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Re: Bill Wyman Talks
Date: February 12, 2020 17:43

Interesting to read Bill's interpretation about Jeff Beck and the Stones in 1975. Almost the opposite of Jeff Beck's story.



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Re: Mick/Keith and Bill’s Relationship
Posted by: keithsman ()
Date: February 12, 2020 18:35

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Judging by interviews Keith still stays in touch with Bill and since Keith got over serious drugs they have always got on well in my opinion. Mick and Bill not so much, roundabout WW3 Bill was making sounds in the press that the Stones could replace Mick to tour, not sure Mick was ever the same with Bill after that.

As for Mick and Keith's relationship these days it's not even a working one as we can see with this album. Personally i think Mick finds it hard to be in the same room as Keith. Rehearsal is the only time they have to tolerate each other. Sorry to be so negative but all that show of brotherhood on stage is for the cameras.

I'm pretty sure this is wrong. They were working together in the studio, just the two of them and Steve Jordan, last year.

The glass is half full, i like that DP, but for an album to take all these years to try and finish suggest communication problems between them. We also get feed back that Mick goes in and does a bit, then Keith , but not very often together. Plus Steve Jordan is Keith's man, if Keith is working with Steve Jordan on a Stones album that could be because of frustration if Mick is avoiding working with Keith. It's obvious things are at an all time low for a gap of 15 years between Stones albums.

He he, most of this is pure speculation (darn, why do the Stones run their operations like Fort Knox!).

It could be as simple as this: They really want their last album to be great, but they're all struggling to come up with material that's good enough, and they realise this. It doesn't have to be anyone's fault smiling smiley

Only one problem with that DP, you and I know Keith has no problem making great music.

Re: Bill Wyman Talks
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: February 12, 2020 18:42

Mick and Brian were firmly middle-class, I’d say. Keith grew-up on a notoriously rough - at least, it is now - housing estate called Temple Hill. Charlie and Ronnie are from - seemingly - working-class backgrounds, too.

Re: Bill Wyman Talks
Posted by: wonderboy ()
Date: February 12, 2020 19:35

Bill came from a different generation than the rest of them, probably that explains his comments about class.
He grew up poorer and rougher. I would guess -- just speculating -- is that Bill knows Keith and the others grew up with more security. A bit more financial security and certainly more emotional security. Mick and Keith seem to have had good parenting. I know Keith's dad wasn't around, but he was real close with his mom.
Bill didn't have that family support, at least that's what I got from watching his documentary recently.

Re: Bill Wyman Talks
Posted by: keefriff99 ()
Date: February 12, 2020 19:38

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Mick and Brian were firmly middle-class, I’d say. Keith grew-up on a notoriously rough - at least, it is now - housing estate called Temple Hill. Charlie and Ronnie are from - seemingly - working-class backgrounds, too.
I don't think Keith had what you'd call a rough childhood.

That's always been a knock on the Stones from some people...they were portrayed by their management as rough-around-the-edges bad boys in comparison to the Beatles, while in reality their childhood backgrounds were significantly more comfortable.

Re: Mick/Keith and Bill’s Relationship
Posted by: harlem shuffle ()
Date: February 12, 2020 23:03

Hi Keithsmen where Did you see that Wyman says Mick Jagger could easily be replaced by another singer?No i dont believe a word what you are saying.More and more hate of Jagger again from you,lying and bitching all the times when it comes to Jagger.You are really a stupid clovn

Re: Mick/Keith and Bill’s Relationship
Posted by: keithsman ()
Date: February 12, 2020 23:24

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Hi Keithsmen where Did you see that Wyman says Mick Jagger could easily be replaced by another singer?No i dont believe a word what you are saying.More and more hate of Jagger again from you,lying and bitching all the times when it comes to Jagger.You are really a stupid clovn

Haha there you are, i was worried you had left us Mr Shuffle . Well perhaps I'm a bit older than you and remember articles in the press years before the Internet. So it's a little hard to prove but i can assure you Bill was suggesting to the press during WW3 that the Stones could possibly tour and try to find another singer. I know for a fact that Keith approached Roger Daltrey, who promptly told Keith where to go hehe.
Remember it's never hate, more like a love that ended up dissapointing you, up to about 82' Mick was the Rolling Stones to me, Keith came in second, the way they progressed as people and as artists from the late 70's to the present day changed all that. Having said that Mick is still a force of nature, still the best performer on the planet and always will be.
There is hardly a week that goes by that i don't have to get my fix of Mick and Keith's music and live performances, Mick still is the person i love watching and listening to the most, he's fascinating on so many levels, it's been my obsession for nearly 40 years, sorry it comes across to you as hate.



