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i agree, but naturalist asked and i am always happy to do him a solid!
Thanks Turner, I get what you said...who knows, I guess it makes as much sense as anything else we've come up with.
And 35Love I appreciate your wanting to keep it positive,but I probably overspoke a bit about not wanting to have some dark image in my mind when I heard the song. Plenty of dark images in my mind listening to some of my favorite Stones tunes. Although I sheepishly admit I sometimes change the words in Dead Flowers from "I'll be in my basement room, with a needle and a spoon" to "I'll be in my basement room, with my mandolin and a tune". Probably totally sacrilegious to do so, it's one of the best lines in the song! But sometimes I'm looking at my audience and just get the feeling they aren't going to get it in 2015...besides I play mandolin on that one.
But in general I like to dissect lyrics and no better place to do so that in the Track Talk thread. I think we can handle the dark along with the light....but I probably don't want to hear about someones nightmare. LOL
And then there's Neil Young's "Mandolin and the Damage Done".
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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Nice post!
I saw you listed Al Perkins and I went to his site to learn more about him. The guy has played with many people from famous to the obscure, and lists a really long discography, but Exile is not part of it. He doesn't list any work with the Stones. Though he does list a highlight of his life as playing at a Gram Parsons Tribute with Keef.
He mentions it in his bio - see the 4th paragraph...
[www.alperkinsmusic.com]
It's also under his discography, though difficult to find because of the site's format...
[www.alperkinsmusic.com]
Met Al through a mutual friend several years ago...really a great guy.
*I do not think Mick Jagger would have liked that (Gram and Keith composing/ certainly recording/ release)
that's what I've gleaned from reading- and that Gram's herion addiction might've been another person besides Anita he had to contend with while contending with his own herion issue/ supply...
Anyway, Torn and Frayed has been echoing in my mind since seeing the live 2003 clip last night... it's Keith's song.
They may've worked on previous tracks, like All Down The Line or Loving Cup, but new songs recorded in Villa Nellcote appear to be:
Casino Boogie
Following The River
Happy
I'm Not Signifying
Pass The Wine
Plundered My Soul
Rip This Joint
Rocks Off
Soul Survivor
Ventilator Blues
What they did in Los Angeles seems to be open to interpretation - did they record I Just Want To See His Face there or was it recorded at Mick's and finished in LA? They finished other tracks, like Shine A Light and Sweet Virginia, in LA - but were they recordings they brought or did they start them over completely?
What [www.nzentgraf.de] says is that the LA sessions were for overdubs. Yet it seems that IJWTSHF, Turd On The Run and Torn And Frayed were recorded in LA, supposedly without Charlie.
EOMS consists of songs recorded for STICKY FINGERS (hence the ABKCO Music publishing on 5 songs or whatever on EOMS) which could've been a double album.
Great point as LS had several similar sounding songs - I Never Dreamed, All I can Do Is Write About It, etc..
And I bet Mick could do a mean "Curtis Lowe"....
"No Anchovies, Please"
What whitem8 said.
"No Anchovies, Please"
I always thought it would be fun to hear what the Stones could do with "Gimme Three Steps"
Some years ago, someone (good 'ole Alimente? gone and forgotten!) already claimed here that this whole Exile/Nellcote-thing was nothing more than a well-constructed myth because Exile was in fact their first "cleaning of the vaults" TATTOO YOU-style album, making heavy use of unreleased (and in many cases also unfinished) material from the years 1969-1971.
I tend to agree. But the question remains if it was ever really planned that way. Was it their original plan (probably also under the impression of their legal problems with ABKCO) to make as much use of their unreleased material as possible with only a handful of new recordings (Nellcote/LA) thrown in the mix or did they seriously intend to start a new album from scratch at Nellcote and only had to change their plan when they discovered that their Nellcote recordings were far away from a releasable album?
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Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed (new)
Posted by:
35love
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Date: November 12, 2015 03:08
Turner we posted same time. I am learning sharing personal lyric interpretations is like when someone says: 'hey want to hear about this dream I had last night? it was so weird'
NO don't want to hear about your dream your mind is thinking loudly, LOL.
