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And to continue my rant - what else there is really to say any longer? That I love or hate some damn DIRTY WORK or not? - it is exactly because of all these Keith Richards people - call them whatever you want, I have named a few - and the atmosphere these people lay every @#$%& thread in this site that I have reduced all my sayings to this only very thread and the one discussing a new Stones album. Since this is a Jagger thread I thought some of the Richards people might a bit hold their horses. But yeah, I know I know it is stupid to even think so. 'Hey look at "Let's Work" - isn't that bloody horrible!'', "YES YES YES". "KEEF KEEF KEEF!"
I used to like very much this site I and I have written quite a lot here along the years. So many great contributors, so much insights to share. Now it feels like it is just me and some people adoring Keith's farth these days 'discussing' here. "Keith is genuine", "I loathe Mick".. Oh jeez...
Actually I do understand why all the people did 'go'. What I don't, is that why I haven't. Damn, to name one (of many), I miss Proud Mary, my lovely Russian 'neighbour'. Actually much what I write I write her in my mind, as a potential audience. I know she doesn't like all the things I say about Jagger, but I am sure she sees my true intentions, to be, I hope, fair and true. And I really respect the man.
- Doxa
I agree. It's a shame that Proud Mary isn't contributing here anymore and a shame that the keith-camp is so dominating here. Be it that they god knows why loved Crossdressed Fart, but why do they want to destroy this thread with no new arguments, no new analysing, just the same old jaggerbashing? This site gets so onedimensional and boring when people like Proudmary and you, Doxa, do not contribute.
OK, I'll take the bait, because enough is enough. I even wrote a review of Alfie in this thread, for fvcks sake!
Saying that this is a Mick-bashing thread is like seeing ghosts at broad daylight.
In EVERY thread there will be disagreement. Why is that so hard to grasp?
The brutal rudeness and totally unnecessary hostile comments – without exceptions – from proudmary is what you're longing for here? Really? Is that the unbiased and fair vibes you are looking for?? What kind of board do you want here?
When I spend an hour listening to Alfie, and one more to give my honest (and quite positive) review of it, this is what I get?
I understand that this isn't about me in particular, but I'm trying to show how it feels for a poster who wants to contribute, and what one gets in return.
This is a great thread. Anyone who goes to great lengths to say that it is clouded by bad vibes, or try to ruin it, should be ashamed of themselves.
Rant finished!
I just want a board where the Keith camp is less dominating and less thin-skinned.
Now it's getting ridiculous...what about using the complaint and whining thread ?
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Mick Jagger's solo albums is pop-music. That's fine, he has all the right to make it and Keith was wrong to get so upset about it, but it's pop music. Whereas the Stones at their best were much more than pop music. So is Keith's music, but of course his albums are much less accesible than the Stones.
So it's apples and oranges, you can like both or neither or only one of both or basically prefer the Stones (the latter I think goes for most of us).
As far as pop music goes, I prefer ABBA or Beatles or "Rumours" of Fleetwood Mac, but still, in general I am not interested in pop music. The problem is that - I think - Mick's talents lie much more in groovy soul/rock-n-roll/blues (i.e. Stones) than in pop, which is why his Stones' work is much better than his solo work. Did he take more risks than Keith, as GetHerAngie says? Yes, he did. And I can even sort of understand his need to make things like "Let's Work", just to really do something completely different. Good for him. And I prefer that above his solo-rockers ("Throwaway" and stuff like that) because those are "neither fish nor meat". But do I listen to any of it? Hell, no.
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Mick Jagger's solo albums is pop-music. That's fine, he has all the right to make it and Keith was wrong to get so upset about it, but it's pop music. Whereas the Stones at their best were much more than pop music. So is Keith's music, but of course his albums are much less accesible than the Stones.
So it's apples and oranges, you can like both or neither or only one of both or basically prefer the Stones (the latter I think goes for most of us).
As far as pop music goes, I prefer ABBA or Beatles or "Rumours" of Fleetwood Mac, but still, in general I am not interested in pop music. The problem is that - I think - Mick's talents lie much more in groovy soul/rock-n-roll/blues (i.e. Stones) than in pop, which is why his Stones' work is much better than his solo work. Did he take more risks than Keith, as GetHerAngie says? Yes, he did. And I can even sort of understand his need to make things like "Let's Work", just to really do something completely different. Good for him. And I prefer that above his solo-rockers ("Throwaway" and stuff like that) because those are "neither fish nor meat". But do I listen to any of it? Hell, no.
I have to agree to differ here, Mick refused to tour behind Dirty Work and Undercover, in fact no tour between 82' and 89' Keith had every reason to get upset.
