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I feel the same way about Between the Buttons. In a way, that album is even worse than Dirty Work or Their Satanic because those albums (although full of cringeworthy rubbish) at least have some good songs (especially TSMR), whereas Between the Buttons is just nothing.
I agree they *tried* too much to sound like the Beatles (and other 60's pop like the Who or the Kinks), but they also failed, because even though I am not a great pop-fan nor a great Beatles fan, both Rubber Soul as Revolver have high quality songs.
It's weird though, because I love Aftermath, which is a pop/Beatles influenced album too. The difference is that Aftermath has strong songs and they sound authentic and inspired, like they are really having fun discovering a new way of making music.
I did not gain too much by that.
Hmmm...I Think Donovan is closer to Kinks style than Stones ever have been, even with those two examples in mind...Somenthing happened to me yesterday is Vera Lynn, during-second-World-war-kind-of-Music...Kinks is more Small Faces....
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These judgements depend to a certain extent on what kind of music that you like. REVOLVER is in its way hard to live up to for any album, at least John Lennon's four more or less psychedelic songs and George Harrison's songs. By the way, I fancy directions of psychehelic music and some freak music quite much. However, if you yourself think that AFTERMATH in any way can live up to the Beatles' possibly greatest album, then I think that also BETWEEN THE BUTTONS can. Not necessarily from an artistical measure, but in the manner that Stones music maybe more than Beatles music is an acquired taste. In that respect, I rank Stones music higher than the Beatles. Apart from that, on many occasions I also find that BETWEEN THE BUTTONS have a freshness that may surpass the albums '68 - '72. And maybe it is the Stones album, which I am most fond of. Then some may say my view of it is all out of blind love. My suggestion is that I find something there that has given rise to that love. I don't feel the Stones tried to sound like this and that other band, most profiled bands seldom do, and impulses are more indirect, but what BETWEEN THE BUTTONS is, it is their most English album, only that. But then I am not in opposition to pop music as such, which may have various forms. In the case of the Stones after their R&B period (which I also adore), sometimes mildly, other times more decidedly experimental character. And, in fact, I do like the Beatles very much as well.
I don't judge any Stones album to contain nothing, not even TATTOO YOU or DIRTY WORK. And I am pleased with the variety of Stones music and treasure many of their periods. So I am utterly unable to compete in negative judgement for any Stones album with your evaluation on BETWEEN THE BUTTONS.
As to THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES REQUEST, I love that, too, in all its almost wild and most daring experimentality.
The edit: I discovered that I had left the word "more" twice after a correction.
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Come on MadMax........ do you really think we have to react on this one ........a song with the most beautiful piano track...FLOWER POWER TO YOU...pity you missed it
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No, no, no...bite your tongue, Eddie!
Now the quotes come from the right posters.
I am reminded that in an earlier post I fell out of also mentionning good songs on BETWEEN THE BUTTONS. That could have been many. Confronted with the view, though, that there allegedly are none, I nominate only a few: "Back Street Girl", "She Smiled Sweetly", "Who's Been Sleeping Here", "Something Happened to Me Yesterday" at least. (Performing the same charge with the same severity towards EXILE ON MAIN STREET could have led me to name only four or five.)
Back Street Girl and Connection (as long as Mick is singing it) are good, very good even, but the other three are toilet cloggers. Make no mistake - If you tried to tell Mick to his face that these were good songs he’d call for security.
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Back Street Girl is the best of the lot, imo, it's excellent. Mick has said that he was very proud of Yesterday's Papers, the very first song he wrote by himself.
Mick is doing the lead vocals on Connection on BTB, of course.
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Are you addressing me? Did you not read what I wrote, and how? You who forgot to name "Complicated"! To me all the songs on the album are good. At least the four nominated in my former post are great and others, too. Least good, but quite good "Please Go Home".
To me this a golden era album, golden era no. 2, comprising this, the preceding and the following album, plus the magical single A- and B-sides "up to and including "We Love You".
No
And I agree with you (apart from the influenced by the Kinks-bit).
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You're in good company with Tom Waits.
