Ian Stewart
New York on 26th February 1981 - Ebert Roberts
Left: The issue from 1981 that first featured the interview with Stu.
Right: Stu and 18-year-old Bill German at the Rolling Stones Records office, 1981.
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Boogie With Stu
by Bill German
During my seventeen years publishing Beggars Banquet (1978-1996), I conducted about a dozen
interviews with the various members of the Stones. But before I had the chance to grill
Mick, Keith, Ronnie, or Bill Wyman, I launched my "Stones interviewing career" by sitting
down with Ian Stewart.
Ian, or "Stu" as he was known, was the perennial pianist for the Stones until his death in
December 1985. Commonly referred to as the "Sixth Stone," he was, chronologically speaking,
actually the "Second Stone." It was he and Brian Jones who formed the band. In fact, when
Keith Richards showed up to audition for the band, it was Stu who greeted him at the door.
Because Stu didn't fit the Stones' bad boy image, and because the Stones were not so much a
piano-driven band, he was placed in the background by the group's eventual manager, Andrew
Oldham. But knowledgeable Stones fans, as well as the Stones themselves, continued to
appreciate his presence. Stu played piano on almost every Stones album and tour until his
death and held various administrative positions with the band. He also took on several pet
projects. He helped organize 1983's ARMS tour (to benefit research into multiple sclerosis)
and did session work with groups like Led Zeppelin, the Stray Cats, and George Thorogood.
He especially enjoyed playing boogie woogie music in small British pubs with a bunch of his
local mates.
I was 18 years old in 1981 when Stu came to New York to promote the "Rocket 88" album. It
was an album of boogie woogie standards that featured Charlie Watts on drums, Jack Bruce on
bass, Alexis Korner on guitar, and Stu on piano. When I interviewed him at the Stones'
office in Rockefeller Center, I could tell he was as proud of this humble project as he was
of his association with the world-famous Rolling Stones.
Stu was in it purely for the music. He didn't care about all the extras that came with rock
'n' roll. He maintained a quiet lifestyle and never fell into the drugs & sex & booze scene
like so many others. He was content to go home after a Stones tour and spend his time
playing golf. Which is why his death at 47 came as such a shock.
He was the only person who could whip the Stones into shape, offering them all sorts of
harsh criticism. He'd refer to them as "Showers of Shit" and "Three-Chord Wonders" and
they'd take it from him. At Stu's funeral, Charlie Watts lamented, "Now there won't be
anyone to sneer at us and disapprove anymore." It's fair to say the Stones looked up to him
like an older brother and that he was the glue that held them together. Without him, they
truly felt lost for a while.
Here is an excerpt of my interview with Stu, which originally appeared in a 1981 issue of
Beggars Banquet.
Bill German: You've been called road manager, company secretary, and Sixth Stone. Which
term suits you best?
Ian Stewart: They're all vaguely correct, except that I was the second Stone, not the sixth
Stone. I am actually company secretary, which is an administration thing. Road manager
still applies. You can call me anything you like.
Bill German: Apart from recording sessions and tours, do you see much of the other Stones?
Ian Stewart: No, because they wander about so much. I see Charlie quite a lot, but Mick and
Keith just wander. Well, Keith spends a lot of time in New York, but Mick just wanders.
I'll tell you, my friends -- the people I see and hang around with -- are all guys I've
been friendly with for years, because I still live exactly where I used to before the
Stones came around. Most of them have nothing to do with music whatsoever. That's just the
way it happened, basically. I don't like rock 'n' roll as a way of life. I think it's
awful. Most of the people who are living on rock 'n' roll are living in a dream world.
Bill German: So you enjoy the fact that, unlike the other Stones, you can be a "star" one
day and anonymous the next?
Ian Stewart: I can't really say I'm a star, but it is nice to get up there and play a
little bit and then have some peace and quiet. But just because you're up there doesn't
mean you have to become a star. I play golf with Roger Waters [of Pink Floyd], one of the
most successful and richest bloody rock stars. And I can take him to the golf club and
nobody would recognize him. If he walked in this room right now, you probably wouldn't know
it. Floyd's made an absolute fortune, yet they've kept their faces out of the papers. I
don't think that's really fair to your fans, to have no contact with them whatsoever, but
that's the way Roger likes it. Floyd have kept themselves in a little capsule. Their own
fans don't know what they bloody all look like.
Bill German: I'm sure if Bill Wyman walked down the street many people wouldn't recognize
him.
Ian Stewart: They wouldn't now. But with Floyd they never did. There was a time when Bill
would've gotten torn apart walking into the street. In '66, I used to see Bill Wyman come
back to the hotel with half his bloody clothes off!
Bill German: So there's no regrets about not being up front with Mick, Keith, and Brian?
Ian Stewart: Nope, no.
Bill German: So Andrew Oldham almost did you a favor...
Ian Stewart: Almost, almost. He didn't do it [phasing Stu out of the main line-up] very
nicely. I honestly don't like Andrew Oldham as a person.
Bill German: Does it stem from that incident?
Ian Stewart: No, I just don't like his attitude. He's a brilliant guy, actually. And if it
were not for him, I don't think the Stones would've gotten to where they are now. They
would have made it no matter what. I mean, there would've been a group exactly like the
Rolling Stones and they would've been as good as the Rolling Stones, whether Brian and I
existed on the face of this earth or not. But they would've probably, if not for the
careful handling of the group by Andrew, burned themselves out in two years by playing too
much. Andrew was very careful about the exposure and image of the group. He only slipped up
when he tried to become a record producer. He knows nothing about music whatsoever. I mean,
you can still be a record producer and not know anything about music. But when Andrew
started this producing bit, he was more interested in the image of Phil Spector, running
around in big cars, with bodyguards, collecting money, and buying clothes. That's how he
thought producers should act.
Bill German: Is it true you helped put food in the Stones' mouths [when the band was first
forming]?
Ian Stewart: I was the only one with any money. They were living in that apartment. Well,
Mick had a university grant -- he had a little money -- but Keith and Brian had nothing.
Andrew? No, Andrew had money. But I wouldn't feed Andrew anyway. I wouldn't piss on him if
he were on fire.
Bill German: Why do you think you've stayed with the Stones for so long? And would you do
it all again?
Ian Stewart: I like the music. And yeah, oh sure, I'd do it all again.
New York on 26th February 1981 - Ebert Roberts
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