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O/T: my Apple iPod
Posted by: KingmanBarstow ()
Date: July 2, 2016 05:12

Ok, I admit, it was convenient for throwing the headphones on late at night and listening to tunes without annoying the neighbours with loud noise.

My iPod died last month and at the Apple Store I traded (recycled they said, and I wondered about that, and the 39 days of music I had on board) for a new one. Would the Apple Store bootleg my music library?

And, my new iPod sucks; very hard to use.

PS: I listen to vinyl and CDs as well so not all is lost

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Posted by: Irix ()
Date: July 2, 2016 11:40

It sounds like you have no Backup of the Music from your old iPod.

What was the cause that the old iPod died? Was it the Harddisk? Has the Apple Store tried to restore the Music Library from the HDD?

If you have purchased the Music in the iTunes Store you can download all the Content again for free.

Music from the iTunes Store is DRM-free since 7 years - other devices which are capable playing the AAC/MP4 format can play the iTunes music too and you could look for a different Music Player which comes close to the old iPod Classic.

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Posted by: Silver Dagger ()
Date: July 2, 2016 14:04

My Ipod Classic 160GB died back in January. I've since paid £140 to have a new hard drive put in but it still doesn't work. I can download about 10 albums and then it keeps freezing and I start the process all over again with Error Message 50 coming up. Horrible.

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Posted by: dadrob ()
Date: July 2, 2016 15:33

there is a place in woodstock Il that fixes them properly.. if I can find the name I will post it.

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Date: July 2, 2016 15:40

I thought the iPods died when the smartphones came, but I should have known better smiling smiley

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Date: July 2, 2016 15:45

The only I have is- I keep maybe 7 or 8 copies of my entire collection on different devices- I have around 14,000 songs.

I use my PC as the #1, amazon music/google cloud #2, my newer 128gb Ipod touch #3, Ipod classic #4, and 3 or 4 backup drives.

Granted, I keep other things like a few videos and my own audio masters but this way everything is covered. Yes, it is challenging to maintain at times.

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Posted by: KingmanBarstow ()
Date: July 2, 2016 16:42

I did backup the library fortunately. I think that the battery dies in an I
Pod, and then there is no replacing it. I did like the Classic as it was easy to use, this new one isn't. It's just another method for the big corp's to grind more money out of us. Replace stuff every several years. You can say the same thing about fridges, dishwashers, dryers, and washing machines as well. Sorry to be so O/T, just venting.

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Posted by: ElGeordie ()
Date: July 2, 2016 17:36

Got to admit that I was fairly late to the MP3 scene, I've had an Ipod video for about 10 years now. When the hard drive died I updated it to a 240 GB disk (from 80 GB ). I've also replaced the battery a couple of times. If you're reasonably handy, working on Ipods isn't that difficult and there are plenty of YouTube videos to help. If you don't feel confident enough to fix it yourself there are plenty of people out there willing to do the repairs. Apple just want to sell you a refurbed unit. - Do they even offer that these days?
The sound is so-so but for traveling and in-car use it surely beats hauling CDs around.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-07-02 17:36 by ElGeordie.

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Posted by: tumbled ()
Date: July 2, 2016 17:42

I spent a long time uploading cds to my iTunes library but when my laptop died, I somehow lost all my music on my playlists. so I don't use iTunes anymore. I don't understand how to save uploaded music to the account so that you can access it anywhere when you sign into iTunes. do you? I must be doing something wrong.

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Posted by: jambay ()
Date: July 2, 2016 18:04

talking to myself-
I wonder how long it would take to listen to 14,000 songs?

If each song was 4 minutes
4 x 14000 = 56,000 minutes
56,000 minutes / 60 = 934 hours
934 hours / 24 = 38 days

hmmmmmmm 38 days is not long as I thought it would be... Going to need to get some more songs.


I wonder how many songs I have on all of my CDs? and my LPs...
...and my cassettes and those five 8 track tapes I still have somewhere


I dont think I will ever buy a mp3 playerdealything,


But I should go ahead and obtain that stylus I have been needing for my turn table and get that thing going again... yeah...

