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Great idea!
"No Anchovies, Please"
And Ain't No Good Life, but they would need a proper lead guitarist of Mick Taylor calibur to pull it off properly - the original solo is so good.
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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Whaaaat?!
Yeah, thank God it's not on Dirty Work and therefore can't spoil this album's undisputed "masterpiece" status, right?
DW isn´t a masterpiece really, but it is their last from-start-to-finish-enjoyable album of (mostly) original material.
EOMS could ve been a masterpiece indeed but they put too many songs on it that´s the problem. 12 tracks would have been fine.
Date: November 9, 2015 12:09
This song - among others on Exile - always kind of bores me. I dont skip the song when listening to Exile, but rather go through it instead of enjoying it. One of the weaker spots on Exile. Listening to Torn & Frayed gives me the same feeling of boredom as listening to the GHS-album. They have done so much better songs before and after Torn & Frayed, it´s average at best. Average mixed with boredom - HMS
You spelled UNDERCOVER in a very very strange way.
Relax. Reality is not in HMS' mindset.
Let him be in his... bunkness. Everyone else knows better.
I agree. This song is truly a masterpiece and one of my favorites on EOMS
I agree. Torn and Frayed is a wonderful song and one of the lesser-known gems on EOMS. Everything about it works so well. The easy groove of the acoustic guitars and drums, the excellent steel guitar solo from Al Perkins, Mick Taylor's tasty country licks. And the vocal harmonies of Mick and Keith are among the best they ever committed to tape. I like the lyrics as well which is not something I often pay much attention to in a Rolling Stones song. Grade: A
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019-06-22 20:05 by TornAndFried.
Listening now and feeling good because of it.
HMS
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2019-09-20 04:11 by TravelinMan.
Because Taylor is on bass. That's the first thing that should pop up in your head, if there's anything inside there at all.
...maybe they relegated him to bass playing to avoid noodling?
It hurt to write that HMS inspired nonsense.
Torn And Frayed is an excellent song with excellent lyrics and is perfectly Stonesy in all its glory.
Not fully, but still glorious regardless.
More likely he picked up bass because Bill Wyman was not there when the basic tracks were being recorded. Do you know how records are produced?
I am also confident he has some guitar in the final mix too. You can hear it in the outro.
His bass playing is noodling on this track, don't you hear anything at all ?
Even his hair noodles.
Well, this is incorrect. "Torn And Frayed" was at least started in France. Jim Price is quoted as saying he was isolated in a room in the basement and played B3 organ. He was surprised it was kept in the final mix.
Nicky Hopkins does not play on this song, hence its absence from the Hopkins Tapes. Hopkins left for a bit in the middle of the Nellcote sessions to do a paid LA session; there was a lull in work due to Jagger's wife giving birth. This could have been when the basics were done.
If the only argument is "well, there are no bootlegs", explain "Happy". I've never heard a "Happy" outtake. Or "Ventilator Blues" for that matter.
There isn't actually any evidence of songs recorded solely in LA. As far as I have read, Jagger, Richards, and Taylor were in Sunset in LA. As were Jimmy Miller, Joe Zagarino, Andy Johns, and musical guests Billy Preston, Al Perkins, Bill Plummer, and the backup singers.
"Shine A Light" could have been done there based on the lineup, but that is said to have been started in Olympic during Sticky Fingers. Or even earlier with Leon Russell. That version is probably why Wyman thinks he's on bass.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019-09-20 04:53 by TravelinMan.
You remember where that quote is from? (Your email is not open btw, mine is, I ve got two widely available "Ventilator-Blues-in-progress" ready for you)
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Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed (new)
Posted by:
Elmo Lewis
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Date: June 20, 2019 20:32
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Hairball
Absolute 100% perfection.
That wobbly pedal steel is the absolute highest quality.
Piano, drums, vocals, backup vocals, lyrics, acoustic/electric guitars, and everything else - ditto - perfection.
I use to imagine Lynyrd Skynyrd covering this back in the '70's, and while it would have been great imo - it would have never equaled the Stones version.
Some of Skynyrd's tunes actually may have directly lifted a huge amount of inspiration from this among several other Stones tunes (Dead Flowers, etc.).
A cover of this would have fit nicely on any of their albums.
Time to revisit Exile now...
Great point as LS had several similar sounding songs - I Never Dreamed, All I can Do Is Write About It, etc..
