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Steelers are beating the pats this weekend, though I wouldn't put money on it. The Patriots are a tough team.*

Whoever wins this game is taking the super bowl.*

*This is coming from someone who hasn't watched a game in years, but loves their hometown.

The penguins are a different story. My all time favorite team, playing my favorite sport. They'll win the cup again this year!

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The Patriots are the greatest football team of all time right now.

That's funny. I'd be curious to know what you were drinking when you typed that.

Greatest of all time? The 49ers, Cowboys AND STEELERS all have more Super Bowl victories than the Patriots. Although the Pats are tied for the most Super Bowl APPEARANCES, of the teams they're tied with, only Denver has lost more than the Pats.

That's one way to look at it.

But Brady/Belichick have won four. Montana/Walsh won 3, then Walsh retired and Montana won another the following year with a new coach. That's pretty remarkable.

Bradshaw/Knoll won four, so that plus the two additional that Roethlisburger won (one with Cowher, one with Tomlin), actually makes the Steelers the greatest franchise in NFL history.

Nevertheless, the sustained run of excellence (15 years and counting) that the Pats have been on under Brady/Belichick is unprecedented.

so you are ignoring anything that happened in the nfl before 1967?

Post-merger is what everyone tends to focus on. Even going back to 1967...the game is so different it's impossible to compare. They didn't even keep track of a lot of stats back then.

they did not but it still part of nfl history. the nfl currently states the packers, bears and giants have the most total nfl championships.

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Steelers are beating the pats this weekend, though I wouldn't put money on it. The Patriots are a tough team.*

Whoever wins this game is taking the super bowl.*

*This is coming from someone who hasn't watched a game in years, but loves their hometown.

The penguins are a different story. My all time favorite team, playing my favorite sport. They'll win the cup again this year!

OT: NOT TRYING TO HIJACK THREAD

So are the Pirates EVER going to get "over the hump"? They seem to keep getting close recently.


Hope your hometown desires are correct re: the Steelers.

Peace,
Mr DJA

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Steelers are beating the pats this weekend, though I wouldn't put money on it. The Patriots are a tough team.*

Whoever wins this game is taking the super bowl.*

*This is coming from someone who hasn't watched a game in years, but loves their hometown.

The penguins are a different story. My all time favorite team, playing my favorite sport. They'll win the cup again this year!

OT: NOT TRYING TO HIJACK THREAD

So are the Pirates EVER going to get "over the hump"? They seem to keep getting close recently.


Hope your hometown desires are correct re: the Steelers.

Peace,
Mr DJA

I don't think so. The owner needs to spend money, to win, but he wont. At least that is what I've been hearing on pittsburgh sports radio.

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The Patriots have won ONE Super Bowl over the past 11 years and needed help from the opposing coaching staff to win that one.

Their first Super Bowl victory was tainted due to the fact that they should not have even been playing in the game because of the short lived ,ridiculous "tuck rule" which came into play during the play-off game against Oakland.

Two years later,they beat Carolina by a field goal. The year after that was their most convincing championship.

So,they were clearly the best team in the league 2 .... maybe 3 times ever.

They never really left no doubt like the '89/'90 San Francisco team or the '92-'96 Dallas teams who won three out of four and who were the closest by far to winning four in a row.

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The Patriots are the greatest football team of all time right now.

That's funny. I'd be curious to know what you were drinking when you typed that.

Greatest of all time? The 49ers, Cowboys AND STEELERS all have more Super Bowl victories than the Patriots. Although the Pats are tied for the most Super Bowl APPEARANCES, of the teams they're tied with, only Denver has lost more than the Pats.

That's one way to look at it.

But Brady/Belichick have won four. Montana/Walsh won 3, then Walsh retired and Montana won another the following year with a new coach. That's pretty remarkable.

Bradshaw/Knoll won four, so that plus the two additional that Roethlisburger won (one with Cowher, one with Tomlin), actually makes the Steelers the greatest franchise in NFL history.

Nevertheless, the sustained run of excellence (15 years and counting) that the Pats have been on under Brady/Belichick is unprecedented.

so you are ignoring anything that happened in the nfl before 1967?

Post-merger is what everyone tends to focus on. Even going back to 1967...the game is so different it's impossible to compare. They didn't even keep track of a lot of stats back then.

they did not but it still part of nfl history. the nfl currently states the packers, bears and giants have the most total nfl championships.

