dirtywork is a terrible album, embarrassing to let people hear it and try to suggest its by the best rock band ever.

high points are harlem shuffle which is average.
sleep tonight which is good if not great
and one hit to the body which is slightly better than average.

the rest of the album is a haze of noise and nothing more.



steel wheels has some weak songs

mixed emotions
terrifying
hearts for sale
cant be seen
rock and a hard place

although none of the songs are terrible.

but they generally are better than anything off dirtywork and steel wheels is more versatile.

the good stuff on it are

blinded by love
hold on to your hat
almost hear you sigh
break the spell
continental drift

slipping away is quite good too

and sad sad sad is ok.


steel wheels is much better than dirtywork, although it has filler.

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«But I don't listen to music like that»

That's interesting. We might say that DW contains lots of interesting musical stuff, but that the wholeness and the songs aren't really well-crafted pieces that stand on their own.

On Wandering Spirit, however, the wholeness is excellent. But the interesting musical stuff glimmer with its absence. The instrumentation is classic session men-sounding, making it a brilliant vehicle for Mick to shine.

I love WS, but it is indeed Mick and the songs that shine, not the band, imo.

For me the enthusiasm so many people feel for WS is a mystery. It's especially Mick's way of singing, so over the top, trying-too-hard, that grates me. Besides that, the guitars and the keyboards all sound wrong. I'm sure some of the songs are great, I actually like Sweet Thing (on which Mick sings fine) but even there the keyboard annoys me. And I really tried liking this album.

If you stick to the context of solo Jagger then WS is mind numbingly awesome.

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dirtywork is a terrible album, embarrassing to let people hear it and try to suggest its by the best rock band ever.

Great summary! Spot on and to the point.

And correct.

Almost hear you sigh, and slipping away are absolute classics.
There is no denying that. Two timeless songs, not so bad.

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Almost hear you sigh, and slipping away are absolute classics.
There is no denying that. Two timeless songs, not so bad.

I completely forgot about Slipping Away.
That song alone sort of saves SW.
Almost Hear You Sigh isn't bad either.
I don't really understand what people see in Break The Spell or Hold On To Your Hat, though.

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Almost hear you sigh, and slipping away are absolute classics.
There is no denying that. Two timeless songs, not so bad.

I completely forgot about Slipping Away.
That song alone sort of saves SW.
Almost Hear You Sigh isn't bad either.
I don't really understand what people see in Break The Spell or Hold On To Your Hat, though.

BTS is a nice blues and HOTYH is a pedestrian rocker, imo. Totally different songs.

BTS is indeed a nice blues.

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Almost hear you sigh, and slipping away are absolute classics.
There is no denying that. Two timeless songs, not so bad.

I completely forgot about Slipping Away.
That song alone sort of saves SW.
Almost Hear You Sigh isn't bad either.
I don't really understand what people see in Break The Spell or Hold On To Your Hat, though.

BTS is a nice blues and HOTYH is a pedestrian rocker, imo. Totally different songs.

I'd say BTS is a pedestrian "blues", on the edge of pop. It would be a nice addition to - say - Rumours from Fleetwood Mac, but from the Stones, I prefer something with a rougher edge.
Hold On To Your Hat sounds like something from a promising grunge band. The only thing I like about it is the solo.

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Almost hear you sigh, and slipping away are absolute classics.
There is no denying that. Two timeless songs, not so bad.

I completely forgot about Slipping Away.
That song alone sort of saves SW.
Almost Hear You Sigh isn't bad either.
I don't really understand what people see in Break The Spell or Hold On To Your Hat, though.

BTS is a nice blues and HOTYH is a pedestrian rocker, imo. Totally different songs.

I'd say BTS is a pedestrian "blues", on the edge of pop. It would be a nice addition to - say - Rumours from Fleetwood Mac, but from the Stones, I prefer something with a rougher edge.
Hold On To Your Hat sounds like something from a promising grunge band. The only thing I like about it is the solo.

As it challenges the blues format, and there are lots of interesting fhings going on in it (Ronnie's bass, Mick's wonderful harp and those charming guitars) I'm having trouble with seeing why Break The Spell is pedestrian. But that's me

in addition, mick is able to sing it without quite reaching his mocking/humorous tone which he so often does in such things.

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in addition, mick is able to sing it without quite reaching his mocking/humorous tone which he so often does in such things.

He chose his dramatic/creepy tone, though

Break The Spell & Hold On To Your Hat = very entertaining enjoyable songs, pure adrenaline.