Also i find it hard to recognize that Mick took risks during his solo career, other than to say the music he came out with was risky in the sense it was disappointing. That's not risky that's just uninspiring.
Keith's albums had nothing to do with taking risks, he just did what he does, because that's who he is. I get impression Mick didn't know who he was at this point in his life. Probably the wrong time to go it alone, in fact it was absolutely the wrong time to go solo.
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Mick Jagger's solo albums is pop-music. That's fine, he has all the right to make it and Keith was wrong to get so upset about it, but it's pop music. Whereas the Stones at their best were much more than pop music. So is Keith's music, but of course his albums are much less accesible than the Stones.
So it's apples and oranges, you can like both or neither or only one of both or basically prefer the Stones (the latter I think goes for most of us).
As far as pop music goes, I prefer ABBA or Beatles or "Rumours" of Fleetwood Mac, but still, in general I am not interested in pop music. The problem is that - I think - Mick's talents lie much more in groovy soul/rock-n-roll/blues (i.e. Stones) than in pop, which is why his Stones' work is much better than his solo work. Did he take more risks than Keith, as GetHerAngie says? Yes, he did. And I can even sort of understand his need to make things like "Let's Work", just to really do something completely different. Good for him. And I prefer that above his solo-rockers ("Throwaway" and stuff like that) because those are "neither fish nor meat". But do I listen to any of it? Hell, no.
I have to agree to differ here, Mick refused to tour behind Dirty Work and Undercover, in fact no tour between 82' and 89' Keith had every reason to get upset.
Also i find it hard to recognize that Mick took risks during his solo career, other than to say the music he came out with was risky in the sense it was disappointing. That's not risky that's just uninspiring.
Keith's albums had nothing to do with taking risks, he just did what he does, because that's who he is. I get impression Mick didn't know who he was at this point in his life. Probably the wrong time to go it alone, in fact it was absolutely the wrong time to go solo.
Well, Keith had some reasons to be upset, sure. But still, in retrospect, it would have been wiser if he'd just let Mick do this separate thing and get it out of his system.
You're right that Keith just did what he did, and that's why I like his solo-albums. There was of course the slight risk of his voice, and I think he grew/evolved very well into a style that fitted his voice best (slow and mid-tempo soul and slow paced rock).
Still, Mick really tried to do something hugely different. I don't know his motives. I don't care. I don't like his stuff, but if he wanted to do it, then he should. And it probably was as good as time as any, clearly the Stones were at a low-point for many reasons, and a change of air did everybody good.
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... but a real Stones fan has a moral obligation to say ‘Mick Jagger the solo artist sucks rocks.’
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And Mick’s solo stuff is basically telling me to go f**k myself, that’s how anti-Stones it sounds.
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... but a real Stones fan has a moral obligation to say ‘Mick Jagger the solo artist sucks rocks.’
This comes as close to anything I've read here to encapsulating the 47 pages of this thread: it is now a moral imperative to reject Mick Jagger's solo work.
Hard to know what to do with that.
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And Mick’s solo stuff is basically telling me to go f**k myself, that’s how anti-Stones it sounds.
Lol...makes you wonder if that was Mick's true intentions in trying to break away from being pigeonholed as "just" the singer of the Stones.
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So, by way of a quick summation:
Mick's solo records have a few good songs on them and many more crap songs on them.
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Mick should never have recorded any solo albums because if he hadn't everything would have been fine and The Rolling Stones would not have released crap albums for the past 35 years.
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The fact that Mick could not exclusively express himself creatively within the confines of The Rolling Stones proves what a small penis he has.
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Hey look sorry Longbeach just had a 'get off my cloud' moment
I believe I have concluded my tour here of the Mick Jagger solo thread.
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Hey look sorry Longbeach just had a 'get off my cloud' moment
I believe I have concluded my tour here of the Mick Jagger solo thread.
No worries, 35love. I often annoy myself with my constant harping. It's pathetic how I can't quit picking at this scab. I'm a disappointed parent, a jilted lover, a toddler-in-tantrum. I really need to see somebody about this affliction.
In terms of positivity, I do currently love watching with our 3-year-old LARVA, a wordless psychedelic Korean cartoon about the antics that two sewer-dwelling slug-like larvae get up to, and also listening during 3 am feedings of the 2-month-old to 5 different recordings this week of Rachmaninoff's ALL-NIGHT VIGIL because I find it haunting and revelatory. Eventually, I'll find a board where I can enthuse about stuff like that and leave you fine citizens alone.
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Hey look sorry Longbeach just had a 'get off my cloud' moment
I believe I have concluded my tour here of the Mick Jagger solo thread.