And those teams DO have the most NFL Championships. They DON'T have the most Super Bowls. I think it was clear that most involved in this particular offshoot of the thread were talking about the Super Bowl era. It was to me anyway.

Apologies for my part of the confusion. I'll bow out of the historical conversation now as I really don't study much on the pre-Super Bowl era.

Peace,
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The Patriots have won ONE Super Bowl over the past 11 years and needed help from the opposing coaching staff to win that one.

Their first Super Bowl victory was tainted due to the fact that they should not have even been playing in the game because of the short lived ,ridiculous "tuck rule" which came into play during the play-off game against Oakland.

Two years later,they beat Carolina by a field goal. The year after that was their most convincing championship.

So,they were clearly the best team in the league 2 .... maybe 3 times ever.

They never really left no doubt like the '89/'90 San Francisco team or the '92-'96 Dallas teams who won three out of four and who were the closest by far to winning four in a row.

Brady didn't have a Jerry Rice or a Michael Irvin, nor a running back like Emmitt Smith.

The ONE year Brady had an elite wide receiver (Moss), he broke the single-season touchdown record and went 19-1 for the season.

You make some good points, but name a team who's been better for 16 straight seasons. You DO realize how difficult it is to win multiple Super Bowls? That's hardly the only criterion for judging dominance.

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The Patriots have won ONE Super Bowl over the past 11 years and needed help from the opposing coaching staff to win that one.

Their first Super Bowl victory was tainted due to the fact that they should not have even been playing in the game because of the short lived ,ridiculous "tuck rule" which came into play during the play-off game against Oakland.

Two years later,they beat Carolina by a field goal. The year after that was their most convincing championship.

So,they were clearly the best team in the league 2 .... maybe 3 times ever.

They never really left no doubt like the '89/'90 San Francisco team or the '92-'96 Dallas teams who won three out of four and who were the closest by far to winning four in a row.

Brady didn't have a Jerry Rice or a Michael Irvin, nor a running back like Emmitt Smith.

The ONE year Brady had an elite wide receiver (Moss), he broke the single-season touchdown record and went 19-1 for the season.

You make some good points, but name a team who's been better for 16 straight seasons. You DO realize how difficult it is to win multiple Super Bowls? That's hardly the only criterion for judging dominance.

those 16 straight seasons include games with other starting QBs. shows me there is more to the patriots than brady. he is plugged into a system that makes someone successful

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The Patriots have won ONE Super Bowl over the past 11 years and needed help from the opposing coaching staff to win that one.

Their first Super Bowl victory was tainted due to the fact that they should not have even been playing in the game because of the short lived ,ridiculous "tuck rule" which came into play during the play-off game against Oakland.

Two years later,they beat Carolina by a field goal. The year after that was their most convincing championship.

So,they were clearly the best team in the league 2 .... maybe 3 times ever.

They never really left no doubt like the '89/'90 San Francisco team or the '92-'96 Dallas teams who won three out of four and who were the closest by far to winning four in a row.

Brady didn't have a Jerry Rice or a Michael Irvin, nor a running back like Emmitt Smith.

The ONE year Brady had an elite wide receiver (Moss), he broke the single-season touchdown record and went 19-1 for the season.

You make some good points, but name a team who's been better for 16 straight seasons. You DO realize how difficult it is to win multiple Super Bowls? That's hardly the only criterion for judging dominance.

those 16 straight seasons include games with other starting QBs. shows me there is more to the patriots than brady. he is plugged into a system that makes someone successful

You really enjoy arguing for no reason, don't you?

I never said it was all down to Brady, but one coach and one primary quarterback for 16 seasons is highly unique.

Yeah, 2 games with Bledsoe, 15 with Cassel (where they missed the playoffs), 3 with Garoppolo and 1 with Brissett...21 regular season games out of 256. You're kinda reaching.

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Patriots are easily the best overall tram of last 15 years. What has been baffling though is that it has not translated into SB victories. The last time when the Giants beat them ,as huge underdogs, was the main head scratcher. They were esp. one dimensional that year. I do think it is down to Brady.He's done it year after year with no names.
Falcons - may not get past this round yet. Dan Quinn was the BEST thing they have done in...forever. They will only get better. Incredible offense with twin runners, receivers who are NOT named Julio. And that defense has got stronger every week.
Steelers are the real dangerous one. Big Ben has a crazy offense; including himself.
Green Bay - Rogers is red hot.I thought that Dallas didnt stand a chance even before kick-off. I keep reading about their injuries, but aren't they all back?

