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I never thought they got enough respect for the great music they created. They had a whole lot more talent and range than they get credit for.

I agree.
Part of the reason is the 80's (decade) teens and early 20 somethings couldn't get past their beloved hair-head, talentless, tight-leather-pants-with-a sock-buldge 80's rock to appreciate how great the music of the 90's was/is. STP was given a lot artistic freedom and they explored it well.

well that part is fasle

Hmmmm. A lot of comments about Scott's past drug and addiction problems but nothing that states unequivocally his death was due to drugs or is even drug related.

Very sad nonetheless. My condolences to his friends and family.

very jarring, but I guess not shocking. very sad, RIP.

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Too bad.

I met Scott and Prince Rupert at Four Seasons Toronto back in 1994.
They were spaced out but he did a great job as opening act for the Stones at that night.
Very sad news.

I saw them open for the Stones on this tour in Toronto at the CNE stadium or grandstand whatever it's called. They sat at the front of the stage and did an unplugged set and nobody seemed to be paying attention. But I wanted to see them. They certainly would have been better off playing all electric.

Here's a fascinating interview Howard Stern did with Scott Weiland a few years ago: [www.youtube.com]
It's tough watching Scott talk about being raped at age 12. It clearly affected him psychologically.



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Boognish fixed the link.....cheers.

Pretty tough to watch that for a lot of reasons actually.



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Oops! That could have been potentially embarrassing!
Thanks for fixing the link, Naturalust

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Oops! That could have been potentially embarrassing!
Thanks for fixing the link, Naturalust

Well it was uplifting to hear amidst this somber thread, thanks for the mistake!

Glad it didn't link to the Osmond Brothers though - for your sake and mine.

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I saw them open for the Stones on this tour in Toronto at the CNE stadium or grandstand whatever it's called.
They sat at the front of the stage and did an unplugged set and nobody seemed to be paying attention.
But I wanted to see them. They certainly would have been better off playing all electric.

Scott created around distinctive atmosphere and fascinated females surround him.
Later, my wife bought all STP albums and bootleg video of that show at the Exhibition Stadium.
And I was a bit surprised that the opening band was staying the same hotel as the Stones.
I remember I saw many boys and girls wearing "Purple" t-shirt in Toronto city or the airport.

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One think I always liked about STP is that they seemed to be dedicated to the songs and the music. This was no parade of egos or theater of posing, they really seemed to get that it was all about the songs and let the image go where it may. I doubt they cared whether they were considered grunge-lite, they never tried to out grunge the grungers, they just tried to produce the best music they could. I have respect for that kind of attitude and think it served them well since they have quite a few great songs.

This.



Atlanta.

[www.youtube.com]

Best three frontmen ever...
1. Jagger
2. Peter Wolf
3. Weiland

Very very sad - But I think his ex-wife put it all into perspective with her response in Rolling Stone Magazine...

[www.rollingstone.com]

WOW!!! ... powerful words from his ex-wife



ROCKMAN

Yes it is very powerful holding back tears reading it...

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Very very sad - But I think his ex-wife put it all into perspective with her response in Rolling Stone Magazine...

[www.rollingstone.com]

I think she put it in her perspective...very sad for their kids.
Seems a bit soon for her to be venting publicly, but perhaps it's her way of mourning?
A shame he won't be able to respond to her perspective, maybe others close to him will...

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Very very sad - But I think his ex-wife put it all into perspective with her response in Rolling Stone Magazine...

[www.rollingstone.com]

Real mixed feeling about that one umakmehrd. A bit brutal for my tastes. On the surface it seems like she is all about the kids but she blames Scott for her depression, her mis-diagnosed bi polar disorder, says she isn't casting judgement as she piles on judgement after judgement. She mixes some good points in with some utterly compete crap, imo

There are two sides to every story. Scott certainly can't defend himself at this point, alot of that stuff is none of our business. Scott has been paying this woman $60,000/ month in child support payments. I'm sure he loved his kids very much too.

Anyway, I've read some of the stuff this woman has written (and done) in the past and think she is as crazy as Scott was sick with addiction and other personal issues. Sound like the raving of a scorned, spiteful and angry woman to me. Anyone who knows the history of those two knows she needs to share some of the blame for some really crazy stuff that happened, ironically some of it around the kids.