Almost Hear You Sigh & Slipping Away = awful boring music for rest home inhabitants sitting in their steel wheel-chairs.

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Break The Spell & Hold On To Your Hat = very entertaining enjoyable songs, pure adrenaline.

Almost Hear You Sigh & Slipping Away = awful boring music for rest home inhabitants sitting in their steel wheel-chairs.

Why do you think they named the album Steel Wheels?

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in addition, mick is able to sing it without quite reaching his mocking/humorous tone which he so often does in such things.

No, but instead he's trying to make it sound "mysterious" and "suggestive".

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Almost hear you sigh, and slipping away are absolute classics.
There is no denying that. Two timeless songs, not so bad.

I completely forgot about Slipping Away.
That song alone sort of saves SW.
Almost Hear You Sigh isn't bad either.
I don't really understand what people see in Break The Spell or Hold On To Your Hat, though.

BTS is a nice blues and HOTYH is a pedestrian rocker, imo. Totally different songs.

I'd say BTS is a pedestrian "blues", on the edge of pop. It would be a nice addition to - say - Rumours from Fleetwood Mac, but from the Stones, I prefer something with a rougher edge.
Hold On To Your Hat sounds like something from a promising grunge band. The only thing I like about it is the solo.

As it challenges the blues format, and there are lots of interesting fhings going on in it (Ronnie's bass, Mick's wonderful harp and those charming guitars) I'm having trouble with seeing why Break The Spell is pedestrian. But that's me

There are at least two songs on Rumours of Fleetwood Mac that challenge the blues format and with a lot of things going on. It's not bad, it's just not what I want the Stones to be doing.
Ventilator Blues also challenges the blues format, but it's about a 1000 times more convincing.

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Almost hear you sigh, and slipping away are absolute classics.
There is no denying that. Two timeless songs, not so bad.

I completely forgot about Slipping Away.
That song alone sort of saves SW.
Almost Hear You Sigh isn't bad either.
I don't really understand what people see in Break The Spell or Hold On To Your Hat, though.

BTS is a nice blues and HOTYH is a pedestrian rocker, imo. Totally different songs.

I'd say BTS is a pedestrian "blues", on the edge of pop. It would be a nice addition to - say - Rumours from Fleetwood Mac, but from the Stones, I prefer something with a rougher edge.
Hold On To Your Hat sounds like something from a promising grunge band. The only thing I like about it is the solo.

As it challenges the blues format, and there are lots of interesting fhings going on in it (Ronnie's bass, Mick's wonderful harp and those charming guitars) I'm having trouble with seeing why Break The Spell is pedestrian. But that's me

There are at least two songs on Rumours of Fleetwood Mac that challenge the blues format and with a lot of things going on. It's not bad, it's just not what I want the Stones to be doing.
Ventilator Blues also challenges the blues format, but it's about a 1000 times more convincing.

Ventilator Blues is a blues in name only.

I can't see the comparison to Rumours tracks here. Break The Spell is built up around a descending blues line that usually comes at the end of a 12 bar blues. It's quite an intelligent move, imo – original, at least. They create a sound and an atmosphere on BTS that only the Stones can do. The lazy adult pop of Rumours (although brilliantly done) is too different, imo.

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Almost hear you sigh, and slipping away are absolute classics.
There is no denying that. Two timeless songs, not so bad.

I completely forgot about Slipping Away.
That song alone sort of saves SW.
Almost Hear You Sigh isn't bad either.
I don't really understand what people see in Break The Spell or Hold On To Your Hat, though.

BTS is a nice blues and HOTYH is a pedestrian rocker, imo. Totally different songs.

I'd say BTS is a pedestrian "blues", on the edge of pop. It would be a nice addition to - say - Rumours from Fleetwood Mac, but from the Stones, I prefer something with a rougher edge.
Hold On To Your Hat sounds like something from a promising grunge band. The only thing I like about it is the solo.

As it challenges the blues format, and there are lots of interesting fhings going on in it (Ronnie's bass, Mick's wonderful harp and those charming guitars) I'm having trouble with seeing why Break The Spell is pedestrian. But that's me

There are at least two songs on Rumours of Fleetwood Mac that challenge the blues format and with a lot of things going on. It's not bad, it's just not what I want the Stones to be doing.
Ventilator Blues also challenges the blues format, but it's about a 1000 times more convincing.

Ventilator Blues is a blues in name only.