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The Patriots have won ONE Super Bowl over the past 11 years and needed help from the opposing coaching staff to win that one.

Their first Super Bowl victory was tainted due to the fact that they should not have even been playing in the game because of the short lived ,ridiculous "tuck rule" which came into play during the play-off game against Oakland.

Two years later,they beat Carolina by a field goal. The year after that was their most convincing championship.

So,they were clearly the best team in the league 2 .... maybe 3 times ever.

They never really left no doubt like the '89/'90 San Francisco team or the '92-'96 Dallas teams who won three out of four and who were the closest by far to winning four in a row.

Brady didn't have a Jerry Rice or a Michael Irvin, nor a running back like Emmitt Smith.

The ONE year Brady had an elite wide receiver (Moss), he broke the single-season touchdown record and went 19-1 for the season.

You make some good points, but name a team who's been better for 16 straight seasons. You DO realize how difficult it is to win multiple Super Bowls? That's hardly the only criterion for judging dominance.

those 16 straight seasons include games with other starting QBs. shows me there is more to the patriots than brady. he is plugged into a system that makes someone successful

You really enjoy arguing for no reason, don't you?

I never said it was all down to Brady, but one coach and one primary quarterback for 16 seasons is highly unique.

Yeah, 2 games with Bledsoe, 15 with Cassel (where they missed the playoffs), 3 with Garoppolo and 1 with Brissett...21 regular season games out of 256. You're kinda reaching.

but the team was successful without brady. they finished 11-5 with cassel, 3-1 with garoppolo and brissett and I believe 0-2 with Bledsoe although he lead the game winning drive to against the steelers in the playoffs.

so they went 14-8 without brady. 14-6 if you count the games since brady became the starter. I know for fact the steelers and colts have much worser records when big ben or peyton weren't starting. heck the colts went 2-14 when peyton missed and entire season

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Green Bay - Rogers is red hot.I thought that Dallas didnt stand a chance even before kick-off. I keep reading about their injuries, but aren't they all back?

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thank you for remembering me posting that. i knew the cowboys were all talk and no game. the NFC will win the superbowl no matter which team makes it

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Green Bay let up ?? They couldn't stop Dallas's offense in 8 quarters this year.

The only reason they had the 18 point lead is because Dallas shot itself in the foot with an "unsportsman-like" 15 yard substitution penalty on a play where they gained 22 yards down to Green Bay's 12 yard line. That rule,by the way,is foolish. 15 yards penalty for being near the huddle .... should be 5 yards like every other substitution penalty or maybe a player should actually need to be IN the huddle and then leave the game for it to be a penalty at all.

But either way,I don't think Green Bay let up and threw their interception because they were ahead. "We're ahead so,let's throw an interception."

Wait,they also threw another interception when they weren't so far ahead. Lucky for them,it didn't stand up because the referees called pass interference. It would have actually been pass interference but,it should have been picked up because the ball was clearly uncatchable by any Green Bay receiver , regardless of the contact.

They must have let up twice,letting Dallas tie the score twice,not learning their lesson after letting their first lead slip away.

It's easy to gloat when the ball bounces your way. If Rodgers gets stripped of the ball there on that blind-side sack with 15 or 20 seconds left to play,Dallas likely kicks a field goal and wins the game. It didn't work out that way so,have your fun.

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The Patriots are the greatest team of all time. They must have bigger chips on their shoulder than any other team -- ever. Think of it that way. The Patriots will win. I'm not Catholic. I don't care how may Hail Mary passes Rodgers throws. He's not the greatest of all time. He's right up there. But he's not the greatest. Tom Brady stands to walk into the history books as the greatest QB of all time. He's not gonna miss that chance. Brady wins.

It's kind of ridiculous that quarterback greatness is measured in rings.

Why? It's a damn team sport. Of course the QB is the captain of the offense, but he has nothing to do with defense or special teams.

If you go by stats, Rodgers is in another league. Manning and Favre stuck around long enough to compile gaudy regular season records, but Rodgers, in terms of efficiency, accuracy, TD/interception ratio, and other % stats, is already #1 in many categories.

