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Well said, or enough said. George Harrison was accused of being sympathetic to Nazism by Geoffrey Giuliano in his tabloid bio 'Dark Horse for the same peaceful depiction of the swastika...in the privacy of his own home!
The Keith Moon quote is probably one of the best defenses I've ever read!
And, forgive my ignorance, but who was the Thin White Duke meant to be a representation of?
was it original german clothing from WWII or replica?
Original, which in the '80's was very easy to find in Holland. I wore a (fantastic) black German officers overcoat, and black leather German tank boots, a Canadian belt and American T-shirts. We where allowed to wear German insignia (wings etc), but not swastika's. My belt with swastika got confiscated at school.
In those days it was cheap, readily available, and it looked cool. At least we thought so.
Mathijs
Dylan's drummer on the 1966 UK tour Mickey Jones told this story : he once bought a Nazi flag and he found it "smart" to unfold it right in the street. Immediately someone in his car drove to him and tried to run him over...
Yes but this is nazi-stuff. Iron crosses etc. Keith wasn't a nazi but he was a bad boy. I think it also has to do with being British.
You filthy little devil.
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Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
loog droog
()
Date: August 8, 2016 17:10
Lighten up.
This was not meant as an endorsement of A.H.
At the time, it was an outrageous rock star move, and it meant nothing more than that.
There are photos of Brian Jones and Keith Moon in full Nazi getups. Brian's pic (stepping on a baby doll) was spun as an "anti-fascist protest" and Keith Moon...was just being Keith Moon.
There are pictures of Jimmy Page onstage wearing an SS officer cap.
But it all is an attempt to create biker/outlaw image.
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In my opinion, none of this is as perverse as Bowie playing the Thin White Duke.
But everything was a role for him.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-08-08 17:11 by loog droog.
This was not meant as an endorsement of A.H.
At the time, it was an outrageous rock star move, and it meant nothing more than that.
There are photos of Brian Jones and Keith Moon in full Nazi getups. Brian's pic (stepping on a baby doll) was spun as an "anti-fascist protest" and Keith Moon...was just being Keith Moon.
There are pictures of Jimmy Page onstage wearing an SS officer cap.
But it all is an attempt to create biker/outlaw image.
[rjamahoney.wordpress.com]
In my opinion, none of this is as perverse as Bowie playing the Thin White Duke.
But everything was a role for him.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-08-08 17:11 by loog droog.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
jlowe
()
Date: August 8, 2016 17:23
Not sure in which interview (or when) but Anita Pallenberg said she would like to make a film about the life of the German Film Director Leni Riefenstahl.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
Koen
()
Date: August 8, 2016 17:40
Quote
loog droog
Lighten up.
This was not meant as an endorsement of A.H.
At the time, it was an outrageous rock star move, and it meant nothing more than that.
There are photos of Brian Jones and Keith Moon in full Nazi getups. Brian's pic (stepping on a baby doll) was spun as an "anti-fascist protest" and Keith Moon...was just being Keith Moon.
There are pictures of Jimmy Page onstage wearing an SS officer cap.
And don't forget Lemmy.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
with sssoul
()
Date: August 8, 2016 17:52
And don't forget the link I posted on page 1
[hipquotient.com]
[hipquotient.com]
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
MingSubu
()
Date: August 8, 2016 19:37
Could it be like the Allied fighter planes putting the swastika on the side of their plane for number of kills?
Didn't keith mention in his book about the victorious having the loser's stuff and showing their dominance?
I'm guessing it's just for shock factor though.
Didn't keith mention in his book about the victorious having the loser's stuff and showing their dominance?
I'm guessing it's just for shock factor though.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
with sssoul
()
Date: August 8, 2016 19:50
Who were such small symbols going to shock, though?
I mean: How many people even noticed them before Exhibitionism opened?
I mean: How many people even noticed them before Exhibitionism opened?
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
open-g
()
Date: August 8, 2016 20:50
Those water slide decals came with model aircraft building kits and where widly available then (probably now too) . like these:
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can't really take it serious as it was a statement of the late 60s and the 70s.
I'd be very much more concened when someone used it in these days.
[www.revell.de]
can't really take it serious as it was a statement of the late 60s and the 70s.
I'd be very much more concened when someone used it in these days.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
Wry Cooter
()
Date: August 9, 2016 05:06
The swastika and Nazi gear were co-opted by 60s bikers, the punks in the 70s, fetish types at Studio 54 and such. I would imagine the primary goal was to get attention, offend, and be outrageous. Not to say there weren't some bigots in the mix as well.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
BroomWagon
()
Date: August 9, 2016 07:22
How about comparing and I won't post the graphics but...
The Kiss logo, note the 'ss". [pre04.deviantart.net]
Compare that to the Stormtrooper's 'ss' in World War II.
