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Unfortunately, this is NOT a wide cabinet amp, and NOT a 15" speaker (and also does not look like a EV speaker, but I am not certain).


Mathijs

I sent another message to that dealer, just to be certain.

2016/01/05
Hi sir,
Just saw the Amp. Are you sure it's a 15" speaker, could it be a 12" looking from the back ?

Looking foreward your reply,



Hi, yes, I am very certain it's a 15" speaker!
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Alberto Guizzetti

Did the dealer change the pictures? The amp now is a wide cabinet with 8 knobs and 4 switches on the front.

Mathijs

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Although the 1981 Rolling Stones show was actually in Missouri not Kansas. Kansas City straddles the border of Missouri and Kansas and Kemper Area is on the Missouri side.

Shit, so it is an MK I,53 after all.

LOL Not necessarily, but since Mathijs is considerably more knowledgeable about Stones gear than I or the Mesa Boogie rep probably is I'm willing to accept the possibility it is indeed a MKI. Perhaps some additional photos or info. will surface some day and we can make a better determination.

Just joking. We'll never find out for sure, it's too long ago. However, I would put my money on the knowledge of MB in this thread.

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Did the dealer change the pictures? The amp now is a wide cabinet with 8 knobs and 4 switches on the front.

Mathijs

Yes he did. I had my doubts about that 15" speaker. Now somebody should buy it
and tell us.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-01-07 13:50 by DancelittleSister.

how do you monkey with an archival photo from 34 years ago ? photo shop?

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Just to note -15" speakers where not 'custom' per se. Boogie's simply could be ordered with 12 or 15" speakers, 5-band EQ, 60/100 watt switch etc. 15" speakers are very popular with pedal steel players.

Mathijs

Mesa Boogies, on the other hand, are not popular with pedal steel players! (In general - Fender and Peavey tend to be most popular)

Now there is this pic of a Boogie combo. I am certain this is not a MKII -Mesa Boogie's answer is not telling me anything. Yes, in 1981 MKIIB's where popular and new, but not with the Stones. They used many MKIIB's heads (the coloseum version), but I have yet to see a MKIIB combo before 1983 (when they starting to use new combo's). They had half a dozen MKI's, and they used them all while practicing and warming up back stage. No MKII's. And again, all amps ever ordered by the Stones had reverb and EQ.

I am still a bit baffled by the fact that the amp s not miced. This normally means the amp is used as a monitor, something they did in 1975 with Charlie (a Fender Twin). It could mean the combo is not used buy Taylor, but that Taylor indeed is playing one of the spare Coloseum heads, and that would than be spare for Wood.

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MKIIb Coliseums didn't have reverb in 1981 tour. You can quite clearly see back panel of those amps in LSTNT Blu-Ray, while beginning of UMT. There's just a blank space.. And it's not in the front panel neither.

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MKIIb Coliseums didn't have reverb in 1981 tour. You can quite clearly see back panel of those amps in LSTNT Blu-Ray, while beginning of UMT. There's just a blank space.. And it's not in the front panel neither.

Thanks for the info AAY. So the reverb was optional for these MKIIb Coliseums, but not ordered by the Stones? That makes it likely the same goes for that posted (possible) MKII then.



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Yes, both reverb and eq were optional. I think they didn't need guitar amps with reverb for stadium tour but that is just guessing.. There exist multiple different versions of these amps. Different speakers, different color etc. I own the most basic version of MKIIb; no eq or reverb.

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MKIIb Coliseums didn't have reverb in 1981 tour. You can quite clearly see back panel of those amps in LSTNT Blu-Ray, while beginning of UMT. There's just a blank space.. And it's not in the front panel neither.

Thanks for the info AAY. So the reverb was optional for these MKIIb Coliseums, but not ordered by the Stones? That makes it likely the same goes for that posted (possible) MKII then.[/quote]



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Did the dealer change the pictures?

Mathijs

I heard the dealer was squealing?

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Now there is this pic of a Boogie combo. I am certain this is not a MKII -Mesa Boogie's answer is not telling me anything. Yes, in 1981 MKIIB's where popular and new, but not with the Stones. They used many MKIIB's heads (the coloseum version), but I have yet to see a MKIIB combo before 1983 (when they starting to use new combo's). They had half a dozen MKI's, and they used them all while practicing and warming up back stage. No MKII's. And again, all amps ever ordered by the Stones had reverb and EQ.

I am still a bit baffled by the fact that the amp s not miced. This normally means the amp is used as a monitor, something they did in 1975 with Charlie (a Fender Twin). It could mean the combo is not used buy Taylor, but that Taylor indeed is playing one of the spare Coloseum heads, and that would than be spare for Wood.

Mathijs

MKIIb Coliseums didn't have reverb in 1981 tour. You can quite clearly see back panel of those amps in LSTNT Blu-Ray, while beginning of UMT. There's just a blank space.. And it's not in the front panel neither.[/quote]

Can you make a screen shot? As far as I know the Coloseum's the Stones used (and WOod used until 1995) where standard MKIIB coloseum, 8 knobs, 4 switches, Reverb and EQ.



Mathijs

Here we go. The conclusion I made was it ain't have reverb but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Backpanel of Keith's amp looks just like mine. US model and no reverb. And I assumed that 8th knob in the front is presence.









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WHy couldn't it have been reverb on the front panel, like Mathijs's pic above? Did you assume it because you thought it was the same model as yours, or is there something else I'm missing here?

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Here we go. The conclusion I made was it ain't have reverb but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Backpanel of Keith's amp looks just like mine. US model and no reverb. And I assumed that 8th knob in the front is presence.

Nice shots!

To be honest, I can't see anything on the first picture. You see they have removed the back panel, probably to ease the access to the tubes when one blows throughout the show. On the bottom of the amps there should be a reverb tank, wrapped in black vinyl. Here's a pic of the back of a 1982 Coliseum with reverb. The reverb is behind the power chord, but you can hardly see it:



But it does make sense though, to have an amp without the reverb, as you would normally prefer to have a dry amp on stage, and let the monitor and PA mixer add the reverb. That's how Keith's sound is since 1989.

What is interesting though is the second amp from the right, the one in hard wood: that looks very much like a bass version of the Coliseum head. This means that one of the reasons Wyman sounded so clear and upfront on the 1981 tour was because he was using the Boogie, and not the Ampeg.

I am curious -can you see that Keith is plugged in into the amp on the left, and can you seen Wyman being plugged in in the hard wood amp? Meaning, do you see a jack going into the front of the amp?

Mathijs

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Thanks. But you can't see whether they are plugged in to the front of the amp, or that the input is routed to the back.

Ps all the switches on Keith's amp seem to be in the up position, meaning EQ On, Full Power.

Mathijs



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Just been peaking real close -that hard wood amp is a guitar amp, not a bass amp. Wyman has two Ampeg heads on top of each other, with the cabinet next to it. The hard wood amp is on, but in standbye.

Mathijs

this should be a Sunday night mystery movie of the week with Lt. Columbo aka just one more question ?

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this should be a Sunday night mystery movie of the week with Lt. Columbo aka just one more question ?

There are still some loose ends..



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this should be a Sunday night mystery movie of the week with Lt. Columbo aka just one more question ?

There are still some loose ends..

you know exactly what i am talking about !