even before Mick and Keith started writing songs and people around them believed in them.
Without him, all of them would have formed or gotten into some type of band, maybe something like the Pretty Things. It probably wouldn't have been like the Stones. Mick might have wound up fronting the Faces. Keith might have knocked around for a few years and joined up with Jimmy Paige.
So many things in life are contingent. The Stones weren't fated to happen. As Stones fans, we're lucky things fell into place and we should give Brian credit for his role in that
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I dont think Keith would have gone anywhere without Mick.
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I dont think Keith would have gone anywhere without Mick.
Ron Wood had a career before the Stones, so why wouldn't Keith have made it?
Keith would have found another partner and his songwriting would have come to the fore. A lot of those 'guitar heroes' couldn't really write a song, but he could.
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His Majesty
It took a certain amount of situations for Keith to start trying to write songs. Change anything before that and he may never have even tried.
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wonderboy
I'm pretty sure Keith would have kept trying if Mick and joined the Stones without him. He would have gotten in a band eventually.
And everybody was trying to write songs. Heck, even Gerry and the Pacemakers were writing some of their own songs. So I think Keith would have given it a shot. Doesn't mean they would have been popular in a different context, but I think he would have had a good career. (Maybe he would have gotten into the Stones in 1969 as the replacement for Brian!)
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wonderboy
Brian: what I think.
He started the band, selected or recruited them, gave them an identity, trained Keith up on guitar in all those marathon sessions. There were lots of talented young musicians at that time and he put together the best. You know they joke that Wyman was asked to join the band because he had the right amp, but that's nonsense -- Brian wanted good musicians.
He had some kind of mental illness but before the drugs/alcohol messed him up he was a bright, hard working, functional young man. He was older than them and had a clear vision. He wanted them to be a blues band *and* he wanted them to be big.
They must have been very exciting as a live band, because they were big in London even before Mick and Keith started writing songs and people around them believed in them.
Without him, all of them would have formed or gotten into some type of band, maybe something like the Pretty Things. It probably wouldn't have been like the Stones. Mick might have wound up fronting the Faces. Keith might have knocked around for a few years and joined up with Jimmy Paige.
So many things in life are contingent. The Stones weren't fated to happen. As Stones fans, we're lucky things fell into place and we should give Brian credit for his role in that
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keithsman
Judging by interviews Keith still stays in touch with Bill and since Keith got over serious drugs they have always got on well in my opinion. Mick and Bill not so much, roundabout WW3 Bill was making sounds in the press that the Stones could replace Mick to tour, not sure Mick was ever the same with Bill after that.
As for Mick and Keith's relationship these days it's not even a working one as we can see with this album. Personally i think Mick finds it hard to be in the same room as Keith. Rehearsal is the only time they have to tolerate each other. Sorry to be so negative but all that show of brotherhood on stage is for the cameras.
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keithsman
Judging by interviews Keith still stays in touch with Bill and since Keith got over serious drugs they have always got on well in my opinion. Mick and Bill not so much, roundabout WW3 Bill was making sounds in the press that the Stones could replace Mick to tour, not sure Mick was ever the same with Bill after that.
As for Mick and Keith's relationship these days it's not even a working one as we can see with this album. Personally i think Mick finds it hard to be in the same room as Keith. Rehearsal is the only time they have to tolerate each other. Sorry to be so negative but all that show of brotherhood on stage is for the cameras.
I'm pretty sure this is wrong. They were working together in the studio, just the two of them and Steve Jordan, last year.
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keefriff99
I certainly wouldn't call period this an "all-time low" compared to the years between Dirty Work and Steel Wheels. THAT was the all-time low.
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keithsman
Judging by interviews Keith still stays in touch with Bill and since Keith got over serious drugs they have always got on well in my opinion. Mick and Bill not so much, roundabout WW3 Bill was making sounds in the press that the Stones could replace Mick to tour, not sure Mick was ever the same with Bill after that.