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Re: Bill Wyman Talks
Posted by: 24FPS ()
Date: February 13, 2020 03:50

Bill said recently he see Mick in London at different affairs and that they have dinner. I don't think there's any problem between Bill & Keith. Bill really complimented his guitar playing in his recent documentary. None of it seemed phony when they wished him a happy 80th. Come on, they are a very special group of human beings/artists who magically came together, and became something much greater than their individual parts. They all enhanced each other's lives. They were the ones who rode around, crammed into Stu's unheated van. Those five frail Englishmen faced real pressure from society. They hung close. Just because it didn't last forever doesn't mean they aren't fond of each other.

Re: Mick/Keith and Bill’s Relationship
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: February 13, 2020 03:54

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Hi Keithsmen where Did you see that Wyman says Mick Jagger could easily be replaced by another singer?No i dont believe a word what you are saying.More and more hate of Jagger again from you,lying and bitching all the times when it comes to Jagger.You are really a stupid clovn

YOU calling someone a stupid clown is HILARIOUS. PRICELESS.

And your fake news. FAKE NEWS. You're nothing but a FAKE Stones fan.

Re: Bill Wyman Talks
Posted by: Rocky Dijon ()
Date: February 13, 2020 04:11

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they are a very special group of human beings/artists who magically came together, and became something much greater than their individual parts. They all enhanced each other's lives. They were the ones who rode around, crammed into Stu's unheated van. Those five frail Englishmen faced real pressure from society. They hung close. Just because it didn't last forever doesn't mean they aren't fond of each other.

Quite possibly the most insightful passage ever posted on IORR.

Re: Bill Wyman Talks
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: February 13, 2020 04:17

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they are a very special group of human beings/artists who magically came together, and became something much greater than their individual parts. They all enhanced each other's lives. They were the ones who rode around, crammed into Stu's unheated van. Those five frail Englishmen faced real pressure from society. They hung close. Just because it didn't last forever doesn't mean they aren't fond of each other.

Quite possibly the most insightful passage ever posted on IORR.
There was a story in the newspapers in 1987 that because Mick was going to tour solo he would be replaced for a Stones tour by Terence Trent D’ArbySome news reports attributed it maybe to comments by Bill.



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Re: Mick/Keith and Bill’s Relationship
Posted by: keithsman ()
Date: February 13, 2020 19:21

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Hi Keithsmen where Did you see that Wyman says Mick Jagger could easily be replaced by another singer?No i dont believe a word what you are saying.More and more hate of Jagger again from you,lying and bitching all the times when it comes to Jagger.You are really a stupid clovn

YOU calling someone a stupid clown is HILARIOUS. PRICELESS.

And your fake news. FAKE NEWS. You're nothing but a FAKE Stones fan.

I feel your pain Gaslightstreet, i try to humour him, even try to kill him with kindness but he keeps on trolling. What's disappointing is that he lies and tries to get people banned with his fake BS. It's one thing to name call and attack people's point of view, but what he doesn't know he makes up. Pleased you called him out.

Re: Mick/Keith and Bill’s Relationship
Posted by: retired_dog ()
Date: February 13, 2020 20:29

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Hi Keithsmen where Did you see that Wyman says Mick Jagger could easily be replaced by another singer?No i dont believe a word what you are saying.More and more hate of Jagger again from you,lying and bitching all the times when it comes to Jagger.You are really a stupid clovn

YOU calling someone a stupid clown is HILARIOUS. PRICELESS.

And your fake news. FAKE NEWS. You're nothing but a FAKE Stones fan.

I feel your pain Gaslightstreet, i try to humour him, even try to kill him with kindness but he keeps on trolling. What's disappointing is that he lies and tries to get people banned with his fake BS. It's one thing to name call and attack people's point of view, but what he doesn't know he makes up. Pleased you called him out.

It's all about this childish Keith/Mick mudfight and you too are not exactly innocent in this case...

Re: Mick/Keith and Bill’s Relationship
Posted by: keithsman ()
Date: February 13, 2020 21:25

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Hi Keithsmen where Did you see that Wyman says Mick Jagger could easily be replaced by another singer?No i dont believe a word what you are saying.More and more hate of Jagger again from you,lying and bitching all the times when it comes to Jagger.You are really a stupid clovn

YOU calling someone a stupid clown is HILARIOUS. PRICELESS.

And your fake news. FAKE NEWS. You're nothing but a FAKE Stones fan.