No worries, 35love. I often annoy myself with my constant harping. It's pathetic how I can't quit picking at this scab. I'm a disappointed parent, a jilted lover, a toddler-in-tantrum. I really need to see somebody about this affliction.
In terms of positivity, I do currently love watching with our 3-year-old LARVA, a wordless psychedelic Korean cartoon about the antics that two sewer-dwelling slug-like larvae get up to, and also listening during 3 am feedings of the 2-month-old to 5 different recordings this week of Rachmaninoff's ALL-NIGHT VIGIL because I find it haunting and revelatory. Eventually, I'll find a board where I can enthuse about stuff like that and leave you fine citizens alone.
I'm way past this point in my parenting. Now I subscribe to positive affirmation/ feel good today follows to force the happy thoughts into my head.
xxoo
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My no filter review of
Alfie (Soundtrack from the Motion picture) Mick Jagger 2004
I went thru the entire purchased release, 15 songs, 55 minutes.
2 songs were keepers/repeaters/elevating honestly hit it for me.
The rest not, but don't take that personally.
'New York Hustle'
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gorgeous funk and bass, fantastic feel of walking a bustling city street
'Wicked Time'
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oooh yeah THIS this is no white man mid life crisis yuppie Alfie, this is FRESH TODAY and sexy
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Hey look sorry Longbeach just had a 'get off my cloud' moment
I believe I have concluded my tour here of the Mick Jagger solo thread.
No worries, 35love. I often annoy myself with my constant harping. It's pathetic how I can't quit picking at this scab. I'm a disappointed parent, a jilted lover, a toddler-in-tantrum. I really need to see somebody about this affliction.
In terms of positivity, I do currently love watching with our 3-year-old LARVA, a wordless psychedelic Korean cartoon about the antics that two sewer-dwelling slug-like larvae get up to, and also listening during 3 am feedings of the 2-month-old to 5 different recordings this week of Rachmaninoff's ALL-NIGHT VIGIL because I find it haunting and revelatory. Eventually, I'll find a board where I can enthuse about stuff like that and leave you fine citizens alone.
I'm way past this point in my parenting. Now I subscribe to positive affirmation/ feel good today follows to force the happy thoughts into my head.
xxoo
I have two adult daughters who mostly hate my guts; hoping for an at least slightly different result this time around.
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Hey look sorry Longbeach just had a 'get off my cloud' moment
I believe I have concluded my tour here of the Mick Jagger solo thread.
No worries, 35love. I often annoy myself with my constant harping. It's pathetic how I can't quit picking at this scab. I'm a disappointed parent, a jilted lover, a toddler-in-tantrum. I really need to see somebody about this affliction.
In terms of positivity, I do currently love watching with our 3-year-old LARVA, a wordless psychedelic Korean cartoon about the antics that two sewer-dwelling slug-like larvae get up to, and also listening during 3 am feedings of the 2-month-old to 5 different recordings this week of Rachmaninoff's ALL-NIGHT VIGIL because I find it haunting and revelatory. Eventually, I'll find a board where I can enthuse about stuff like that and leave you fine citizens alone.
I'm way past this point in my parenting. Now I subscribe to positive affirmation/ feel good today follows to force the happy thoughts into my head.
xxoo
I have two adult daughters who mostly hate my guts; hoping for an at least slightly different result this time around.
Oh don't worry LB that's what children do when they reach a certain age.
My two son's do a good impression of hating me too
I'm sure they love us deep down
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...faggy little leather boy w a smaller piece of stick...
jaggers lyrics and 'performance' in this film and on the soundtrack were of earth-shaking interest and importance to me; I loved it, and still think it's an excellent film, even a brave one; very gritty and shitty; i don't care how crazy that cat was who put it together; he had a vision and executed it; it's a complex film w a lot of layers; he got incredible performances out of non-actors. Mick is perfect here and deserves endless praise. Memo to Turner STILL tears my head off; the soundtrack version only frankly. hee hee Jim Morrison portrait on the wall of Turner's place...i love that film for so many reasons. And I still listen to Turner very regularly; sometimes watching the clip; outrageous; scary even; genuinely. tuff stuff. hot stuff. all that and more. James Fox walked a very line between sanity and other himself I think, before this was all over. Fascinating; grueling; hard core stuff; done beautifully...
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Every time i open this site,it,s the same people talking bullshit about Jagger,always the Keith asslickers band.
So tired to read all the bullshit who,s coming from the same people all the time.
Childish stupid people,age of these people has to be up till 12 years old
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Maybe this thread should have been titled "Praise, worship, and holy devotion for Mick Jagger solo works".
Might have kept out some of the riff raff.