Keith figured it out early: don't ever reveal or discuss lyric content meanings. could ruin it for others....
still fun sometimes tho.
NO don't want to hear about your dream your mind is thinking loudly, LOL.
Keith figured it out early: don't ever reveal or discuss lyric content meanings. could ruin it for others....
still fun sometimes tho.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed (new)
Posted by:
Turner68
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Date: November 12, 2015 03:11
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35love
Turner we posted same time. I am learning sharing personal lyric interpretations is like when someone says: 'hey want to hear about this dream I had last night? it was so weird'
NO don't want to hear about your dream your mind is thinking loudly, LOL.
Keith figured it out early: don't ever reveal or discuss lyric content meanings. could ruin it for others....
still fun sometimes tho.
i agree, but naturalist asked and i am always happy to do him a solid!
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed (new)
Posted by:
Naturalust
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Date: November 12, 2015 04:12
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Turner68Quote
35love
Turner we posted same time. I am learning sharing personal lyric interpretations is like when someone says: 'hey want to hear about this dream I had last night? it was so weird'
NO don't want to hear about your dream your mind is thinking loudly, LOL.
Keith figured it out early: don't ever reveal or discuss lyric content meanings. could ruin it for others....
still fun sometimes tho.
i agree, but naturalist asked and i am always happy to do him a solid!
Thanks Turner, I get what you said...who knows, I guess it makes as much sense as anything else we've come up with.
And 35Love I appreciate your wanting to keep it positive,but I probably overspoke a bit about not wanting to have some dark image in my mind when I heard the song. Plenty of dark images in my mind listening to some of my favorite Stones tunes. Although I sheepishly admit I sometimes change the words in Dead Flowers from "I'll be in my basement room, with a needle and a spoon" to "I'll be in my basement room, with my mandolin and a tune". Probably totally sacrilegious to do so, it's one of the best lines in the song! But sometimes I'm looking at my audience and just get the feeling they aren't going to get it in 2015...besides I play mandolin on that one.
But in general I like to dissect lyrics and no better place to do so that in the Track Talk thread. I think we can handle the dark along with the light....but I probably don't want to hear about someones nightmare. LOL
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed (new)
Posted by:
swiss
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Date: November 12, 2015 04:14
Musically I love this song -- and I have always imagined those Dominique Tarle's photos of Keith and Gram at the piano and in the window seat and at the table to be playing around with this song, as well as Sweet Virginia, and myriad country songs (which KR now implies he already knew and did not learn from Gram but at the knee of Doris when he was a toddler, in Under the Influence, but I digress). I appreciate the vibe of the song, the end-of-the-night swaying swing, how melodic it is, the performances.
Lyrically...I'm kinda of a mind with Come On and 35love, as well as whitem8 (glorious gorgeous post, man - I forgot you were such an amazing writer!). The lyrics are so vivid and evocative as to be repellent, to me. It is an almost impossibly unvarnished portrayal of the filthy down vibe and I make sure not to feel "bound" by it. I don't think 35love's interpretation is that far off. But, then again, I love hearing people's dreams
I feel (not saying I think, even) that Keith is acknowledging that when people get close to him (at that time) he has a way of binding them to him and dragging them way underwater/underground. Thing is: he can hold his breath longer than most anyone. To me, "wind and he's bound" has sounded like when you first hook a fish, wind the reel...and he's caught.
But, like most things Keith, the narrative isn't literal or linear, and doesn't sit still for long, so the "he" is all over the place--who it is, who's the protagonist, who's the observer and the observed.
Not my favorite Stones song, by any means--or even on Exile, or even on Side 2. But a masterful well-crafted, dirty, filthy piece.