So, in the end, I think it's pretty inconsequential and as inferred above, these are different times. We are more politically correct now, one would not see such generally but back then, there might have been reasons.
Some biker types might have an "ss" tattoo; I think it's to be rebellious in most cases and not being a neo-Nazi type. Wouldn't catch me doing it though.
More food for thought, "Blitkrieg Bop"
"Hey ho, let's go shoot'em in the back now what they want, I don't know
They're all reved up and ready to go"
A pretty wild line there but everyone loves the song, it's played at sports events nowadays.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-08-09 07:28 by BroomWagon.
The Kiss logo, note the 'ss". [pre04.deviantart.net]
Compare that to the Stormtrooper's 'ss' in World War II.
So, in the end, I think it's pretty inconsequential and as inferred above, these are different times. We are more politically correct now, one would not see such generally but back then, there might have been reasons.
Some biker types might have an "ss" tattoo; I think it's to be rebellious in most cases and not being a neo-Nazi type. Wouldn't catch me doing it though.
More food for thought, "Blitkrieg Bop"
"Hey ho, let's go shoot'em in the back now what they want, I don't know
They're all reved up and ready to go"
A pretty wild line there but everyone loves the song, it's played at sports events nowadays.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-08-09 07:28 by BroomWagon.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
usetobesampeg
()
Date: August 9, 2016 09:28
Hmmm, two crosses for the top wings, two for the under side, two for the fuselage & two Swastikas for the tail, I’d bet money those crosses on the control plate came from a Model Kit decal sheet,
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
Spud
()
Date: August 9, 2016 10:28
Well spotted ! 
It will henceforth be known as the Airfix guitar
It will henceforth be known as the Airfix guitar
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
with sssoul
()
Date: August 9, 2016 11:08
More guitar porn in a nearby thread: [www.iorr.org]
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
dcba
()
Date: August 9, 2016 15:22
Just found a new pic of Keith being a bit "absent" during a dinner at Nellcote :
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2016-08-09 15:23 by dcba.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2016-08-09 15:23 by dcba.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: August 9, 2016 15:23
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dcba
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Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
nightskyman
()
Date: August 9, 2016 15:32
Quote
waterrats
"Swastica" is a Sanskrit compositum, made of "su-" and "asti". "-ka" is the nominative affix, If I recall correctly... ;-)
It simply means "(it) be good" or "may it be good". The sign is understood in Buddhism as a symbol for stability. That's why it's shown at right angle, with one 'foot' firmly on the ground.
The Nazis just mirrored it and turned it around for 45° - maybe that's why their 1000 years only lasted a few years. Which is exactly a few years too long, IMHO...
Well said, or enough said. George Harrison was accused of being sympathetic to Nazism by Geoffrey Giuliano in his tabloid bio 'Dark Horse for the same peaceful depiction of the swastika...in the privacy of his own home!
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
BroomWagon
()
Date: August 9, 2016 20:10
[hipquotient.com]
Discusses.
Discusses.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
2000 LYFH
()
Date: August 9, 2016 20:42
Quote
loog droog
There are photos of Brian Jones and Keith Moon in full Nazi getups. Brian's pic (stepping on a baby doll) was spun as an "anti-fascist protest" and Keith Moon...was just being Keith Moon.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
BeforeTheyMakeMeRun
()
Date: August 10, 2016 06:26
Quote
loog droog
Lighten up.
This was not meant as an endorsement of A.H.
At the time, it was an outrageous rock star move, and it meant nothing more than that.
There are photos of Brian Jones and Keith Moon in full Nazi getups. Brian's pic (stepping on a baby doll) was spun as an "anti-fascist protest" and Keith Moon...was just being Keith Moon.
...
In my opinion, none of this is as perverse as Bowie playing the Thin White Duke.
But everything was a role for him.
The Keith Moon quote is probably one of the best defenses I've ever read!
And, forgive my ignorance, but who was the Thin White Duke meant to be a representation of?
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
timbernardis
()
Date: August 10, 2016 06:40
Quote
MathijsQuote
guitarbastard
has probably been a topv before, but ive been to the stones exhibition in london today and on the 5string newman guitar that is shown there are small swasticas signs among other signs. does anyone know why?
we were a bit irritated...
Simply to provoke. I grew up in Holland, and we wore German army stuff all the time at school, it was just our way of being punk in the late 80's. Just to provoke teachers and parents.
Mathijs
was it original german clothing from WWII or replica?
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: August 10, 2016 06:48
Chris Farlowe is a big collector of Nazi memorabilia .....
CHRIS FARLOWE English rock singer in March 1967 at stall in Camden Passage, Islington, London. Photo Tony Gale
ROCKMAN
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-08-10 08:47 by Rockman.
