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Mark, Julian and John
Mark, Julian and John
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Interview with Brian Jones's Son DAVID LARS "CANNONBALL" BRANDSTONE: [www.angelfire.com]
That's a spoof, right ?
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Very interesting and very sad.
At least five kids (with basically no help for them or their Mums) is beyond an accident. I think it says a lot about his character. If he wasn't in the Stones I suspect no-one here would think he was anything other than a total shitbag.
Though I'm not a fan of Rawlings sensationalist hearsay rubbish, Paul Spendel's more considered and research driven approach makes it plausible that a factor in Brian's death was that he may finally have pissed off the wrong people.
Very sad.
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Very interesting and very sad.
At least five kids (with basically no help for them or their Mums) is beyond an accident. I think it says a lot about his character. If he wasn't in the Stones I suspect no-one here would think he was anything other than a total shitbag.
Though I'm not a fan of Rawlings sensationalist hearsay rubbish, Paul Spendel's more considered and research driven approach makes it plausible that a factor in Brian's death was that he may finally have pissed off the wrong people.
Very sad.
Yeah no that's not Brian's son, the ones mentioned before are indeed his children, however, apart from the baby that was adopted when he was in his teens, he never knew about any other children other than Julian and Mark. And when he had calmed down and was out of the stones in the late spring/summer of '69 he apparently talked very much with Anna about his sons and how proud he was of them and how ashamed he was that he hadn't been much of a dad to them and wanted them to visit Cothford Farm during school breaks and such and try to become a more prominent father figure in their life. He also wanted more children (which almost happened).
It's so sad that when he finally was getting himself straight he died, like he didn't get to keep his happiness.
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... he never knew about any other children other than Julian and Mark...
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Very interesting and very sad.
At least five kids (with basically no help for them or their Mums) is beyond an accident. I think it says a lot about his character. If he wasn't in the Stones I suspect no-one here would think he was anything other than a total shitbag.
Though I'm not a fan of Rawlings sensationalist hearsay rubbish, Paul Spendel's more considered and research driven approach makes it plausible that a factor in Brian's death was that he may finally have pissed off the wrong people.
Very sad.
Yeah no that's not Brian's son, the ones mentioned before are indeed his children, however, apart from the baby that was adopted when he was in his teens, he never knew about any other children other than Julian and Mark. And when he had calmed down and was out of the stones in the late spring/summer of '69 he apparently talked very much with Anna about his sons and how proud he was of them and how ashamed he was that he hadn't been much of a dad to them and wanted them to visit Cothford Farm during school breaks and such and try to become a more prominent father figure in their life. He also wanted more children (which almost happened).
It's so sad that when he finally was getting himself straight he died, like he didn't get to keep his happiness.
Oh no I replied to the wrong person haha ignore this )
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Interview with Brian Jones's Son DAVID LARS "CANNONBALL" BRANDSTONE: [www.angelfire.com]
That's a spoof, right ?
I don't know if it's a spoof. I was always interested in knowing how many children Brian had.
I was always interested to see if the Stones children would become talented music performers. Brian may have been the most talented prodigy ever. They say he could pick-up and instrument and master it quickly.
It would be interesting to see a list of every instrument Brian played on which song.
What is this thing?
Put your head in it and I will tell you...................
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wonderboy
That's a spot-on, fair assessment of him, imo.
He seemed to me like one of those addicts who was never going to recover and unlike Keith he didn't have an instinct for survival and a moral core. And as Mick once said, at the time they just didn't know how to help him.
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wonderboy
That's a spot-on, fair assessment of him, imo.
He seemed to me like one of those addicts who was never going to recover and unlike Keith he didn't have an instinct for survival and a moral core. And as Mick once said, at the time they just didn't know how to help him.
Ugh I hate to be repetitive but I truly do not believe that he was still abusing any drugs when he died. What he DID DO was take a Valium or Mandrax occasionally to help ease a restlessness he sometimes felt as a consequence from his earlier use of drugs but he never mixed it with alcohol and never took more than he was supposed to. And he drank, but not excessively ("Well he drank, like everybody else, the legal amount.", Anna Wohlin).