- swiss
Lyrically...I'm kinda of a mind with Come On and 35love, as well as whitem8 (glorious gorgeous post, man - I forgot you were such an amazing writer!). The lyrics are so vivid and evocative as to be repellent, to me. It is an almost impossibly unvarnished portrayal of the filthy down vibe and I make sure not to feel "bound" by it. I don't think 35love's interpretation is that far off. But, then again, I love hearing people's dreams
I feel (not saying I think, even) that Keith is acknowledging that when people get close to him (at that time) he has a way of binding them to him and dragging them way underwater/underground. Thing is: he can hold his breath longer than most anyone. To me, "wind and he's bound" has sounded like when you first hook a fish, wind the reel...and he's caught.
But, like most things Keith, the narrative isn't literal or linear, and doesn't sit still for long, so the "he" is all over the place--who it is, who's the protagonist, who's the observer and the observed.
Not my favorite Stones song, by any means--or even on Exile, or even on Side 2. But a masterful well-crafted, dirty, filthy piece.
- swiss
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed (new)
Posted by:
Hairball
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Date: November 12, 2015 04:27
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Naturalust
Although I sheepishly admit I sometimes change the words in Dead Flowers from "I'll be in my basement room, with a needle and a spoon" to "I'll be in my basement room, with my mandolin and a tune".
And then there's Neil Young's "Mandolin and the Damage Done".
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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed (new)
Posted by:
Naturalust
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Date: November 12, 2015 04:30
Nice swiss! I think the wind like a fishing rod and the interpretation of Keith dragging people around him down is a very interesting one. The thought that Keith might even have been aware of that effect he had on people at that time is interesting but very plausible considering Anita, Gram Parsons, Spanish Tony, Mick Taylor, Jimmy Miller, Andy Johns, Bobby Keys, Marshall Chess and others have spoken about it. Swimming is Keith's pond certainly had the tendency to take people underground, sometimes quite literally. And underground is certainly a good description of the junkie life.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed (new)
Posted by:
Turner68
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Date: November 12, 2015 04:36
Quote
swiss
Musically I love this song -- and I have always imagined those Dominique Tarle's photos of Keith and Gram at the piano and in the window seat and at the table to be playing around with this song, as well as Sweet Virginia, and myriad country songs (which KR now implies he already knew and did not learn from Gram but at the knee of Doris when he was a toddler, in Under the Influence, but I digress). I appreciate the vibe of the song, the end-of-the-night swaying swing, how melodic it is, the performances.
Lyrically...I'm kinda of a mind with Come On and 35love, as well as whitem8 (glorious gorgeous post, man - I forgot you were such an amazing writer!). The lyrics are so vivid and evocative as to be repellent, to me. It is an almost impossibly unvarnished portrayal of the filthy down vibe and I make sure not to feel "bound" by it. I don't think 35love's interpretation is that far off. But, then again, I love hearing people's dreams
I feel (not saying I think, even) that Keith is acknowledging that when people get close to him (at that time) he has a way of binding them to him and dragging them way underwater/underground. Thing is: he can hold his breath longer than most anyone. To me, "wind and he's bound" has sounded like when you first hook a fish, wind the reel...and he's caught.
But, like most things Keith, the narrative isn't literal or linear, and doesn't sit still for long, so the "he" is all over the place--who it is, who's the protagonist, who's the observer and the observed.
Not my favorite Stones song, by any means--or even on Exile, or even on Side 2. But a masterful well-crafted, dirty, filthy piece.
- swiss
Nice post!
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed (new)
Posted by:
buffalo7478
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Date: November 12, 2015 05:01
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NICOS
Comments, input and alterations are very welcome!
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Torn And Frayed
Written by: Mick Jagger & Keith Richards
Recorded: December 1971-March 1972 Sunset Sound Studios, Los Angeles, USA
Lead vocal: Mick Jagger
Acoustic guitar: Keith Richards
Electric guitar: Keith Richards
Bass: Mick Taylor
Drums: Charlie Watts
Pedal steel guitar: Al Perkins
Harmony vocal: Keith Richards
Background vocals: Mick Jagger & Keith Richards
Piano: Nicky Hopkins
Organ: Jim Price
Torn And Frayed
Hey, let him follow you down
Way underground, wind and he's bound
Bound to follow you down
Just a dead beat right off the street
Bound to follow you down
Well the ballrooms and smelly bordellos
And dressing rooms filled with parasites
Onstage the band has got problems
They're a bag of nerves on first nights
He ain't tied down to no hometown
Yeah, and you thought he was reckless
You think he's bad, he thinks you're mad
Yeah, and the guitar player gets restless
Well his coat is torn and frayed
It's seen much better days
Just as long as the guitar plays
Let it steal your heart away
Steal your heart away
Well his coat is torn and frayed
It's seen much better days
Just as long as the guitar plays
Let it steal your heart away
Joe's got a cough, sounds kind of rough
Yeah, and the codeine to fix it
Doctor prescribes, drugstore supplies
Who's going to help him to kick it?