'I Just Want To See His Face' - that song had a big impact on me, particularly learning how to sing in that high falsetto, the way Jagger does. When he sings like a girl, I go crazy. I said, 'I've got to learn how to do that.' I couldn't really do it until I stopped smoking. That's when it started getting easier to do. [Waits's own] 'Shore Leave' has that, 'All Stripped Down', 'Temptation'. Nobody does it like Mick Jagger; nobody does it like Prince. But this is just a tree of life. This record is the watering hole. Keith Richards plays his ass off. This has the Checkerboard Lounge all over it."
[www.theguardian.com]
"Hold Back",while not the best song in a musical sense,actually has good lyrics and a message worth listening to.
"Don't take chances,won't make advances" .
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Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Date: March 30, 2016 18:53
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You might as well have nominated "Ruby Tuesday" or "Wild Horses" as "She Smiled Sweetly" among your least respected five. You earn the equivalent amount of respect.
They way most people feel about Dirty Work is how I feel about Between the Buttons. After following Aftermath, Between the Buttons seems like a MAJOR step backwards. Its like they tried to create a "Beatles Album". Honestly anything not named Ruby Tuesday, Miss Amanda Jones, or Lets Spend the Night Together could qualify for my least favorite songs. Even Ruby Tuesday doesn't do much for me. I like my Stones with swagger. Songs with string arrangements don't exactly do it for me. Not surprising I much more prefer The Who, Kinks, and Zeppelin to the Beatles.
I feel the same way about Between the Buttons. In a way, that album is even worse than Dirty Work or Their Satanic because those albums (although full of cringeworthy rubbish) at least have some good songs (especially TSMR), whereas Between the Buttons is just nothing.
I agree they *tried* too much to sound like the Beatles (and other 60's pop like the Who or the Kinks), but they also failed, because even though I am not a great pop-fan nor a great Beatles fan, both Rubber Soul as Revolver have high quality songs.
It's weird though, because I love Aftermath, which is a pop/Beatles influenced album too. The difference is that Aftermath has strong songs and they sound authentic and inspired, like they are really having fun discovering a new way of making music.
Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Date: March 30, 2016 19:01
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OK, listen to the sound, the production and the vibe the Stones have here. I threw in some Kinks-snippets for you to show what I'm talking about.
I did not gain too much by that.
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But don't you hear the vibe on tracks like Something Happens To Me Yesterday? The music hall-influence, which the Stones never had done before. The resemblance, both musically and attitude-wise, between Connection and Party Line should be obvious. The playfulness, much similar to the Kinks, in Cool, Calm, Collected. Even the semi-freakiness, cobbled with the melodious, in All Sold Out was also to be found in the Kinks's music – at the time this was new for the Stones.
They might have picked up a thing or two from the Beatles (as the Kinks also did), but the final product – the sound – is imo reminiscent of that of the Kinks.
I have in at least one former thread acknowledged the likeness in melody between "Party Line" and "Connection"(which I had not noticed before), but it was then I used the words flavour and feel as different. And I referred myself to a certain kind of similiarity in build up between "Got Love If You want It" from Kinks' first album and "Cool, Calm, Collected", but in that case everything is always brought from some other issue. The other examples I find even more farfetched.
OK, listen to the sound, the production and the vibe the Stones have here. I threw in some Kinks-snippets for you to show what I'm talking about.
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Hmmm...I Think Donovan is closer to Kinks style than Stones ever have been, even with those two examples in mind...Somenthing happened to me yesterday is Vera Lynn, during-second-World-war-kind-of-Music...Kinks is more Small Faces....
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Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Date: March 30, 2016 19:42
Sweet hearts together and New faces
Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Date: March 30, 2016 20:01
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You might as well have nominated "Ruby Tuesday" or "Wild Horses" as "She Smiled Sweetly" among your least respected five. You earn the equivalent amount of respect.
They way most people feel about Dirty Work is how I feel about Between the Buttons. After following Aftermath, Between the Buttons seems like a MAJOR step backwards. Its like they tried to create a "Beatles Album". Honestly anything not named Ruby Tuesday, Miss Amanda Jones, or Lets Spend the Night Together could qualify for my least favorite songs. Even Ruby Tuesday doesn't do much for me. I like my Stones with swagger. Songs with string arrangements don't exactly do it for me. Not surprising I much more prefer The Who, Kinks, and Zeppelin to the Beatles.