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If you like conspiracy theories: Well, forget it. To the conspiracy theorists: It's all good. That last post wasn't to any one person. It wasn't about anyone in particular. It wasn't supposed to have some big meaning. Neither is this post. Except when I say: Patriots to win. That is going to be incredible when the Patriots win the Super Bowl and Brady is #1 of all time.

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I hate Dallas. I know Dallas was much better in 2016 than the previous 20 years or whatever it is that it's been since they've done anything worth a damn. And if they don't mess with it, which seems to be a constant thing there, then they should be better in 2017. As in... able to beat winning teams and maybe even win a playoff game or two in 2018.

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The Patriots are the greatest football team of all time right now.

That's funny. I'd be curious to know what you were drinking when you typed that.

Greatest of all time? The 49ers, Cowboys AND STEELERS all have more Super Bowl victories than the Patriots. Although the Pats are tied for the most Super Bowl APPEARANCES, of the teams they're tied with, only Denver has lost more than the Pats.

That's one way to look at it.

But Brady/Belichick have won four. Montana/Walsh won 3, then Walsh retired and Montana won another the following year with a new coach. That's pretty remarkable.

Bradshaw/Knoll won four, so that plus the two additional that Roethlisburger won (one with Cowher, one with Tomlin), actually makes the Steelers the greatest franchise in NFL history.

Nevertheless, the sustained run of excellence (15 years and counting) that the Pats have been on under Brady/Belichick is unprecedented.

so you are ignoring anything that happened in the nfl before 1967?

Post-merger is what everyone tends to focus on. Even going back to 1967...the game is so different it's impossible to compare. They didn't even keep track of a lot of stats back then.

they did not but it still part of nfl history. the nfl currently states the packers, bears and giants have the most total nfl championships.

And those teams DO have the most NFL Championships. They DON'T have the most Super Bowls. I think it was clear that most involved in this particular offshoot of the thread were talking about the Super Bowl era. It was to me anyway.

Apologies for my part of the confusion. I'll bow out of the historical conversation now as I really don't study much on the pre-Super Bowl era.

Peace,
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NFC is holding at ATL -4, AFC has moved a little to NE -5.5 or -6.

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The Patriots are the greatest football team of all time right now.

That's funny. I'd be curious to know what you were drinking when you typed that.

Greatest of all time? The 49ers, Cowboys AND STEELERS all have more Super Bowl victories than the Patriots. Although the Pats are tied for the most Super Bowl APPEARANCES, of the teams they're tied with, only Denver has lost more than the Pats.

That's one way to look at it.

But Brady/Belichick have won four. Montana/Walsh won 3, then Walsh retired and Montana won another the following year with a new coach. That's pretty remarkable.

Bradshaw/Knoll won four, so that plus the two additional that Roethlisburger won (one with Cowher, one with Tomlin), actually makes the Steelers the greatest franchise in NFL history.

Nevertheless, the sustained run of excellence (15 years and counting) that the Pats have been on under Brady/Belichick is unprecedented.

so you are ignoring anything that happened in the nfl before 1967?

Post-merger is what everyone tends to focus on. Even going back to 1967...the game is so different it's impossible to compare. They didn't even keep track of a lot of stats back then.

they did not but it still part of nfl history. the nfl currently states the packers, bears and giants have the most total nfl championships.

And those teams DO have the most NFL Championships. They DON'T have the most Super Bowls. I think it was clear that most involved in this particular offshoot of the thread were talking about the Super Bowl era. It was to me anyway.

Apologies for my part of the confusion. I'll bow out of the historical conversation now as I really don't study much on the pre-Super Bowl era.

Peace,
Mr DJA

Super Bowl 51 is actually Super Bowl 49 since Super Bowl 1 and Super Bowl 2 were not called that since it was the second annual (incorrectly listed as third annual on Wikipedia) AFL-NFL Championship game when it was officially called the Super Bowl, which was, revisionist wise ie "officially", Super Bowl 3, but the first named Super Bowl (that's the technically Super Bowl 1 part). For some reason by the time the 5th AFL-NFL Super Bowl came along they started using the ridiculous stupid obnoxious stupid stupid Roman numerals.

Regardless, I figured it was the Super Bowl era being talked about, which is the (since 1967-1970 revised history) new NFL Championship - the original NFL Championships are included in the new NFL Championships. For example...

Green Bay Packers NFL Championships: 13
1929, 1930, 1931, 1936, 1939, 1944, 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1996, 2010