I can't see the comparison to Rumours tracks here. Break The Spell is built up around a descending blues line that usually comes at the end of a 12 bar blues. It's quite an intelligent move, imo – original, at least. They create a sound and an atmosphere on BTS that only the Stones can do. The lazy adult pop of Rumours (although brilliantly done) is too different, imo.

Well, I guess this shows how people can interpret differently the naming of music styles. When I hear Break The Spell, I don't think of it as blues.
With Ventilator Blues, I do, and not because of the name but the rhythm, the groove, the melancholy feel of it.
I like your description of "lazy adult pop", and it certainly applies to Rumours, but just as much to BTS. And Rumours has songs like "The Chain" or "Gold Dust Woman" that have clearly blues roots.

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As it challenges the blues format, and there are lots of interesting fhings going on in it (Ronnie's bass, Mick's wonderful harp and those charming guitars) I'm having trouble with seeing why Break The Spell is pedestrian. But that's me

+1

(I might add, we don't we consider this for the iorr band project )?

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As it challenges the blues format, and there are lots of interesting fhings going on in it (Ronnie's bass, Mick's wonderful harp and those charming guitars) I'm having trouble with seeing why Break The Spell is pedestrian. But that's me

+1

(I might add, we don't we consider this for the iorr band project )?

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Break The Spell & Hold On To Your Hat = very entertaining enjoyable songs, pure adrenaline.

Almost Hear You Sigh & Slipping Away = awful boring music for rest home inhabitants sitting in their steel wheel-chairs.

I see the (lack of) Cultural Diversity president has spoken through the hole in his drawers again.

I like the studio Version of ME.And I simlpy love the live Versions from Atlantic City 89 and Tokyo 90. The Stones at their very best, especially the outro with the funky horn section.

Mediocre pop song, has not stood the test of time.

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Mediocre pop song, has not stood the test of time.

I dont think so... it is as sparkling as it was on release day. Very entertaining indeed. A vital sign of life back in 1989 and today it can be considered a Stones-classic, standing alongside with, say, Rocks Off & All Down The Line.

Mixed Emotions should be played live, such a great song from Steel Wheels and I just had a listen to the fantastic boot Live in Wembley 1990.

Mixed emotions was as well played on one of the fantastic Parc des Princes Paris concerts in 1990 which I attended.



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Mediocre pop song, has not stood the test of time.

I dont think so... it is as sparkling as it was on release day. Very entertaining indeed. A vital sign of life back in 1989 and today it can be considered a Stones-classic, standing alongside with, say, Rocks Off & All Down The Line.

Keep in mind HMS has no idea what Rocks Off and All Down The Line are or what album they're from yet alone the nerve to say Mixed Emotions is anywhere near as good or even a classic.

Rocks Off and All Down The Line (two of the better tracks on EOMS) are just like Mixed Emotions enjoyable guitar-driven Stones-tracks. Songwise ME is not worse than Rocks Off or All Down The Line, imo. It would perfectly fit in EOMS (Just like Sad Sad Sad).

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Rocks Off and All Down The Line (two of the better tracks on EOMS) are just like Mixed Emotions enjoyable guitar-driven Stones-tracks. Songwise ME is not worse than Rocks Off or All Down The Line, imo. It would perfectly fit in EOMS (Just like Sad Sad Sad).

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Rocks Off and All Down The Line (two of the better tracks on EOMS) are just like Mixed Emotions enjoyable guitar-driven Stones-tracks. Songwise ME is not worse than Rocks Off or All Down The Line, imo. It would perfectly fit in EOMS (Just like Sad Sad Sad).

Mixed Emotions and Sad Sad Sad would not even poorly fit EOMS yet alone perfectly fit.

I'm amazed that you know what album Rocks Off and All Down The Line are on.

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Rocks Off and All Down The Line (two of the better tracks on EOMS) are just like Mixed Emotions enjoyable guitar-driven Stones-tracks. Songwise ME is not worse than Rocks Off or All Down The Line, imo. It would perfectly fit in EOMS (Just like Sad Sad Sad).

wait...what????


IORR............but I like it!

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Rocks Off and All Down The Line (two of the better tracks on EOMS) are just like Mixed Emotions enjoyable guitar-driven Stones-tracks. Songwise ME is not worse than Rocks Off or All Down The Line, imo. It would perfectly fit in EOMS (Just like Sad Sad Sad).

i almost choked on my morning Rice Krispies when I read this.