I feel the same way about Between the Buttons. In a way, that album is even worse than Dirty Work or Their Satanic because those albums (although full of cringeworthy rubbish) at least have some good songs (especially TSMR), whereas Between the Buttons is just nothing.
I agree they *tried* too much to sound like the Beatles (and other 60's pop like the Who or the Kinks), but they also failed, because even though I am not a great pop-fan nor a great Beatles fan, both Rubber Soul as Revolver have high quality songs.
It's weird though, because I love Aftermath, which is a pop/Beatles influenced album too. The difference is that Aftermath has strong songs and they sound authentic and inspired, like they are really having fun discovering a new way of making music.
These judgements depend to a certain extent on what kind of music that you like. REVOLVER is in its way hard to live up to for any album, at least John Lennon's four more or less psychedelic songs and George Harrison's songs. By the way, I fancy directions of psychehelic music and some freak music quite much. However, if you yourself think that AFTERMATH in any way can live up to the Beatles' possibly greatest album, then I think that also BETWEEN THE BUTTONS can. Not necessarily from an artistical measure, but in the manner that Stones music maybe more than Beatles music is an acquired taste. In that respect, I rank Stones music higher than the Beatles. Apart from that, on many occasions I also find that BETWEEN THE BUTTONS have a freshness that may surpass the albums '68 - '72. And maybe it is the Stones album, which I am most fond of. Then some may say my view of it is all out of blind love. My suggestion is that I find something there that has given rise to that love. I don't feel the Stones tried to sound like this and that other band, most profiled bands seldom do, and impulses are more indirect, but what BETWEEN THE BUTTONS is, it is their most English album, only that. But then I am not in opposition to pop music as such, which may have various forms. In the case of the Stones after their R&B period (which I also adore), sometimes mildly, other times more decidedly experimental character. And, in fact, I do like the Beatles very much as well.
I don't judge any Stones album to contain nothing, not even TATTOO YOU or DIRTY WORK. And I am pleased with the variety of Stones music and treasure many of their periods. So I am utterly unable to compete in negative judgement for any Stones album with your evaluation on BETWEEN THE BUTTONS.
As to THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES REQUEST, I love that, too, in all its almost wild and most daring experimentality.
The edit: I discovered that I had left the word "more" twice after a correction.
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Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Date: March 30, 2016 20:16
For me, it's Hold Back. BTZ is pretty awful pseudo-funk, but HB is just bad in every way. The sloppy, off-tempo, loud drums, the loud guitars, and the vocal that sounds something like my dog barfing. (Or me barfing? A combination of the two, perhaps.) And of course, the dreadful lyrics. Everything about the song is bad. Except that it's the Stones...
Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Date: March 30, 2016 20:21
Not even close - Sweet Neo-Con closely followed by Indian Girl
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Date: March 31, 2016 20:14
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Speaking for myself, the words ring very hollow. I dislike the music and arrangement; it i as by the numbers minor key ballad. You know every change that is going to happen before it occurs. I hate the choice of words, but more than anything it is just the sense of treading water that I get.
To me the words don't ring hollow here, but on the contrary more sincere than usually.
That's cool Witness. That is one of the good things about music: how a song can mean something totally different to a brother next to you.
I read what you wrote about Buttons, and I too think it is by far the most British album, and IMO their most carefree album.
It was for years my only Stones record; so my first, and always a special one.
btw - that was weird how in the very post our quote are upside down.
Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Date: March 31, 2016 20:25
Streets Of Love... the least Stones sounding song. Not one note or chord is typically Stones. Even the melody is not Stones.
Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Date: March 31, 2016 20:54
Streets Of Love
Out Of Tears
Rock and a Hard Place
If You Cant Rock Me
Luxury
Out Of Tears
Rock and a Hard Place
If You Cant Rock Me
Luxury
Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Date: March 31, 2016 22:56
Anyway You Look At It.
Cook Cook Blues.
Fancy Man Blues.
Rock and a Hard Place.
Cook Cook Blues.
Fancy Man Blues.
Rock and a Hard Place.
Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Date: March 31, 2016 23:37
Lies........and a dozen other songs released on the last 5 records.....but does are not my least
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Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Date: March 31, 2016 23:56
She's A Rainbow. Totally pointless tune. Back To Zero is genius compared to Rainbow. Why did they play Rainbow when they could've done Backstreet Girl, Indian Girl or She Smiled Sweetly? Or Blinded or SOL? Rainbow is such a weak tune compared to other similar ones.
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Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Date: April 1, 2016 01:24
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She's A Rainbow. Totally pointless tune. Back To Zero is genius compared to Rainbow. Why did they play Rainbow when they could've done Backstreet Girl, Indian Girl or She Smiled Sweetly? Or Blinded or SOL? Rainbow is such a weak tune compared to other similar ones.
Come on MadMax........ do you really think we have to react on this one ........a song with the most beautiful piano track...FLOWER POWER TO YOU...pity you missed it
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Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Date: April 1, 2016 05:47
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No, no, no...bite your tongue, Eddie!
Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Speaking for myself, the words ring very hollow. I dislike the music and arrangement; it i as by the numbers minor key ballad. You know every change that is going to happen before it occurs. I hate the choice of words, but more than anything it is just the sense of treading water that I get.
To me the words don't ring hollow here, but on the contrary more sincere than usually.
That's cool Witness. That is one of the good things about music: how a song can mean something totally different to a brother next to you.
I read what you wrote about Buttons, and I too think it is by far the most British album, and IMO their most carefree album.
It was for years my only Stones record; so my first, and always a special one.
btw - that was weird how in the very post our quote are upside down.
Now the quotes come from the right posters.
Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Date: April 1, 2016 10:17
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I feel the same way about Between the Buttons. In a way, that album is even worse than Dirty Work or Their Satanic because those albums (although full of cringeworthy rubbish) at least have some good songs (especially TSMR), whereas Between the Buttons is just nothing.
I am reminded that in an earlier post I fell out of also mentionning good songs on BETWEEN THE BUTTONS. That could have been many. Confronted with the view, though, that there allegedly are none, I nominate only a few: "Back Street Girl", "She Smiled Sweetly", "Who's Been Sleeping Here", "Something Happened to Me Yesterday" at least. (Performing the same charge with the same severity towards EXILE ON MAIN STREET could have led me to name only four or five.)
Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Date: April 1, 2016 10:44
Connection, All Sold Out, Miss Amanda Jones, Back Street Girl, Yesterday's Paper.
Hello! Aren't those good songs?
Hello! Aren't those good songs?
Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Date: April 1, 2016 10:46
...in my lil' world they are more than good ...
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Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Date: April 1, 2016 11:07
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Connection, All Sold Out, Miss Amanda Jones, Back Street Girl, Yesterday's Paper.
Hello! Aren't those good songs?
Back Street Girl and Connection (as long as Mick is singing it) are good, very good even, but the other three are toilet cloggers. Make no mistake - If you tried to tell Mick to his face that these were good songs he’d call for security.
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Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Date: April 1, 2016 11:11
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Connection, All Sold Out, Miss Amanda Jones, Back Street Girl, Yesterday's Paper.
Hello! Aren't those good songs?
Back Street Girl and Connection (as long as Mick is singing it) are good, very good even, but the other three are toilet cloggers. Make no mistake - If you tried to tell Mick to his face that these were good songs he’d call for security.
Back Street Girl is the best of the lot, imo, it's excellent. Mick has said that he was very proud of Yesterday's Papers, the very first song he wrote by himself.
Mick is doing the lead vocals on Connection on BTB, of course.
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Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Date: April 1, 2016 11:29
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Connection, All Sold Out, Miss Amanda Jones, Back Street Girl, Yesterday's Paper.
Hello! Aren't those good songs?
Are you addressing me? Did you not read what I wrote, and how? You who forgot to name "Complicated"! To me all the songs on the album are good. At least the four nominated in my former post are great and others, too. Least good, but quite good "Please Go Home".
To me this a golden era album, golden era no. 2, comprising this, the preceding and the following album, plus the magical single A- and B-sides "up to and including "We Love You".
Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Date: April 1, 2016 11:43
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Connection, All Sold Out, Miss Amanda Jones, Back Street Girl, Yesterday's Paper.