I prefer to remember Scott for what he brought to my life, great music. Articles like this I can do without. I suspect she will regret ever writing it. What effect will reading this have on her kids someday? Probably not a positive one. Two words for Mary Weiland....No Class.

Well said Naturalust.

I know nothing about either of those two, but something about reading that reeked of something unholy.

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Well said Naturalust.

I know nothing about either of those two, but something about reading that reeked of something unholy.

Thanks Hairball, but I think you were able to say in 5 words what took me over 200. I'm going to try again using your style:

Two words....No Class.

I agree with you guys i'm sure she is as buckcherry said a "crazy bitch" - I came away from the article thinking about their 2 kids... Sad Sad Sad

We can contrast that to what Scott wrote about Mary during the middle of a brutal divorce. Just as sad really but considerably kinder...that last line tears me up. These could be song lyrics.....

"When I was 16 years old, I dreamed of being a famous rock star. I never knew what came along with it — the good, the bad, and the straight-up bullshit. I thought that creating beauty would bring beauty... Not always. At 16, Mary dreamed of being a famous model. She came close but she gave up her career for [the couple's kids] Noah, Lucy, and myself. She never got to see the 'what could have happened.'

"Well, as everyone knows by now, we are getting divorced and yes, Mary is writing a book which I have not read. But what I want everyone to know that it has nothing to do with infidelity. Neither the divorce nor the book. Please don't place the red letter upon my children's mother.

"One last thing... My love for her will never end. We just forgot how to be friends. She has now chosen a public career and one that brings both accolades and public scrutiny. There will be more of this sort of thing to deal with as time goes by... both good and bad.

"Divorce is hell, I remember it well and we deal with it every day. And if you think about it, we both have our 'what-ifs' and 'why-nots,' but it's no cheaters' story and all I ask is to not see her cry."

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Well said Naturalust.

I know nothing about either of those two, but something about reading that reeked of something unholy.

Thanks Hairball, but I think you were able to say in 5 words what took me over 200. I'm going to try again using your style:

Two words....No Class.

Yes since I read this in Rolling Stone it has bothered me. She obviously feels this way, and undoubtedly, for many good reasons. However, to dump this out publicly immediately after Scott's death is simply wrong. I'm a little surprised
Rolling Stone put this online given the timing.

It's sad from so many angles. Scott was given so much, but had his demons. But when you have kids, they have to come first, & he had trouble with that. His 58K a month child support/alimony didn't help matters. Mary is protecting her children & not covering his ass anymore. I also feel for the band. STP could've been one of the all time greats, it all fell apart because of Scott's issues.

SAD

I can't resist:

58k a month?! For that kind of dough, can't you throw in a clause that says 'you may never speak of me again, and if you must, you say I'm a nice guy'
something like that?
That's a big nut every month. No wonder he was pounding the pavement/ bar gigs up in Minnesota winter.

I'm so sorry about this. It's a brutal, incredibly sad disease.

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I can't resist:
says 'you may never speak of me again, and if you must, you say I'm a nice guy'
something like that?
That's a big nut every month. No wonder he was pounding the pavement/ bar gigs up in Minnesota winter.

I'm so sorry about this. It's a brutal, incredibly sad disease.

Sure you can add the clause but it costs you an extra $10K. month.

You are absolutely right about Scott pounding the pavement to keep his and his families lifestyle up. He talked about what a grind touring had become and how it was the only way he could make money these days. What he probably needed was a year off to really heal his mind and body....does it sound like Mary would have been willing to take a reduction in child support while he did?

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Hmmmm. A lot of comments about Scott's past drug and addiction problems but nothing that states unequivocally his death was due to drugs or is even drug related.

Very sad nonetheless. My condolences to his friends and family.

