Oohh, how much do I love Ya-Ya's! ... Let me count the ways

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Did anyone critise SFTD on Ya Yas? If so, that's baffling indeed.

The only thing to criticise is that we didn't get the full song!

Took me years to realize it was missing. Because it's missing on LOVE YOU LIVE as well but that's not edited.

2nd show Madison Square Garden... absolute right choice getting the first show for GYYYO, much better performance. Keith's guitar solo is wonky as hell, Taylor's is not as fluid although the ending is fantastically chaotic.

The performance that is on GYYYO.

Mick's off a bit, timing wise, flat here and there... so it's obvious why he overdubbed a new lead vocal, especially after the Taylor solo, too much ranting!

Guitars didn't need anything!

What is really maddening to me is that we get 27 CDs of Dylan & The Band 1974 Live Recordings to extend Sony's ownership of its Dylan copyrights, but yet we may never get an official release of all three of the Stones recorded 1969 performances at MSG. Very sad.

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What is really maddening to me is that we get 27 CDs of Dylan & The Band 1974 Live Recordings to extend Sony's ownership of its Dylan copyrights, but yet we may never get an official release of all three of the Stones recorded 1969 performances at MSG. Very sad.

Because Columbia (Sony) is interested. ABKCO is not.

Apparently they are beyond extremely sheltered from people telling them wise/smart things to do. "Just reissue ROLLED GOLD with bonus tracks, someone is dumb enough to buy it even though the tracks are elsewhere that they probably already have."

I agree.

It's beyond sane wrong how they haven't figured things out to release whatever. The GIMME SHELTER 'soundtrack' would be through ABKCO - so, just put it on CD/etc.

The entire thing, not the way the songs are in the movie, but the actual full length recordings of the songs; ok, so that's "altered" - get over it; not really. Oh right, not my legal call.

Is it Mick and Keith holding these kind of projects up? "Oh what do they wanna do NOW?" because that's been going on for 50 plus years.

Understandable.

But if ABKCO was insistent, what could happen?

Mick and Keith agree to changes as long as they aren't involved because, you know, they can't be "bothered".

That frees ABKCO up. So they search for someone, or people, to be involved. Fans, producers, engineers.

We know some of them are dead or too old. It was done a long time ago.

Fine.

They don't need to know about now.

So!? 123 or 10 or 20 people from here (as an example based on ABKCO asking) agree. It might be 5 or 50.

"We won't pay"... and so over half drop out.

Obviously it depends on where it is. London? It would take me a while since my passport expired.

NYC?

I can be there in a day.

But let's say after all of that, listening to quite a bit, what would you edit, etc... they decide to do their own thing.

So what's the point?

Probably why Mick can't be bothered.

Someone would need to "stand up" and make the point:

If you want to make money on it, great, but it's gotta be worth it.


It's very simple.

And it will never happen.

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Each to his own.
1978 Ronnie's solo is good, but nothing exceptional.

But there's so much more going on than Wood's slide, it's a total band effort whereas 1972 is fantastic Taylor playing over what I find quite boring stuff...

Mathijs

I don’t think it’s boring.Here is the band on that tour giving the total band effortvideo: [youtu.be]No band ever rocked better than this band in1972



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Sighunt
What is really maddening to me is that we get 27 CDs of Dylan & The Band 1974 Live Recordings to extend Sony's ownership of its Dylan copyrights, but yet we may never get an official release of all three of the Stones recorded 1969 performances at MSG. Very sad.

Well, Dylan fans just happen to be lucky, since the Dylan people are control freaks who want to keep the copyrights for any possible Dylan recording in their hands. That's why anything needs to be released. These releases are not any 'gifts' to the fans, but just items released to prevent the recordings entering Public Domain.

For some reason, the Stones people don't seem to give a shit. Probably there simply is not enough money there to get excited about, so they don't have interest to control marginal recordings.

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The best Jumpin' Jack Flash (in print) ever. Criminal that they overdubbed new vocals to be similar to the studio version for GYYYO. Too bad ABKCO didn't release a live album (soundtrack) of this.

Superb.

Why they didn't put this version on GYYYO still baffles me. It is soooo much better than what they used for the album with the vocal overdubs. First time I heard this version was at my initial viewing of Gimme Shelter when it came out in the theaters. It was a jaw dropper, just like that video of Satisfaction. Killer stuff. Stones at their best. The 69 tour remains my favorite.

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DandelionPowderman
Did anyone critise SFTD on Ya Yas? If so, that's baffling indeed.

The only thing to criticise is that we didn't get the full song!

Took me years to realize it was missing. Because it's missing on LOVE YOU LIVE as well but that's not edited.

2nd show Madison Square Garden... absolute right choice getting the first show for GYYYO, much better performance. Keith's guitar solo is wonky as hell, Taylor's is not as fluid although the ending is fantastically chaotic.

I think this performance is also great and unique. Another argument to continue with the plan that ABKCO will release all three concerts in New York.

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Each to his own.
1978 Ronnie's solo is good, but nothing exceptional.

100% my favorite Love in Vain is 1972, but I'll give 1971 another listen.