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Posted by: Koen ()
Date: July 2, 2016 19:04

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tumbled
I don't understand how to save uploaded music to the account so that you can access it anywhere when you sign into iTunes. do you? I must be doing something wrong.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that everything you purchase through iTunes is available on all your devices. If you import music from CDs, you will need to use for instance a cloud service to access it somewhere else.

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Posted by: Irix ()
Date: July 2, 2016 19:40

Quote
KingmanBarstow

I think that the battery dies in an IPod, and then there is no replacing it.

The battery can be replaced - not quite easy, but it's possible: [www.ifixit.com] .

Maybe a good Repair Service can help.

It's also possible to replace the 1.8" HDD of the iPod Classic with a 1 TB mSATA-SSD via adapter. Some people have done it, reports are to find in the Internet via search engine: "ipod classic ssd mod".


[www.iflash.xyz]



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2016-07-02 20:10 by Irix.

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Date: July 2, 2016 20:41

Get Spotify, LOL grinning smiley

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Posted by: Aquamarine ()
Date: July 2, 2016 23:59

When Apple "repairs" an iPod, they just send you a refurbished one, not the same one you sent them.

When they stopped making iPod classics, I bought one quickly because they were pulled from shelves/sites almost immediately. I like to have a dedicated music gadget with a lot of memory--it would never all fit on my phone, for one thing. The one I have now hasn't died yet, but I'm not taking any chances! I've got the largest capacity one with so much music stored on it, including all my live mp3s--even though I listen mostly to vinyl, I'd be devastated to lose it all.

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Posted by: KingmanBarstow ()
Date: July 3, 2016 00:56

Quote
Irix
Quote
KingmanBarstow

I think that the battery dies in an IPod, and then there is no replacing it.

The battery can be replaced - not quite easy, but it's possible: [www.ifixit.com] .

Maybe a good Repair Service can help.

It's also possible to replace the 1.8" HDD of the iPod Classic with a 1 TB mSATA-SSD via adapter. Some people have done it, reports are to find in the Internet via search engine: "ipod classic ssd mod".


[www.iflash.xyz]

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Posted by: KingmanBarstow ()
Date: July 3, 2016 00:56

That's an operation requiring surgical precision!

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Posted by: jambay ()
Date: July 3, 2016 04:50

Companies making electronic devices which require batteries (that will wear out) to operate, not allowing users to easily replace those batteries, are only renting those devices to users, and if they dream I will put my overly personal information on a rented device they are mistaken.

It is another one of those situations where I choose to stop doing business with a company or I choose to not do business with those companies to start with. But enough lemmings happily waddle along and "rent" the devices not caring that they will send their device loaded with very personal information for simple maintenance, that more and more companies will continue down this path of appearing to sell devices but actually retaining ownership of the devices and the information contained on them.

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Date: July 3, 2016 05:28

Quote
Irix
Quote
KingmanBarstow

I think that the battery dies in an IPod, and then there is no replacing it.

The battery can be replaced - not quite easy, but it's possible: [www.ifixit.com] .

Maybe a good Repair Service can help.

It's also possible to replace the 1.8" HDD of the iPod Classic with a 1 TB mSATA-SSD via adapter. Some people have done it, reports are to find in the Internet via search engine: "ipod classic ssd mod".


[www.iflash.xyz]

Irix, I'm trying to understand this better. One can get 1TB into a Classic Ipod? This has been something I been struggling with. For years I carried three 160 GB Classics around with me at all times. About 55,000 tunes, and growing. Now the Ipods are dying out. They cost more and more; butI can not find a system that is as convenient in all aspects as this one. What I really am looking for is a device w 1 TB space, that can be uploaded through I Tunes, and that you can play w/ MP3 p;ayer.
Another plus re Ipods is how clear the overview is: you see what song is playing, artwork, next song, scrolling etc

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Posted by: KingmanBarstow ()
Date: July 3, 2016 05:52

Quote
jambay
Companies making electronic devices which require batteries (that will wear out) to operate, not allowing users to easily replace those batteries, are only renting those devices to users, and if they dream I will put my overly personal information on a rented device they are mistaken.