And his coat is torn and frayed
It's seen much better days
Just as long as the guitar plays
Let it steal your heart away
Steal your heart away
And his coat is torn and frayed
It's seen much better days
Just as long as the guitar plays
Just as long as the guitar plays
Just as long as the guitar plays
Just as long as the guitar plays
Produced by: Jimmy Miller
Chief engineers: Andy Johns & Joe Zagarino
First released on: The Rolling Stones double LP - Exile On Main Street
U.S. Release date: May 22, 1972
U.K. Release date: May 26, 1972
Label: Rolling Stones Records COC 69100
I saw you listed Al Perkins and I went to his site to learn more about him. The guy has played with many people from famous to the obscure, and lists a really long discography, but Exile is not part of it. He doesn't list any work with the Stones. Though he does list a highlight of his life as playing at a Gram Parsons Tribute with Keef.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed (new)
Posted by:
Jah Paul
()
Date: November 12, 2015 20:19
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buffalo7478
I saw you listed Al Perkins and I went to his site to learn more about him. The guy has played with many people from famous to the obscure, and lists a really long discography, but Exile is not part of it. He doesn't list any work with the Stones. Though he does list a highlight of his life as playing at a Gram Parsons Tribute with Keef.
He mentions it in his bio - see the 4th paragraph...
[www.alperkinsmusic.com]
It's also under his discography, though difficult to find because of the site's format...
[www.alperkinsmusic.com]
Met Al through a mutual friend several years ago...really a great guy.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed (new)
Posted by:
NICOS
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Date: November 12, 2015 22:17
And the original liner notes / credits say so..............
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Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
TornAndFried
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Date: January 7, 2016 07:23
Great song, and one if my all-time favorites. So simple and yet they could never manage to play it properly live in the 3 or 4 times they gave it a go on Licks.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2016-01-07 07:56 by TornAndFried.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2016-01-07 07:56 by TornAndFried.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
35love
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Date: January 7, 2016 07:52
I thought the 2003 clip I posted was pretty darn sweet- Ronnie jumping mid-way thru to play slide- Keith singing high- oh I loved it, first time I've seen/ heard it live... Love them during Licks- yessss I do.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
runaway
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Date: January 7, 2016 17:42
A lovely track from a great album
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
DancelittleSister
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Date: January 7, 2016 18:28
It sounds like having two keys, so the sequence/tension never seems to dissolve, if thats the right term.. A beautiful 'never ending' track.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
CMH516
()
Date: January 7, 2016 19:50
Even though it's far from the best or best known song on Exile, there's something about the vibe of it that seems to perfectly encapsulate the album.
When I think of Exile, this is the first song that jumps to mind.
I wonder what kind of stuff Keith and Gram would have collaborated on in the future had Gram lived?
When I think of Exile, this is the first song that jumps to mind.
I wonder what kind of stuff Keith and Gram would have collaborated on in the future had Gram lived?
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
35love
()
Date: January 7, 2016 20:22
Quote
CMH516
Even though it's far from the best or best known song on Exile, there's something about the vibe of it that seems to perfectly encapsulate the album.
When I think of Exile, this is the first song that jumps to mind.
I wonder what kind of stuff Keith and Gram would have collaborated on in the future had Gram lived?