CHRIS FARLOWE English rock singer in March 1967 at stall in Camden Passage, Islington, London. Photo Tony Gale
ROCKMAN
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-08-10 08:47 by Rockman.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
alimente
()
Date: August 10, 2016 08:36
I think it's not that simple. Trying to provoke is surely one aspect, but for some it's also a kind of weird fascination for Nazi stuff, possibly just like some are truly fascinated by Satan and evil forces, while for others it's just posing for provocational purposes which does not go deeper than that.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
riffcliche69
()
Date: August 10, 2016 09:58
I lived in London back then and knew someone who was into this. He first went to military surplus shops and, naturally, was rebuked. I don't know whether he found what he wanted, but would love to know where Keith, Jimmy and Chris found theirs. Flea markets sound likely. But with the war only a quarter century old, and, in outskirts the debris still remaining, shortages that lasted through the sixties , and one generation from the then-most advanced civilian-targeted rocketry, the seeker of this material would have found it rather daunting. He would have been hung up on phones and thrown out of shops.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
with sssoul
()
Date: August 10, 2016 11:31
Well according to the photo Rockman posted Chris Farlowe found stuff like that at stalls in Camden Market.
So clearly it wasn't that odd for people to collect it, at least by 1967.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-08-10 11:32 by with sssoul.
So clearly it wasn't that odd for people to collect it, at least by 1967.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-08-10 11:32 by with sssoul.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: August 10, 2016 12:04
Quote
timbernardisQuote
MathijsQuote
guitarbastard
has probably been a topv before, but ive been to the stones exhibition in london today and on the 5string newman guitar that is shown there are small swasticas signs among other signs. does anyone know why?
we were a bit irritated...
Simply to provoke. I grew up in Holland, and we wore German army stuff all the time at school, it was just our way of being punk in the late 80's. Just to provoke teachers and parents.
Mathijs
was it original german clothing from WWII or replica?
Original, which in the '80's was very easy to find in Holland. I wore a (fantastic) black German officers overcoat, and black leather German tank boots, a Canadian belt and American T-shirts. We where allowed to wear German insignia (wings etc), but not swastika's. My belt with swastika got confiscated at school.
In those days it was cheap, readily available, and it looked cool. At least we thought so.
Mathijs
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
dcba
()
Date: August 10, 2016 12:04
Quote
riffcliche69
with the war only a quarter century old, and, in outskirts the debris still remaining, shortages that lasted through the sixties , and one generation from the then-most advanced civilian-targeted rocketry, the seeker of this material would have found it rather daunting. He would have been hung up on phones and thrown out of shops.
Dylan's drummer on the 1966 UK tour Mickey Jones told this story : he once bought a Nazi flag and he found it "smart" to unfold it right in the street. Immediately someone in his car drove to him and tried to run him over...
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
Redhotcarpet
()
Date: August 10, 2016 16:32
Quote
waterrats
"Swastica" is a Sanskrit compositum, made of "su-" and "asti". "-ka" is the nominative affix, If I recall correctly... ;-)
It simply means "(it) be good" or "may it be good". The sign is understood in Buddhism as a symbol for stability. That's why it's shown at right angle, with one 'foot' firmly on the ground.
The Nazis just mirrored it and turned it around for 45° - maybe that's why their 1000 years only lasted a few years. Which is exactly a few years too long, IMHO...
Yes but this is nazi-stuff. Iron crosses etc. Keith wasn't a nazi but he was a bad boy. I think it also has to do with being British.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: August 10, 2016 16:42
The sun cross wasn't originally nazi-stuff, either.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
jlowe
()
Date: August 10, 2016 18:07
Was it true that Keith's childhood home was bombed by the Nazis?
Or is that just another Keith myth.
Or is that just another Keith myth.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
DonParker
()
Date: August 10, 2016 18:10
Quote
Mathijs
Simply to provoke. I grew up in Holland, and we wore German army stuff all the time at school, it was just our way of being punk in the late 80's. Just to provoke teachers and parents.
Original, which in the '80's was very easy to find in Holland. I wore a (fantastic) black German officers overcoat, and black leather German tank boots, a Canadian belt and American T-shirts. We where allowed to wear German insignia (wings etc), but not swastika's. My belt with swastika got confiscated at school.
In those days it was cheap, readily available, and it looked cool.
Mathijs
You filthy little devil.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
wonderboy
()
Date: August 10, 2016 18:20
Sporting such symbols is also a way to mock the Nazis. The Nazis took them seriously, you are treating them as a joke or a silly fashion statement.
It's also pretty common for people who believe they are oppressed to ironically take on the garb of their oppressors.
And a lot of it is just play, campy stuff like dressing up in women's clothes.
It's also pretty common for people who believe they are oppressed to ironically take on the garb of their oppressors.
And a lot of it is just play, campy stuff like dressing up in women's clothes.
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