It is another one of those situations where I choose to stop doing business with a company or I choose to not do business with those companies to start with. But enough lemmings happily waddle along and "rent" the devices not caring that they will send their device loaded with very personal information for simple maintenance, that more and more companies will continue down this path of appearing to sell devices but actually retaining ownership of the devices and the information contained on them.

You have a good point. Not sure I like being referred to as a lemming, but I probably should not have given Apple my old iPod Classic with its run down battery for recycling (and my library on its HD). On the other hand, my iTunes library, they still have access to if they want. What you are saying is don't buy an iPod. I rarely buy songs from iTunes, so what is needed is a storage playable device that is personal and private.

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Date: July 3, 2016 06:07

I just hope they don't stop making Ipod touches all together. It works as a handy wi-fi device as well when out. I like having everything in one place. most of my early music was cd's i purchased at tower etc... where of course anything new is a download

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Posted by: jambay ()
Date: July 3, 2016 06:20

Quote
KingmanBarstow
Quote
jambay
Companies making electronic devices which require batteries (that will wear out) to operate, not allowing users to easily replace those batteries, are only renting those devices to users, and if they dream I will put my overly personal information on a rented device they are mistaken.

It is another one of those situations where I choose to stop doing business with a company or I choose to not do business with those companies to start with. But enough lemmings happily waddle along and "rent" the devices not caring that they will send their device loaded with very personal information for simple maintenance, that more and more companies will continue down this path of appearing to sell devices but actually retaining ownership of the devices and the information contained on them.

You have a good point. Not sure I like being referred to as a lemming, but I probably should not have given Apple my old iPod Classic with its run down battery for recycling (and my library on its HD). On the other hand, my iTunes library, they still have access to if they want. What you are saying is don't buy an iPod. I rarely buy songs from iTunes, so what is needed is a storage playable device that is personal and private.

Maybe another word would be better... but if enough people said "sorry, either put an easily replaceable battery in your players and an easily serviceable/replaceable hard drive in them, or we are not doing business" then they would do it. But as long as people give them money (Billions) to rent devices there is no reason for them to do it.

I was anti apple Ftunes from the start when they claimed the spot as the legal napster.... and that attitude cost me a lot of A LOT OF a ton of money. I said fudge them and then I watched apple stock sky rocket as people lined up to give them Billions of Dollars. It cost me a ton of money... and I dont mind admitting it because it helps me remember to not have/make that attitude mistake again. It is important to realize that people are... somethings... and they will happily line up everyday to pay $4.50 of a cup of coffee (seriously they do, they happily pay 10x-30x-50x what a cup of coffee cost to make). The moral- It is far more profitable to not give people credit for being smarter than that... it is best to just go with it and make a lot of money.

I have a huge collection of various electronic devices around here from radios to nightvision thingys to RC toys, boom boxes, kits and other things... and due to some issues I had recently I went through a bunch of boxes and saw a lot of this stuff again for the first time in years.

It is fun to simply stick a new battery in a RC car and run it around the house for a while. It would suck if it was all sealed up/enclosed and said on the bottom "send to Tyco to make work again"... although similarly (kind of) "they" have junked all of my cool old battery operated TVs and radios which are still in mint condition, but no longer work because of the switch from analog signals to digital signals. It used to be in a storm I was set... but not anymore.

As far which company mp3 device to buy with a easy replace battery, I dont know.

It may be that all of them have the non-replaceable batteries now.
That seems to be the profitable way to go... plus all of that glorious data collection.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-07-03 06:25 by jambay.

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Posted by: KingmanBarstow ()
Date: July 3, 2016 06:31

Quote
jambay
Quote
KingmanBarstow
Quote
jambay
Companies making electronic devices which require batteries (that will wear out) to operate, not allowing users to easily replace those batteries, are only renting those devices to users, and if they dream I will put my overly personal information on a rented device they are mistaken.