To trust only what the Stones, especially Mick and Keith, has said about Brian and his last months alive isn't completely trustworthy sources considering the fact that they've never said anything other than that he was a drunken, drugged up, abusive bastard since his death and also because they weren't even around him except for that day when they went down to sack him.
What we should do is trust what the people that were actually around Brian at that time says about his last months alive. Alexis Korner visited him numerous times at Cotchford Farm and said that he seemed happier then ever and the most clean he had ever seen him, John Lennon came by a couple of times to record some stuff Brian had been working on and Brian's girlfriend Anna has stated that the only time she saw him high was when the Stones went down to say he was out and Keith had brought a "present" for Brian which was a bag of cocaine (Brian was apparently very happy that Keith had thought about him even though the present was said drug haha), which Brian then took later that day and had to throw up since his body wasn't used to drugs.
But I don't think you should blame any of the Stones members for how they reacted to Brian while he really was out of it from '67 to '68 because I mean they were all grown men, they wasn't going to babysit him or anything. They had a job to do and when Brian didn't turn up or when he turned up but didn't contribute I understand if they felt frustrated and annoyed with him.
They did taunt him and I guess acted pretty immature though ("You know Mick and Keith really can be nasty, man. Last night, Brian just wasn’t allowed to contribute to the song they were working on. He had a harp part he thought he would work out. And they went, ‘All right, go out in the studio.’ They made him do it five or six times, where he had blood on both sides of his mouth from wailing so hard on the harp. But they hadn’t even rolled the tape.", Jack Nitzsche) Even Mick has admitted that he felt they behaved in a very childish way, and if Mick Jagger himself admits something like that, thats huge.
And the fact is that at the time of his death the post-mortem showed no real traces of drugs and his blood alcohol level represented the equivalent of just three and a half pints of beer.
(So sorry for all the text but I recently gained interest in his life and death and after much research I just find it important to bring forward some real facts about his last months in life that never gets mentioned in the media ) (And also, I'm not being confrontative or anything so please don't (let me be misunderstood))
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wonderboy
annajulia, just knowing what I do about addiction, if he was drinking and taking pills then he absolutely did not have his act together. If an addict is using (especially mixing all kinds of things) then he is abusing. Compound that with the fact he was hanging around with lowlifes and you had a recipe for disaster.
Fwiw, I believe Keith could just as easily have died of some kind of misadventure along the way but survived because of good luck and being organized and/or mature enough to have somewhat of a support system around him.
The nature of bands is that lineups are always changing, especially at that time, so I believe that Mick and Keith probably did believe he would be OK after they sacked him, maybe join the Yardbirds or somebody like that (everybody else did, lol).
And I've always doubted that he was tired of the music the Stones were playing and wanted to get back to blues and roots music because the Stones spent '68 and '69 doing exactly that.
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jlowe
Paul Trynka's 2014 bio is by far and away the most thorough and balanced book on Brian. It won't satisfy every fan of course...but what would?
The chapters on Brian's childhood years in Cheltenham are as detailed as we are ever likely to get; unless his surviving sister writes her own story which would seem 99% unlikely.
Paul refers to two children by two schoolgirls, one called Barry David (or Simon) and another (given the name Hope)in the book, to protect her privacy.
It gets very confusing.
Brian's last girl friend Anna Wholin claims to have been pregnant when he died, subsequently miscarried.
Of course a lot of Brian's musical heroes had similar and chaotic situations with women, so no role models there.
The mother of Brian's 5th (dependent on the source) child, Dawn Molloy Young has written a book "Not Fade Away". I have not read it but it gets high praise on Amazon reviews, obviously her brief time with Brian is the focus, but it also dwells on the very great difficulties which single, unmarried mothers had to face as recent as the mid 60's. Brian gets quite a sympathetic study apparently; RS Ltd and Loog Oldham less so.
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Bliss
I would say that 3.5 pints of beer is an excessive amount.
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wonderboy
Keith's first child was born shortly after Brian died, and Keith was by most accounts a pretty devoted dad for all his problems, and perhaps that colored his subsequent feelings about Brian. When they were young they probably looked up to Brian's adventures with fatherhood; after they had experienced more of life probably not as much.
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Brian Jones Children lost their father 47 years ago...is this subject really of any intresst unless some of them Children is a bluesman just as Brian was?