And I bet Mick could do a mean "Curtis Lowe"....
I always thought it would be fun to hear what the Stones could do with "Gimme Three Steps"
Great idea!
"No Anchovies, Please"
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed (new)
Posted by:
Hairball
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Date: June 20, 2019 21:18
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SpudQuote
Elmo LewisQuote
Hairball
Absolute 100% perfection.
That wobbly pedal steel is the absolute highest quality.
Piano, drums, vocals, backup vocals, lyrics, acoustic/electric guitars, and everything else - ditto - perfection.
I use to imagine Lynyrd Skynyrd covering this back in the '70's, and while it would have been great imo - it would have never equaled the Stones version.
Some of Skynyrd's tunes actually may have directly lifted a huge amount of inspiration from this among several other Stones tunes (Dead Flowers, etc.).
A cover of this would have fit nicely on any of their albums.
Time to revisit Exile now...
Great point as LS had several similar sounding songs - I Never Dreamed, All I can Do Is Write About It, etc..
And I bet Mick could do a mean "Curtis Lowe"....
I always thought it would be fun to hear what the Stones could do with "Gimme Three Steps"
Great idea!
And Ain't No Good Life, but they would need a proper lead guitarist of Mick Taylor calibur to pull it off properly - the original solo is so good.
_____________________________________________________________
Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
pmk251
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Date: June 20, 2019 22:03
I cannot think of this song without thinking about how fond I am of the interesting and perplexing Vancouver performance. Are flubs on stage evidence of lack of preparation or rehearsal time? Is it boldness, courage and confidence? Or is it laziness or hubris? Is the performance "real" or simply sloppy? In any event the performance stumbles along for some reason or another until Taylor and Richards find their groove and the closing minute or so is wonderful. I get the feeling the band is winging it, but Taylor and Richards eventually stick the landing, as they usually did.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
HMS
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Date: June 21, 2019 18:14
This unfortunately is one of the songs that prevents EOMS from being a masterpiece.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
WelshEdge1
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Date: June 21, 2019 18:21
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HMS
This unfortunately is one of the songs that prevents EOMS from being a masterpiece.
Whaaaat?!
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
retired_dog
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Date: June 21, 2019 18:30
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HMS
This unfortunately is one of the songs that prevents EOMS from being a masterpiece.
Yeah, thank God it's not on Dirty Work and therefore can't spoil this album's undisputed "masterpiece" status, right?
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
HMS
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Date: June 21, 2019 19:27
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HMS
This unfortunately is one of the songs that prevents EOMS from being a masterpiece.
Yeah, thank God it's not on Dirty Work and therefore can't spoil this album's undisputed "masterpiece" status, right?
DW isn´t a masterpiece really, but it is their last from-start-to-finish-enjoyable album of (mostly) original material.
EOMS could ve been a masterpiece indeed but they put too many songs on it that´s the problem. 12 tracks would have been fine.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
HMS
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Date: June 21, 2019 21:22
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HMS
This unfortunately is one of the songs that prevents EOMS from being a masterpiece.
Whaaaat?!
Date: November 9, 2015 12:09
This song - among others on Exile - always kind of bores me. I dont skip the song when listening to Exile, but rather go through it instead of enjoying it. One of the weaker spots on Exile. Listening to Torn & Frayed gives me the same feeling of boredom as listening to the GHS-album. They have done so much better songs before and after Torn & Frayed, it´s average at best. Average mixed with boredom - HMS
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: June 22, 2019 06:10
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HMS
This unfortunately is one of the songs that prevents EOMS from being a masterpiece.
Yeah, thank God it's not on Dirty Work and therefore can't spoil this album's undisputed "masterpiece" status, right?
DW isn´t a masterpiece really, but it is their last from-start-to-finish-enjoyable album of (mostly) original material.
You spelled UNDERCOVER in a very very strange way.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: June 22, 2019 06:11
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WelshEdge1Quote
HMS
This unfortunately is one of the songs that prevents EOMS from being a masterpiece.
Whaaaat?!
Relax. Reality is not in HMS' mindset.
Let him be in his... bunkness. Everyone else knows better.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
TornAndFried
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Date: June 22, 2019 06:46
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HMS
This unfortunately is one of the songs that prevents EOMS from being a masterpiece.