I feel your pain Gaslightstreet, i try to humour him, even try to kill him with kindness but he keeps on trolling. What's disappointing is that he lies and tries to get people banned with his fake BS. It's one thing to name call and attack people's point of view, but what he doesn't know he makes up. Pleased you called him out.

It's all about this childish Keith/Mick mudfight and you too are not exactly innocent in this case...

Guilty, but i don't exist on here to get one person banned

Re: Mick/Keith and Bill’s Relationship
Posted by: retired_dog ()
Date: February 13, 2020 21:59

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Hi Keithsmen where Did you see that Wyman says Mick Jagger could easily be replaced by another singer?No i dont believe a word what you are saying.More and more hate of Jagger again from you,lying and bitching all the times when it comes to Jagger.You are really a stupid clovn

YOU calling someone a stupid clown is HILARIOUS. PRICELESS.

And your fake news. FAKE NEWS. You're nothing but a FAKE Stones fan.

I feel your pain Gaslightstreet, i try to humour him, even try to kill him with kindness but he keeps on trolling. What's disappointing is that he lies and tries to get people banned with his fake BS. It's one thing to name call and attack people's point of view, but what he doesn't know he makes up. Pleased you called him out.

It's all about this childish Keith/Mick mudfight and you too are not exactly innocent in this case...

Guilty, but i don't exist on here to get one person banned

But nobody accused you of that behaviour! So - no defense necessary, because the court won't deal with this case.

Re: Mick/Keith and Bill’s Relationship
Date: February 14, 2020 14:40

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Judging by interviews Keith still stays in touch with Bill and since Keith got over serious drugs they have always got on well in my opinion. Mick and Bill not so much, roundabout WW3 Bill was making sounds in the press that the Stones could replace Mick to tour, not sure Mick was ever the same with Bill after that.

As for Mick and Keith's relationship these days it's not even a working one as we can see with this album. Personally i think Mick finds it hard to be in the same room as Keith. Rehearsal is the only time they have to tolerate each other. Sorry to be so negative but all that show of brotherhood on stage is for the cameras.

I'm pretty sure this is wrong. They were working together in the studio, just the two of them and Steve Jordan, last year.

The glass is half full, i like that DP, but for an album to take all these years to try and finish suggest communication problems between them. We also get feed back that Mick goes in and does a bit, then Keith , but not very often together. Plus Steve Jordan is Keith's man, if Keith is working with Steve Jordan on a Stones album that could be because of frustration if Mick is avoiding working with Keith. It's obvious things are at an all time low for a gap of 15 years between Stones albums.

What about the notion that there really isn't all that much 'wrong' in their relationship? I think we, as fans, like to cling to that idea because ultimately it is the more hopeful scenario: that they are at loggerheads, and that from this kind of place there is the possibility of a solution, a reconciliation. But often a couple a married couple that has been together for many years, and is at peace with each other, choose to sleep in different rooms. And lead almost separate lives. yet their marriage is strong. Time is a motherf8cker.
And IMO the fabled album is not stalled because of some rift between those two. they are just content and settled. No matter what Keith says in interviews; it is he who is done, and slow. Mick and Ron still have a certain amount of drive, and restlessness, but probably not so much Stones related. It is very easy to believe Keith and his Keith-isms. That he can't wait to let the tigers out again etc; and that it is Brenda holding them all back. Look how long it took for his last solo album to complete; and how homespun and sleepy it is.
And re. Bill, I think most of his bitterness was purely financial. I actually always noted that Bill spoke very highly of Mick as a performer and leader. I liked the way he would say that they had the best one of them all.

PALACE, I've always enjoyed your posts but you are way off the mark here saying Keith has no drive, Keith had to wait a long time to find a window of opportunity to release Crosseyed Heart, Keith showed plenty of creative drive to complete that album a short while ago, the jury is still out on Mick, he needs to prove he can still create music at that level, it's been a long while, it's getting to the point where seeing will be believing, but in 15 years we have virtually nothing from Mick that comes close to Ronnie or Keith's last solo efforts.
well then I have to re-phrase. Obviously Keith has drive; he's given us a lifetime of drive. I think what I'm trying to convey, and it is by no means a criticism, is that I get the feeling that Keith is ready to settle down. That of all 4, he could easily be the first one to privately be ready to call it.
I can tell by your name that Keith hold a special place with you; and I could easily be wrong. It's just a feeling.
The whole notion of there not being a Stones one day is very, very troubling to me. None of us want to really deal with that scenario. It reminds me of my own age, and of time's passage. I do not exagerate when I say that the Stones have been more of a guide to me in life than anyone, including family.

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