1972 has much more going on compared to '78 with the brass section and Nicky Hopkins on piano. The way it builds to the climax is absolutely sublime. It's one of my all-time favorites.

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Each to his own.
1978 Ronnie's solo is good, but nothing exceptional.

But there's so much more going on than Wood's slide, it's a total band effort whereas 1972 is fantastic Taylor playing over what I find quite boring stuff...

Mathijs

It sounds like the same exact arrangement, with organ instead of a horn section. I don't understand how you all are saying it's more countrified? And Wood's solo has literally no story to tell. Oof. Not a fan.

It's a better recording, I'll give you that.

This song, OMG. Mic drop.

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GasLightStreet
The best Jumpin' Jack Flash (in print) ever. Criminal that they overdubbed new vocals to be similar to the studio version for GYYYO. Too bad ABKCO didn't release a live album (soundtrack) of this.

Superb.

Why they didn't put this version on GYYYO still baffles me. It is soooo much better than what they used for the album with the vocal overdubs. First time I heard this version was at my initial viewing of Gimme Shelter when it came out in the theaters. It was a jaw dropper, just like that video of Satisfaction. Killer stuff. Stones at their best. The 69 tour remains my favorite.

Because the guitars are both slightly out of tune. As Mick is, but that can be overdubbed.

Mathijs

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GasLightStreet
The best Jumpin' Jack Flash (in print) ever. Criminal that they overdubbed new vocals to be similar to the studio version for GYYYO. Too bad ABKCO didn't release a live album (soundtrack) of this.

Superb.

Why they didn't put this version on GYYYO still baffles me. It is soooo much better than what they used for the album with the vocal overdubs. First time I heard this version was at my initial viewing of Gimme Shelter when it came out in the theaters. It was a jaw dropper, just like that video of Satisfaction. Killer stuff. Stones at their best. The 69 tour remains my favorite.

Because the guitars are both slightly out of tune. As Mick is, but that can be overdubbed. Out of tune or not, this version is like a freight train to the heart and soul. Welcome to the breakfast show!

Mathijs

Out of tune or not, this version is like a freight train to the heart and soul. Welcome to the breakfast show!

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GasLightStreet
The best Jumpin' Jack Flash (in print) ever. Criminal that they overdubbed new vocals to be similar to the studio version for GYYYO. Too bad ABKCO didn't release a live album (soundtrack) of this.

Superb.

Why they didn't put this version on GYYYO still baffles me. It is soooo much better than what they used for the album with the vocal overdubs. First time I heard this version was at my initial viewing of Gimme Shelter when it came out in the theaters. It was a jaw dropper, just like that video of Satisfaction. Killer stuff. Stones at their best. The 69 tour remains my favorite.

Because the guitars are both slightly out of tune. As Mick is, but that can be overdubbed. Out of tune or not, this version is like a freight train to the heart and soul. Welcome to the breakfast show!

Mathijs

Out of tune or not, this version is like a freight train to the heart and soul. Welcome to the breakfast show!

This is the issue I've had with Ya Yas as a whole. After hearing the raw mono soundboard (?) tapes when the Abkco dump came out 2019, I felt that the powers that be butchered the final commercial release with all the overdubs. Case in point, the version of Jack Flash that was utilized from the first show on 11/27 would have been more powerful and carried more punch had they left the original vocals in tact (instead of re-working the verses, including Keith's added vocals in the chorus). Instead, their intention to tweak it to make YaYas a perfect sounding live album (minus any blemishes) actually diminished it's power. The Stones were never a perfect sounding concert attraction. Their appeal was their rawness and rough around the edges approach that added to their image and popularity.



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That Jumpin' Jack Flash from GIMME SHELTER is better than the version on GYYYO, performance wise and vocal wise, obviously. And the version on GYYYO is pretty damn good. Until I saw the movie the GYYYO version was my favorite live version of all time (all others after 1971 suck in comparison, they suck on their own, outright, and are a waste of time - why the Stones opted to destroy the performance from 1972 onward is baffling).

Thankfully they bettered Honky Tonk Women so it's not stuck in crap mode like JJF.

Listening to the different performances of SFTD, ehhhh, good move, overall, to clean Mick up and remove his ridiculous chatter during Taylor's outro soloing.

Listening to other performances it's obvious why that one for GYYYO was used - it's probably the best performance, musically, of the song from the entire tour.

SFTD that tour was a slower version of 1969, a little more funky. After that tour? It's been garbage ever since!!!! A keyboard version for karaoke!

Fortunately they've done excellent versions of Gimme Shelter, Street Fighting Man and Monkey Man from 1994 onward. But it sure is weird how they can just destroy some songs (they should't've ever played She Was Hot or She's So Cold -ever).

Love Mick belting out, “But it’s all right, yeah it’s all right, I’m Jumpin’ Jack Flash, it’s a gas gas gas!”

I watched Gimme Shelter the movie at the cinema in the mid-70s, was instantly hooked by the way Mick sang the chorus, felt it way cooler than the one I heard on Ya-Ya’s. Being a naive teenager, I was intrigued why that part was different between these two.