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True. And the track was never overdubbed. That's what fascinates me most. All the stories about guitar overdubs, acoustic guitars, these tracks just don't exist, unless someone can post it.
They do exist. There's half a dozen versions available in (a very limited) tape trader circle. The versions have various overdubs that all were wiped: acoustic guitars, two attempts at percussion, 3 takes with Henry Rollins etc.
But, on all versions the electric guitar remains the same, as do the piano, bass and drums.
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True. And the track was never overdubbed. That's what fascinates me most. All the stories about guitar overdubs, acoustic guitars, these tracks just don't exist, unless someone can post it.
They do exist. There's half a dozen versions available in (a very limited) tape trader circle. The versions have various overdubs that all were wiped: acoustic guitars, two attempts at percussion, 3 takes with Henry Rollins etc.
But, on all versions the electric guitar remains the same, as do the piano, bass and drums.
Mathijs
I have heard several WAOF boots, from several real hardcore collectors, no such tape ever popped up. An if these versions you mention do have overdubs that are wiped, how do we know they existed with acoustics in the first place? That's a funny contradiction to me.. But please go ahead, post them somewhere.
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DonParker
True. And the track was never overdubbed. That's what fascinates me most. All the stories about guitar overdubs, acoustic guitars, these tracks just don't exist, unless someone can post it.
They do exist. There's half a dozen versions available in (a very limited) tape trader circle. The versions have various overdubs that all were wiped: acoustic guitars, two attempts at percussion, 3 takes with Henry Rollins etc.
But, on all versions the electric guitar remains the same, as do the piano, bass and drums.
Mathijs
I have heard several WAOF boots, from several real hardcore collectors, no such tape ever popped up. An if these versions you mention do have overdubs that are wiped, how do we know they existed with acoustics in the first place? That's a funny contradiction to me.. But please go ahead, post them somewhere.
First -I hate it when people say 'I have a recording, and you don't, and I can't share it with you'. So, my apologies for doing just exactly this.
But there's a dozen or so tapes available with just about any track from 1977 to 1983 that Zentgraf mentions on his website. Quite some of it has been released over the last year, but there's still quite some unreleased. Check out his entry of November/December 1982: everything is available.
I have it, but I do not OWN it. The guys whom own it plan on releasing it, but to date this has not happened yet.
Anyways. On the WOAF outtakes you can hear several instrumental parts and vocals that have been overdubbed in 1981 that haven't been used on the final version. The acoustic guitar, some percussion, some extra vocals, 3 Henry Rollins tracks. The same with Slave by the way -there's a couple of versions with added sound effects, an added organ etc. that were later wiped for the final release.
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DonParker
True. And the track was never overdubbed. That's what fascinates me most. All the stories about guitar overdubs, acoustic guitars, these tracks just don't exist, unless someone can post it.
They do exist. There's half a dozen versions available in (a very limited) tape trader circle. The versions have various overdubs that all were wiped: acoustic guitars, two attempts at percussion, 3 takes with Henry Rollins etc.
But, on all versions the electric guitar remains the same, as do the piano, bass and drums.
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DonParker
True. And the track was never overdubbed. That's what fascinates me most. All the stories about guitar overdubs, acoustic guitars, these tracks just don't exist, unless someone can post it.
They do exist. There's half a dozen versions available in (a very limited) tape trader circle. The versions have various overdubs that all were wiped: acoustic guitars, two attempts at percussion, 3 takes with Henry Rollins etc.
But, on all versions the electric guitar remains the same, as do the piano, bass and drums.
Mathijs
Now, a version of WOAF featuring Henry Rollins would be something to
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Hmm. It didn’t work? I’ll have to try again when I get home.
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Hmm. It didn’t work? I’ll have to try again when I get home.
If you post both the "https" and "http"-links they will be visible on cell phones as well.
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Hmm. It didn’t work? I’ll have to try again when I get home.
I listened very close (again) to the links you provided. There's no acoustic guitar, you probably hear shades / the reverb from the electric guitar mixed with the piano.
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I hear an acoustic guitar, buried, but it's there. It can't be an echo because the electric is playing a different rhythm. On the released version listen close at the 3 minute mark.,. you can hear the chime of a steel string acoustic guitar. It's audible at other parts as well.
It's more audible in this version:
Could this be Mick Taylor's alleged contribution, as it would be pretty hard for Richards to play two guitars at once on a basic tracking session, or could it be picked-up from Jagger's vocal mic while he strummed? Hard to say, but I find it strange Taylor said he played on it if he didn't.
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Anyways. On the WOAF outtakes you can hear several instrumental parts and vocals that have been overdubbed in 1981 that haven't been used on the final version. The acoustic guitar, some percussion, some extra vocals, 3 Henry Rollins tracks. The same with Slave by the way -there's a couple of versions with added sound effects, an added organ etc. that were later wiped for the final release.
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Anyways. On the WOAF outtakes you can hear several instrumental parts and vocals that have been overdubbed in 1981 that haven't been used on the final version. The acoustic guitar, some percussion, some extra vocals, 3 Henry Rollins tracks. The same with Slave by the way -there's a couple of versions with added sound effects, an added organ etc. that were later wiped for the final release.
Mathijs
Don't know if the tapes Mathijs is referring to are the Collins tapes that were recently made available on the Hot Stuff Section.
Anyways, at last I got the chance to listen to these by now mythological "acoustic" versions of Friend.
My questions are: how do we know that ALL these acoustic tracks were overdubbed in 81 and were not already there at the time the electric track was done?
And who plays on them?
Reason why I ask is that I think there is more than one player. Or one player who plays different strumming patterns. On one in particular Keith is quite recognizable. I guess none are played by Ronnie (his strumming on acoustic is quite distinctive).
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