It is another one of those situations where I choose to stop doing business with a company or I choose to not do business with those companies to start with. But enough lemmings happily waddle along and "rent" the devices not caring that they will send their device loaded with very personal information for simple maintenance, that more and more companies will continue down this path of appearing to sell devices but actually retaining ownership of the devices and the information contained on them.



You have a good point. Not sure I like being referred to as a lemming, but I probably should not have given Apple my old iPod Classic with its run down battery for recycling (and my library on its HD). On the other hand, my iTunes library, they still have access to if they want. What you are saying is don't buy an iPod. I rarely buy songs from iTunes, so what is needed is a storage playable device that is personal and private.


Maybe another word would be better... but if enough people said "sorry, either put an easily replaceable battery in your players and an easily serviceable/replaceable hard drive in them, or we are not doing business" then they would do it. But as long as people give them money (Billions) to rent devices there is no reason for them to do it.

I was anti apple Ftunes from the start when they claimed the spot as he legal napster.... and my attitude cost me a lot of A LOT OF a ton of money. I said fudge them and then I watched apple stock sky rocket as people lined up to give them Billions of Dollars. It cost me a ton of money... and I dont mind admitting it because it helps me remember to not have/make that attitude mistake again. It is important to realize that people are... somethings... and they will happily line up everyday to pay $4.50 of a cup of coffee (seriously they do)(happily). It is far more profitable to not give people credit for being smarter than that... best to just go with it and make a lot of money.

I have a huge collection of various electronic devices around here from radios to nightvision thingys to RC toys, boom boxes, kits and other things... and due to some issues I had recently I went through a bunch of boxes and saw a lot of this stuff again for the first time in years.

It is fun to simply stick a new battery in a RC car and run it around the house for a while. It would suck if it was all sealed up/enclosed and said on the bottom "send to Tyco to make work again"... although similarly (kind of) "they" have junked all of my cool old battery operated TVs and radios which are still in mint condition, but no longer work because of the switch from analog signals to digital signals. It used to be in a storm I was set... but not anymore.

As far which company mp3 device to buy with a easy replace battery, I dont know.

It may be that all of them have the non-replaceable batteries now.
That seems to be the profitable way to go... plus all of that glorious data collection.

I completely agree. What would be wrong with Apple allowing purchasers of the iPod Classic to buy a new battery and replace the original once it has died. Especially after spending $300 plus on the playable device in the first place. We all know the answer to that question.

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Posted by: latebloomer ()
Date: July 3, 2016 06:34

I've got tunes on CD's, on the computer, on an iPod, on my phone, and on vinyl. There's Rhapsody, I tunes, Pandora and YouTube. Lately, I've been listening to more stuff on SoundCloud.

If I think about it much, I get kinda overwhelmed by it all....so I just try to stick with listening. cool smiley

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Posted by: KingmanBarstow ()
Date: July 3, 2016 06:42

Quote
latebloomer
I've got tunes on CD's, on the computer, on an iPod, on my phone, and on vinyl. There's Rhapsody, I tunes, Pandora and YouTube. Lately, I've been listening to more stuff on SoundCloud.

If I think about it much, I get kinda overwhelmed by it all....so I just try to stick with listening. cool smiley

Good one. What will not crap out is your vinyl, and remember the CD decomposing rumours of years back? Mine are still fine.

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Posted by: jambay ()
Date: July 3, 2016 06:43

Quote
KingmanBarstow
Quote
jambay
Quote
KingmanBarstow
Quote
jambay
Companies making electronic devices which require batteries (that will wear out) to operate, not allowing users to easily replace those batteries, are only renting those devices to users, and if they dream I will put my overly personal information on a rented device they are mistaken.

It is another one of those situations where I choose to stop doing business with a company or I choose to not do business with those companies to start with. But enough lemmings happily waddle along and "rent" the devices not caring that they will send their device loaded with very personal information for simple maintenance, that more and more companies will continue down this path of appearing to sell devices but actually retaining ownership of the devices and the information contained on them.



You have a good point. Not sure I like being referred to as a lemming, but I probably should not have given Apple my old iPod Classic with its run down battery for recycling (and my library on its HD). On the other hand, my iTunes library, they still have access to if they want. What you are saying is don't buy an iPod. I rarely buy songs from iTunes, so what is needed is a storage playable device that is personal and private.