*I do not think Mick Jagger would have liked that (Gram and Keith composing/ certainly recording/ release)
that's what I've gleaned from reading- and that Gram's herion addiction might've been another person besides Anita he had to contend with while contending with his own herion issue/ supply...
Anyway, Torn and Frayed has been echoing in my mind since seeing the live 2003 clip last night... it's Keith's song.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
WelshEdge1
()
Date: June 17, 2019 16:18
The pedal steel guitar is everything in this.
One of my favourite Stones songs.
One of my favourite Stones songs.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
wonderboy
()
Date: June 18, 2019 00:59
-- moved original comment to the Taylor thread. couldn't delete it.
Love T&F!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019-06-18 01:09 by wonderboy.
Love T&F!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019-06-18 01:09 by wonderboy.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: June 18, 2019 01:15
Ronnie's licks are pretty good in that LICKS Torn And Frayed - but one thing I noticed is... it's Stray Cat sped up!
Pretty rough. Had they worked on it they would've gotten it.
Pretty rough. Had they worked on it they would've gotten it.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: June 18, 2019 01:20
Listen past that to Wild Horses and there's a magnificent screw up with Mick coming in WAYYYYY early!!!!!!
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
wonderboy
()
Date: June 18, 2019 03:29
I take 'wind and he's bound' to be a snatch of remembered lyrics from some Irish or Appalachian folk song. Or a bit of poetry.
'Wind' being the air currents, or forces, that blow us from place to place and 'bound' again related to doing something because we are forced, bound, to do it.
'Wind' being the air currents, or forces, that blow us from place to place and 'bound' again related to doing something because we are forced, bound, to do it.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed (new)
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: June 18, 2019 18:24
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gallagherQuote
Silver Dagger
I believe it was probably written after they arrived in LA in late 71.
Actually, come to think of it, does anybody know when the Stones decided that Exile would be a double album? How many songs did they leave Nellcote with and how many more did they write in LA. I'd love to know more about this period in their career.
I thought they had 8 or 9 songs recorded at Nellcote, and finished them in LA. The other songs were recorded at Micks house Cheyne Walk in England or Keith's house Redlands, also in England. They were recorded/written from 1969 onwards (Loving Cup for example, which they already played live at Hyde Park 1969)
They may've worked on previous tracks, like All Down The Line or Loving Cup, but new songs recorded in Villa Nellcote appear to be:
Casino Boogie
Following The River
Happy
I'm Not Signifying
Pass The Wine
Plundered My Soul
Rip This Joint
Rocks Off
Soul Survivor
Ventilator Blues
What they did in Los Angeles seems to be open to interpretation - did they record I Just Want To See His Face there or was it recorded at Mick's and finished in LA? They finished other tracks, like Shine A Light and Sweet Virginia, in LA - but were they recordings they brought or did they start them over completely?
What [www.nzentgraf.de] says is that the LA sessions were for overdubs. Yet it seems that IJWTSHF, Turd On The Run and Torn And Frayed were recorded in LA, supposedly without Charlie.
EOMS consists of songs recorded for STICKY FINGERS (hence the ABKCO Music publishing on 5 songs or whatever on EOMS) which could've been a double album.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
guitarbastard
()
Date: June 18, 2019 18:31
one of my all time favourites and one of the few tracks i can listen to no matter what mood i'm in. it's uplifting and melancholic at the same time. outstanding song, outstanding performance!
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed (new)
Posted by:
Elmo Lewis
()
Date: June 19, 2019 20:39
Quote
Hairball
Absolute 100% perfection.
That wobbly pedal steel is the absolute highest quality.
Piano, drums, vocals, backup vocals, lyrics, acoustic/electric guitars, and everything else - ditto - perfection.
I use to imagine Lynyrd Skynyrd covering this back in the '70's, and while it would have been great imo - it would have never equaled the Stones version.
Some of Skynyrd's tunes actually may have directly lifted a huge amount of inspiration from this among several other Stones tunes (Dead Flowers, etc.).
A cover of this would have fit nicely on any of their albums.
Time to revisit Exile now...
Great point as LS had several similar sounding songs - I Never Dreamed, All I can Do Is Write About It, etc..