Not that they always have their facts before reporting but TMZ had this>


Scott Weiland's tour bus was a pharmacy on wheels ... police found a stash of drugs on board that ran the gamut from hardcore narcotics to prescriptions to ED meds.
TMZ obtained a copy of the search warrant Bloomington, MN cops got to search Weiland's bus after his death -- and it shows they found at least 2 bags of a white substance. They've already said that substance tested positive for cocaine.
Also on the bus -- a generic version of Xanax, 2 different brands of sleeping pills, Buprenorphine ... a synthetic opiate painkiller, and Viagra. There was also Ziprasidone ... which is used to treat bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. Scott was diagnosed as bipolar in 2001.
According to the docs, all of those drugs were found in a bedroom on the bus. We know Scott's body was found in a bedroom ... although the document does not mention his name.
Cops also found one bag of a green, leafy substance


Read more: [www.tmz.com]

Take away the "rock star" mythology from Scott Weiland and what you're left with was a very unwell man with numerous mental health and substance abuse problems. The music industry is culpable in letting people like SW continue to work in, to understate it, an unhealthy environment. SW had a contract with someone, he was an employee of some company - what did they do to ensure his safety at work, knowing of his serious mental health/drug problems?

I think his ex-wife, understandably angry because her children now have no father, was quite right to let rip publicly. Let's not celebrate the myth of another needlessly dead junkie rock star.

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Take away the "rock star" mythology from Scott Weiland and what you're left with was a very unwell man with numerous mental health and substance abuse problems. The music industry is culpable in letting people like SW continue to work in, to understate it, an unhealthy environment. SW had a contract with someone, he was an employee of some company - what did they do to ensure his safety at work, knowing of his serious mental health/drug problems?

I think his ex-wife, understandably angry because her children now have no father, was quite right to let rip publicly. Let's not celebrate the myth of another needlessly dead junkie rock star.

What rock star mythology? Scott was a certifiable rock star no myths involved Ted. We could say the same thing about Keith and Ronnie. Until you've walked a day in the man's shoes I don't think it really fair to judge the man so harshly.

Addiction is considered a disease by most professionals, unfortunately one that takes the sick person to decide if and when they want to get better. Yes ultimately Scott was probably mostly responsible for all his screw ups, blown relationships and everything TMZ and all the other media whores dig up on him so people can salivate and watch a man suffering from within the bubbles of their own lives. I'm sure plenty of people around Scott tried to help him get well, we don't know the details of how his management tried to help him, they obviously didn't want the guy to die. We don't really even know how the guy died yet.

Obviously his ex-wife was angry, pretty clear from that scathing article, she's got the right to feel any way she wants, but publishing that crap a couple days after his death didn't do anyone any good,imo. She wasn't speaking out for support of addiction or mental health services, she wasn't really helping her kids out or mine. At this point I think the man deserves some compassion and celebration for what he did give the world, a piece of his heart and soul and some great music obviously at a great cost.

Yes it's not right glorifying the junkie rock star lifestyle but Scott never did that. He spoke pretty openly about his problems, obviously wanted to heal himself and had lots of guilt and pain...it was written on the guys face in the last few years. He did some good work with Music Cares, donated quite a bit of money to them and did some interviews promoting sobriety and talking about the dangers of drugs. His mythology is not some rock star glorifying the use of drugs and poor lifestyle choice, imo....it is of an addicted and genius musician who never fully healed from his illness.

RIP Scott, I for one will celebrate what you were able to give us.

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Hmmmm. A lot of comments about Scott's past drug and addiction problems but nothing that states unequivocally his death was due to drugs or is even drug related.

Very sad nonetheless. My condolences to his friends and family.

Not that they always have their facts before reporting but TMZ had this>


Scott Weiland's tour bus was a pharmacy on wheels ... police found a stash of drugs on board that ran the gamut from hardcore narcotics to prescriptions to ED meds. TMZ obtained a copy of the search warrant Bloomington, MN cops got to search Weiland's bus after his death -- and it shows they found at least 2 bags of a white substance. They've already said that substance tested positive for cocaine. Also on the bus -- a generic version of Xanax, 2 different brands of sleeping pills, Buprenorphine ... a synthetic opiate painkiller, and Viagra. There was also Ziprasidone ... which is used to treat bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. Scott was diagnosed as bipolar in 2001. According to the docs, all of those drugs were found in a bedroom on the bus. We know Scott's body was found in a bedroom ... although the document does not mention his name.
Cops also found one bag of a green, leafy substance

Read more: [www.tmz.com]

Thank you, mighty stork, for the follow-up.