Maybe another word would be better... but if enough people said "sorry, either put an easily replaceable battery in your players and an easily serviceable/replaceable hard drive in them, or we are not doing business" then they would do it. But as long as people give them money (Billions) to rent devices there is no reason for them to do it.

I was anti apple Ftunes from the start when they claimed the spot as he legal napster.... and my attitude cost me a lot of A LOT OF a ton of money. I said fudge them and then I watched apple stock sky rocket as people lined up to give them Billions of Dollars. It cost me a ton of money... and I dont mind admitting it because it helps me remember to not have/make that attitude mistake again. It is important to realize that people are... somethings... and they will happily line up everyday to pay $4.50 of a cup of coffee (seriously they do)(happily). It is far more profitable to not give people credit for being smarter than that... best to just go with it and make a lot of money.

I have a huge collection of various electronic devices around here from radios to nightvision thingys to RC toys, boom boxes, kits and other things... and due to some issues I had recently I went through a bunch of boxes and saw a lot of this stuff again for the first time in years.

It is fun to simply stick a new battery in a RC car and run it around the house for a while. It would suck if it was all sealed up/enclosed and said on the bottom "send to Tyco to make work again"... although similarly (kind of) "they" have junked all of my cool old battery operated TVs and radios which are still in mint condition, but no longer work because of the switch from analog signals to digital signals. It used to be in a storm I was set... but not anymore.

As far which company mp3 device to buy with a easy replace battery, I dont know.

It may be that all of them have the non-replaceable batteries now.
That seems to be the profitable way to go... plus all of that glorious data collection.

I completely agree. What would be wrong with Apple allowing purchasers of the iPod Classic to buy a new battery and replace the original once it has died. Especially after spending $300 plus on the playable device in the first place. We all know the answer to that question.
thumbs up

I was (still am) perplexed that people would (will) put up with that when I first heard about it. I was sure there would be a back lash... but nope. It is like I was sure there would be, had to be a backlash against allowing strangers to fondle their boobs balls butts... simply to get on a airplane... but everyday people line up, hold their arms out and seemingly say... I'll put up no resistance... touch-A touch-A touch me... I wanna be.... creatures of the flight.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-07-03 06:44 by jambay.

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Posted by: KingmanBarstow ()
Date: July 3, 2016 07:46

Quote
jambay
Quote
KingmanBarstow
Quote
jambay
Quote
KingmanBarstow
Quote
jambay
Companies making electronic devices which require batteries (that will wear out) to operate, not allowing users to easily replace those batteries, are only renting those devices to users, and if they dream I will put my overly personal information on a rented device they are mistaken.

It is another one of those situations where I choose to stop doing business with a company or I choose to not do business with those companies to start with. But enough lemmings happily waddle along and "rent" the devices not caring that they will send their device loaded with very personal information for simple maintenance, that more and more companies will continue down this path of appearing to sell devices but actually retaining ownership of the devices and the information contained on them.



You have a good point. Not sure I like being referred to as a lemming, but I probably should not have given Apple my old iPod Classic with its run down battery for recycling (and my library on its HD). On the other hand, my iTunes library, they still have access to if they want. What you are saying is don't buy an iPod. I rarely buy songs from iTunes, so what is needed is a storage playable device that is personal and private.


Maybe another word would be better... but if enough people said "sorry, either put an easily replaceable battery in your players and an easily serviceable/replaceable hard drive in them, or we are not doing business" then they would do it. But as long as people give them money (Billions) to rent devices there is no reason for them to do it.

I was anti apple Ftunes from the start when they claimed the spot as he legal napster.... and my attitude cost me a lot of A LOT OF a ton of money. I said fudge them and then I watched apple stock sky rocket as people lined up to give them Billions of Dollars. It cost me a ton of money... and I dont mind admitting it because it helps me remember to not have/make that attitude mistake again. It is important to realize that people are... somethings... and they will happily line up everyday to pay $4.50 of a cup of coffee (seriously they do)(happily). It is far more profitable to not give people credit for being smarter than that... best to just go with it and make a lot of money.