As for Mick and Keith's relationship these days it's not even a working one as we can see with this album. Personally i think Mick finds it hard to be in the same room as Keith. Rehearsal is the only time they have to tolerate each other. Sorry to be so negative but all that show of brotherhood on stage is for the cameras.
I'm pretty sure this is wrong. They were working together in the studio, just the two of them and Steve Jordan, last year.
The glass is half full, i like that DP, but for an album to take all these years to try and finish suggest communication problems between them. We also get feed back that Mick goes in and does a bit, then Keith , but not very often together. Plus Steve Jordan is Keith's man, if Keith is working with Steve Jordan on a Stones album that could be because of frustration if Mick is avoiding working with Keith. It's obvious things are at an all time low for a gap of 15 years between Stones albums.
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I certainly wouldn't call period this an "all-time low" compared to the years between Dirty Work and Steel Wheels. THAT was the all-time low.
So you think a 15 year gap in creativity is less negative than a 3 year gap, and that's if the album gets finished this year and if it's any good.
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keithsman
Judging by interviews Keith still stays in touch with Bill and since Keith got over serious drugs they have always got on well in my opinion. Mick and Bill not so much, roundabout WW3 Bill was making sounds in the press that the Stones could replace Mick to tour, not sure Mick was ever the same with Bill after that.
As for Mick and Keith's relationship these days it's not even a working one as we can see with this album. Personally i think Mick finds it hard to be in the same room as Keith. Rehearsal is the only time they have to tolerate each other. Sorry to be so negative but all that show of brotherhood on stage is for the cameras.
I'm pretty sure this is wrong. They were working together in the studio, just the two of them and Steve Jordan, last year.
The glass is half full, i like that DP, but for an album to take all these years to try and finish suggest communication problems between them. We also get feed back that Mick goes in and does a bit, then Keith , but not very often together. Plus Steve Jordan is Keith's man, if Keith is working with Steve Jordan on a Stones album that could be because of frustration if Mick is avoiding working with Keith. It's obvious things are at an all time low for a gap of 15 years between Stones albums.
What about the notion that there really isn't all that much 'wrong' in their relationship? I think we, as fans, like to cling to that idea because ultimately it is the more hopeful scenario: that they are at loggerheads, and that from this kind of place there is the possibility of a solution, a reconciliation. But often a couple a married couple that has been together for many years, and is at peace with each other, choose to sleep in different rooms. And lead almost separate lives. yet their marriage is strong. Time is a motherf8cker.
And IMO the fabled album is not stalled because of some rift between those two. they are just content and settled. No matter what Keith says in interviews; it is he who is done, and slow. Mick and Ron still have a certain amount of drive, and restlessness, but probably not so much Stones related. It is very easy to believe Keith and his Keith-isms. That he can't wait to let the tigers out again etc; and that it is Brenda holding them all back. Look how long it took for his last solo album to complete; and how homespun and sleepy it is.
And re. Bill, I think most of his bitterness was purely financial. I actually always noted that Bill spoke very highly of Mick as a performer and leader. I liked the way he would say that they had the best one of them all.
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Judging by interviews Keith still stays in touch with Bill and since Keith got over serious drugs they have always got on well in my opinion. Mick and Bill not so much, roundabout WW3 Bill was making sounds in the press that the Stones could replace Mick to tour, not sure Mick was ever the same with Bill after that.
As for Mick and Keith's relationship these days it's not even a working one as we can see with this album. Personally i think Mick finds it hard to be in the same room as Keith. Rehearsal is the only time they have to tolerate each other. Sorry to be so negative but all that show of brotherhood on stage is for the cameras.
I'm pretty sure this is wrong. They were working together in the studio, just the two of them and Steve Jordan, last year.
The glass is half full, i like that DP, but for an album to take all these years to try and finish suggest communication problems between them. We also get feed back that Mick goes in and does a bit, then Keith , but not very often together. Plus Steve Jordan is Keith's man, if Keith is working with Steve Jordan on a Stones album that could be because of frustration if Mick is avoiding working with Keith. It's obvious things are at an all time low for a gap of 15 years between Stones albums.