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Take away the "rock star" mythology from Scott Weiland and what you're left with was a very unwell man with numerous mental health and substance abuse problems. The music industry is culpable in letting people like SW continue to work in, to understate it, an unhealthy environment. SW had a contract with someone, he was an employee of some company - what did they do to ensure his safety at work, knowing of his serious mental health/drug problems?

I think his ex-wife, understandably angry because her children now have no father, was quite right to let rip publicly. Let's not celebrate the myth of another needlessly dead junkie rock star.

What rock star mythology? Scott was a certifiable rock star no myths involved Ted. We could say the same thing about Keith and Ronnie. Until you've walked a day in the man's shoes I don't think it really fair to judge the man so harshly.

Addiction is considered a disease by most professionals, unfortunately one that takes the sick person to decide if and when they want to get better. Yes ultimately Scott was probably mostly responsible for all his screw ups, blown relationships and everything TMZ and all the other media whores dig up on him so people can salivate and watch a man suffering from within the bubbles of their own lives. I'm sure plenty of people around Scott tried to help him get well, we don't know the details of how his management tried to help him, they obviously didn't want the guy to die. We don't really even know how the guy died yet.

Obviously his ex-wife was angry, pretty clear from that scathing article, she's got the right to feel any way she wants, but publishing that crap a couple days after his death didn't do anyone any good,imo. She wasn't speaking out for support of addiction or mental health services, she wasn't really helping her kids out or mine. At this point I think the man deserves some compassion and celebration for what he did give the world, a piece of his heart and soul and some great music obviously at a great cost.

Yes it's not right glorifying the junkie rock star lifestyle but Scott never did that. He spoke pretty openly about his problems, obviously wanted to heal himself and had lots of guilt and pain...it was written on the guys face in the last few years. He did some good work with Music Cares, donated quite a bit of money to them and did some interviews promoting sobriety and talking about the dangers of drugs. His mythology is not some rock star glorifying the use of drugs and poor lifestyle choice, imo....it is of an addicted and genius musician who never fully healed from his illness.

RIP Scott, I for one will celebrate what you were able to give us.

Nicely put...

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Take away the "rock star" mythology from Scott Weiland and what you're left with was a very unwell man with numerous mental health and substance abuse problems. The music industry is culpable in letting people like SW continue to work in, to understate it, an unhealthy environment. SW had a contract with someone, he was an employee of some company - what did they do to ensure his safety at work, knowing of his serious mental health/drug problems?

I think his ex-wife, understandably angry because her children now have no father, was quite right to let rip publicly. Let's not celebrate the myth of another needlessly dead junkie rock star.

What rock star mythology? Scott was a certifiable rock star no myths involved Ted. We could say the same thing about Keith and Ronnie. Until you've walked a day in the man's shoes I don't think it really fair to judge the man so harshly.

Addiction is considered a disease by most professionals, unfortunately one that takes the sick person to decide if and when they want to get better. Yes ultimately Scott was probably mostly responsible for all his screw ups, blown relationships and everything TMZ and all the other media whores dig up on him so people can salivate and watch a man suffering from within the bubbles of their own lives. I'm sure plenty of people around Scott tried to help him get well, we don't know the details of how his management tried to help him, they obviously didn't want the guy to die. We don't really even know how the guy died yet.

Obviously his ex-wife was angry, pretty clear from that scathing article, she's got the right to feel any way she wants, but publishing that crap a couple days after his death didn't do anyone any good,imo. She wasn't speaking out for support of addiction or mental health services, she wasn't really helping her kids out or mine. At this point I think the man deserves some compassion and celebration for what he did give the world, a piece of his heart and soul and some great music obviously at a great cost.

Yes it's not right glorifying the junkie rock star lifestyle but Scott never did that. He spoke pretty openly about his problems, obviously wanted to heal himself and had lots of guilt and pain...it was written on the guys face in the last few years. He did some good work with Music Cares, donated quite a bit of money to them and did some interviews promoting sobriety and talking about the dangers of drugs. His mythology is not some rock star glorifying the use of drugs and poor lifestyle choice, imo....it is of an addicted and genius musician who never fully healed from his illness.

RIP Scott, I for one will celebrate what you were able to give us.

Nicely put...

one wonders though, if he'd have given the whole thing up to live another 30 or 40 years. live fast die young looks great on paper, but he'll never see his kids grow up or anything else.