Hello! Aren't those good songs?
Are you addressing me? Did you not read what I wrote, and how? You who forgot to name "Complicated"! To me all the songs on the album are good. At least the four nominated in my former post are great and others, too. Least good, but quite good "Please Go Home".
To me this a golden era album, golden era no. 2, comprising this, the preceding and the following album, plus the magical single A- and B-sides "up to and including "We Love You".
No
And I agree with you (apart from the influenced by the Kinks-bit).
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Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Date: April 1, 2016 12:50
I know that by now we will have nominated every song on the album, but I want to give a shout out to 'My Obsession'. When I was young, and this was my only Stones album, I remember it was always my least favorite. But now I think it is just incredible. First off it is kind of ballsy; the arrangement - to constantly put the breaks on, and come back in with that hypnotic beat. But it is the instrumental interludes, right after the odd, stretched out harmonies of whiny 'Obsession-o-on' that blow my mind. That piano, and that bass!
When I said earlier that I thought BTB is a carefree album it is this kind of stuff I;m thinking of. They did whatever felt right to them.
same goes for "All Sold Out". I mean - WTF!
When I said earlier that I thought BTB is a carefree album it is this kind of stuff I;m thinking of. They did whatever felt right to them.
same goes for "All Sold Out". I mean - WTF!
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Date: April 1, 2016 17:49
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I'd Much Rather Be With The Boys
Gunface
Blinded By Rainbows
And I love I Just Wanna See His Face. Unforgivable!
You're in good company with Tom Waits.
'I Just Want To See His Face' - that song had a big impact on me, particularly learning how to sing in that high falsetto, the way Jagger does. When he sings like a girl, I go crazy. I said, 'I've got to learn how to do that.' I couldn't really do it until I stopped smoking. That's when it started getting easier to do. [Waits's own] 'Shore Leave' has that, 'All Stripped Down', 'Temptation'. Nobody does it like Mick Jagger; nobody does it like Prince. But this is just a tree of life. This record is the watering hole. Keith Richards plays his ass off. This has the Checkerboard Lounge all over it."
[www.theguardian.com]
Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Date: April 1, 2016 18:32
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For me, it's Hold Back. BTZ is pretty awful pseudo-funk, but HB is just bad in every way. The sloppy, off-tempo, loud drums, the loud guitars, and the vocal that sounds something like my dog barfing. (Or me barfing? A combination of the two, perhaps.) And of course, the dreadful lyrics. Everything about the song is bad. Except that it's the Stones...
"Hold Back",while not the best song in a musical sense,actually has good lyrics and a message worth listening to.
"Don't take chances,won't make advances" .
Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Date: April 1, 2016 18:47
The 5 worst Stones studio cuts are :
1) Sing This All Together (See What Happens)
2) Who's Been Sleeping Here
3) Gomper
4) Look What The Cat Dragged In
5) Stealing My Heart
Not far behind :
* Always Suffering , Losing My Touch , Streets of Love , Dear Doctor , Sex Drive , New Faces , I'd Much Rather Be With the Boys , Suck on the Jugular
Not far behind those :
* The previously mentioned tracks from the bad halves of 'Between the Buttons' , 'Dirty Work' , 'Satanic Majesties' , very early tracks from before they got their song-writing act together,and also "Rough Justice" as well as "Don't Stop".
Most everything else they've done is pretty solid.
1) Sing This All Together (See What Happens)
2) Who's Been Sleeping Here
3) Gomper
4) Look What The Cat Dragged In
5) Stealing My Heart
Not far behind :
* Always Suffering , Losing My Touch , Streets of Love , Dear Doctor , Sex Drive , New Faces , I'd Much Rather Be With the Boys , Suck on the Jugular
Not far behind those :
* The previously mentioned tracks from the bad halves of 'Between the Buttons' , 'Dirty Work' , 'Satanic Majesties' , very early tracks from before they got their song-writing act together,and also "Rough Justice" as well as "Don't Stop".
Most everything else they've done is pretty solid.
Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Date: April 1, 2016 18:52
Where The Boys Go
Re: Least Favorite Studio Cut?
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Date: April 1, 2016 19:20
And the winners are...'Back to zero' and 'Sweet neo con'!
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