I agree. This song is truly a masterpiece and one of my favorites on EOMS
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
hopkins
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Date: June 22, 2019 07:26
uniquely beautiful; this is among their most top flight stuff imo.
Jim Price on organ is playing with as much depth and impact
as his lovely and melodic piano work on Moonlight Mile.
Signature and wonderful stuff from the trumpet man making another rare
appearance on keys as things developed in the studio.
Nothing needs to be said about the obvious signature Stones stuff from Nicky
during this period of recording and performing.
Gunslinger Al Perkins is a joy. Rolling Stone Mick Taylor is aboard.
Taylor on bass, and I'm a big time Bill fan, but still especially love this track.
I'm gonna read up as much as I can on how it was recorded and what was going
down those days and sessions particularly.
PLUS, it's beautifully written imo, and sung; including harmony work.
This is a wonderful and enduring track.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2019-06-22 08:04 by hopkins.
Jim Price on organ is playing with as much depth and impact
as his lovely and melodic piano work on Moonlight Mile.
Signature and wonderful stuff from the trumpet man making another rare
appearance on keys as things developed in the studio.
Nothing needs to be said about the obvious signature Stones stuff from Nicky
during this period of recording and performing.
Gunslinger Al Perkins is a joy. Rolling Stone Mick Taylor is aboard.
Taylor on bass, and I'm a big time Bill fan, but still especially love this track.
I'm gonna read up as much as I can on how it was recorded and what was going
down those days and sessions particularly.
PLUS, it's beautifully written imo, and sung; including harmony work.
This is a wonderful and enduring track.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2019-06-22 08:04 by hopkins.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
HMS
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Date: June 22, 2019 17:01
Exile has some of their best songs ever but also at least five floaters and Torn And Frayed, although not actually a floater does not belong to Exile´s best songs. It is what it is - average Stones. There´s not much to complain about Torn And Frayed, but although there´s nothing to praise. Compared to the best Exile-songs it is pale and very easy to overlook.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
TornAndFried
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Date: June 22, 2019 19:29
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HMS
Exile has some of their best songs ever but also at least five floaters and Torn And Frayed, although not actually a floater does not belong to Exile´s best songs. It is what it is - average Stones. There´s not much to complain about Torn And Frayed, but although there´s nothing to praise. Compared to the best Exile-songs it is pale and very easy to overlook.
I agree. Torn and Frayed is a wonderful song and one of the lesser-known gems on EOMS. Everything about it works so well. The easy groove of the acoustic guitars and drums, the excellent steel guitar solo from Al Perkins, Mick Taylor's tasty country licks. And the vocal harmonies of Mick and Keith are among the best they ever committed to tape. I like the lyrics as well which is not something I often pay much attention to in a Rolling Stones song. Grade: A
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019-06-22 20:05 by TornAndFried.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed (new)
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: June 22, 2019 19:39
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His Majesty
Ace track, ace performances, beautiful vibe and sound.
Listening now and feeling good because of it.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
TravelinMan
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Date: June 22, 2019 21:04
HMS
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2019-09-20 04:11 by TravelinMan.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
TheflyingDutchman
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Date: June 22, 2019 22:02
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HMS
Exile has some of their best songs ever but also at least five floaters and Torn And Frayed, although not actually a floater does not belong to Exile´s best songs. It is what it is - average Stones. There´s not much to complain about Torn And Frayed, but although there´s nothing to praise. Compared to the best Exile-songs it is pale and very easy to overlook.
Because Taylor is on bass. That's the first thing that should pop up in your head, if there's anything inside there at all.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
HMS
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Date: June 22, 2019 22:10
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TheflyingDutchmanQuote
HMS
Exile has some of their best songs ever but also at least five floaters and Torn And Frayed, although not actually a floater does not belong to Exile´s best songs. It is what it is - average Stones. There´s not much to complain about Torn And Frayed, but although there´s nothing to praise. Compared to the best Exile-songs it is pale and very easy to overlook.
Because Taylor is on bass. That's the first thing that should pop up in your head, if there's anything inside there at all.
...maybe they relegated him to bass playing to avoid noodling?
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
TravelinMan
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Date: June 22, 2019 22:35
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His Majesty
It hurt to write that HMS inspired nonsense.
Torn And Frayed is an excellent song with excellent lyrics and is perfectly Stonesy in all its glory.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: June 22, 2019 22:37
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TravelinMan
Torn And Frayed ... is perfectly Stonesy in all its glory.