I have a huge collection of various electronic devices around here from radios to nightvision thingys to RC toys, boom boxes, kits and other things... and due to some issues I had recently I went through a bunch of boxes and saw a lot of this stuff again for the first time in years.

It is fun to simply stick a new battery in a RC car and run it around the house for a while. It would suck if it was all sealed up/enclosed and said on the bottom "send to Tyco to make work again"... although similarly (kind of) "they" have junked all of my cool old battery operated TVs and radios which are still in mint condition, but no longer work because of the switch from analog signals to digital signals. It used to be in a storm I was set... but not anymore.

As far which company mp3 device to buy with a easy replace battery, I dont know.

It may be that all of them have the non-replaceable batteries now.
That seems to be the profitable way to go... plus all of that glorious data collection.

I completely agree. What would be wrong with Apple allowing purchasers of the iPod Classic to buy a new battery and replace the original once it has died. Especially after spending $300 plus on the playable device in the first place. We all know the answer to that question.
thumbs up

I was (still am) perplexed that people would (will) put up with that when I first heard about it. I was sure there would be a back lash... but nope. It is like I was sure there would be, had to be a backlash against allowing strangers to fondle their boobs balls butts... simply to get on a airplane... but everyday people line up, hold their arms out and seemingly say... I'll put up no resistance... touch-A touch-A touch me... I wanna be.... creatures of the flight.

Agree again re: iPod



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2016-07-03 08:13 by KingmanBarstow.

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Posted by: JumpingKentFlash ()
Date: July 3, 2016 11:34

You have to back-up your music. I think it's called "Consolidate Archives" in iTunes. Granted, iTunes could be A LOT better the way especially the way it sets up the archive of music. There's still a ton of quirks with it 14 years later. My Stones collection goes after the European discography, and I had to make the first European album by myself. It has since magically disappeared. And I have Brussels Affair from the official release downloaded from someone on IORR, but it won't let me attach an artwork to it.

Just don't use the Apple Music streaming service. A guy wrote that he had a lot of his home made music in his iTunes, and when he got that service, it downloaded all his music to the cloud, so he could access it from there. In effect Apple stole his home made music and "let" him stream it.

JumpingKentFlash

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Posted by: Irix ()
Date: July 3, 2016 12:55

Quote
Palace Revolution 2000

One can get 1TB into a Classic Ipod?

Basically it's possible to upgrade the iPod Classic up to 1TB storage capacity with a SSD -- there're articles and guides like [www.iflash.xyz] , [www.alphr.com] or via search engine: "ipod classic ssd mod".

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Posted by: Chacho ()
Date: July 3, 2016 17:40

I do not know why anyone would have an iPod.

It has been scientifically proven that the Sansa Clip line of players are superior in 90% of the categories tested including sound quality.

Research the subject, or if you have the time to read a long technical article, then click HERE

Re: O/T: my Apple iPod
Posted by: jambay ()
Date: July 3, 2016 18:00

Quote
Chacho
I do not know why anyone would have an iPod.

It has been scientifically proven that the Sansa Clip line of players are superior in 90% of the categories tested including sound quality.

Research the subject, or if you have the time to read a long technical article, then click HERE

Not too long at all, then again, I just read the first 15 paragraphs... and BOOM!!
I do not know why anyone would have an iPod.

Thanks Chacho, great link

I am not smart enough to need to know the technical parts...
I am sold simply by things like...

THE DISPOSABLE FACTOR:
You can buy several Clip+ players for the price of one iPod or other high-end model that likely doesn't perform as well.

FLAC READ HERE:
Clip+ will play high quality FLAC files (FLAC is the most popular form of "lossless compression" and literally sounds identical to a CD).

No BS giving Apple your personal information when you open the mandatory Apple account so Apple can try to sell you all sorts of things and monitor most everything you do with your...

EASY AFFORDABLE MEMORY UPGRADE
A microSD card slot allows you to add cheap flash memory for vastly more storage


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