Not fully, but still glorious regardless.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
TravelinMan
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Date: June 22, 2019 22:37
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HMSQuote
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HMS
Exile has some of their best songs ever but also at least five floaters and Torn And Frayed, although not actually a floater does not belong to Exile´s best songs. It is what it is - average Stones. There´s not much to complain about Torn And Frayed, but although there´s nothing to praise. Compared to the best Exile-songs it is pale and very easy to overlook.
Because Taylor is on bass. That's the first thing that should pop up in your head, if there's anything inside there at all.
...maybe they relegated him to bass playing to avoid noodling?
More likely he picked up bass because Bill Wyman was not there when the basic tracks were being recorded. Do you know how records are produced?
I am also confident he has some guitar in the final mix too. You can hear it in the outro.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
TheflyingDutchman
()
Date: June 22, 2019 22:39
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HMSQuote
TheflyingDutchmanQuote
HMS
Exile has some of their best songs ever but also at least five floaters and Torn And Frayed, although not actually a floater does not belong to Exile´s best songs. It is what it is - average Stones. There´s not much to complain about Torn And Frayed, but although there´s nothing to praise. Compared to the best Exile-songs it is pale and very easy to overlook.
Because Taylor is on bass. That's the first thing that should pop up in your head, if there's anything inside there at all.
...maybe they relegated him to bass playing to avoid noodling?
His bass playing is noodling on this track, don't you hear anything at all ?
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
HMS
()
Date: June 22, 2019 22:55
...once a noodler always a noodler no matter what instrument
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: June 22, 2019 23:04
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HMS
...once a noodler always a noodler no matter what instrument
Even his hair noodles.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
TravelinMan
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Date: September 20, 2019 04:09
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NICOS
Comments, input and alterations are very welcome!
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Recorded: December 1971-March 1972 Sunset Sound Studios, Los Angeles, USA
Well, this is incorrect. "Torn And Frayed" was at least started in France. Jim Price is quoted as saying he was isolated in a room in the basement and played B3 organ. He was surprised it was kept in the final mix.
Nicky Hopkins does not play on this song, hence its absence from the Hopkins Tapes. Hopkins left for a bit in the middle of the Nellcote sessions to do a paid LA session; there was a lull in work due to Jagger's wife giving birth. This could have been when the basics were done.
If the only argument is "well, there are no bootlegs", explain "Happy". I've never heard a "Happy" outtake. Or "Ventilator Blues" for that matter.
There isn't actually any evidence of songs recorded solely in LA. As far as I have read, Jagger, Richards, and Taylor were in Sunset in LA. As were Jimmy Miller, Joe Zagarino, Andy Johns, and musical guests Billy Preston, Al Perkins, Bill Plummer, and the backup singers.
"Shine A Light" could have been done there based on the lineup, but that is said to have been started in Olympic during Sticky Fingers. Or even earlier with Leon Russell. That version is probably why Wyman thinks he's on bass.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019-09-20 04:53 by TravelinMan.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
black n blue
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Date: September 20, 2019 05:51
Don’t understand why they won’t play this tune on the recent tour
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
Palace Revolution 2000
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Date: September 20, 2019 06:49
LOL clever.Quote
GasLightStreetQuote
HMSQuote
retired_dogQuote
HMS
This unfortunately is one of the songs that prevents EOMS from being a masterpiece.
Yeah, thank God it's not on Dirty Work and therefore can't spoil this album's undisputed "masterpiece" status, right?
DW isn´t a masterpiece really, but it is their last from-start-to-finish-enjoyable album of (mostly) original material.
You spelled UNDERCOVER in a very very strange way.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
RobberBride
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Date: September 20, 2019 10:29
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TravelinManQuote
NICOS
Comments, input and alterations are very welcome!
_______________________________________________________________________________
Recorded: December 1971-March 1972 Sunset Sound Studios, Los Angeles, USA
Well, this is incorrect. "Torn And Frayed" was at least started in France. Jim Price is quoted as saying he was isolated in a room in the basement and played B3 organ.
You remember where that quote is from? (Your email is not open btw, mine is, I ve got two widely available "Ventilator-Blues-in-progress" ready for you)
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
Rip This
()
Date: September 20, 2019 14:54
an example of their ragged excellence. No one comes close...the Black Crowes have made a career of trying to bring to life what this song does in 4:19
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