And I bet Mick could do a mean "Curtis Lowe"....
"No Anchovies, Please"
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed (new)
Posted by:
Elmo Lewis
()
Date: June 19, 2019 20:41
Quote
whitem8
One of their most beautiful songs. Like much of Exile, it is a journey. A slow paddle through the bayou with a lovely forlorn jaundiced rock star. Shades of green around the cheeks. A skeletal gypsy with a guitar, syringe, and Berber jewelry jangling round his neck. Joe's got that cough, and is always looking for a new doctor to heal his ills. Lovely acoustics punctuated by Charlie's sublime drumming. Just forceful enough to keep the song moving forward and punctuated with expert snare shots to intro in the lovely pedal steel. A perfect snap shot of the life of a rock n roll star on the road. . . so many temptations, so much loss, and so much alienation from humanity. All encapsulated in a perfect alt country ballad of epic proportions. It is no wonder they could never replicate it effectively on stage. It is a mood piece and a biting diary entry that just can't be replicated. It was from the moment. A snapshot. Faded by time and memory and passion. Loose gravel on a road to perdition.
What whitem8 said.
"No Anchovies, Please"
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: June 20, 2019 08:46
The absurdity of Torn And Frayed is interesting.
Not as a song but... as a song.
Because they already had a huge amount of songs leftover from LET IT BLEED and STICKY FINGERS. If you were to go by what has been documented, within the reason of what it says, they only used SIX songs from Keith's basement.
On top of what they already had prior to France, they recorded, as far as anyone knows, THREE more songs in Los Angeles.
What I've always found interesting is that no one can tell.
The whole France recording thing, it seems at the time they had created a myth. Yet they recorded more later. And had a lot prior.
EXILE was not quite a TATTOO YOU but it certainly had elements of it. A lot of elements of adding to leftovers.
Not as a song but... as a song.
Because they already had a huge amount of songs leftover from LET IT BLEED and STICKY FINGERS. If you were to go by what has been documented, within the reason of what it says, they only used SIX songs from Keith's basement.
On top of what they already had prior to France, they recorded, as far as anyone knows, THREE more songs in Los Angeles.
What I've always found interesting is that no one can tell.
The whole France recording thing, it seems at the time they had created a myth. Yet they recorded more later. And had a lot prior.
EXILE was not quite a TATTOO YOU but it certainly had elements of it. A lot of elements of adding to leftovers.
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed (new)
Posted by:
Spud
()
Date: June 20, 2019 12:38
Quote
Elmo LewisQuote
Hairball
Absolute 100% perfection.
That wobbly pedal steel is the absolute highest quality.
Piano, drums, vocals, backup vocals, lyrics, acoustic/electric guitars, and everything else - ditto - perfection.
I use to imagine Lynyrd Skynyrd covering this back in the '70's, and while it would have been great imo - it would have never equaled the Stones version.
Some of Skynyrd's tunes actually may have directly lifted a huge amount of inspiration from this among several other Stones tunes (Dead Flowers, etc.).
A cover of this would have fit nicely on any of their albums.
Time to revisit Exile now...
Great point as LS had several similar sounding songs - I Never Dreamed, All I can Do Is Write About It, etc..
And I bet Mick could do a mean "Curtis Lowe"....
I always thought it would be fun to hear what the Stones could do with "Gimme Three Steps"
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
Silver Dagger
()
Date: June 20, 2019 12:58
One of the absolute jewels in the Stones' crown. A tune that gets even better with age. Gettin' high - you can't beat it!
Re: Track Talk: Torn And Frayed
Posted by:
retired_dog
()
Date: June 20, 2019 19:15
Quote
GasLightStreet
The absurdity of Torn And Frayed is interesting.
Not as a song but... as a song.
Because they already had a huge amount of songs leftover from LET IT BLEED and STICKY FINGERS. If you were to go by what has been documented, within the reason of what it says, they only used SIX songs from Keith's basement.
On top of what they already had prior to France, they recorded, as far as anyone knows, THREE more songs in Los Angeles.
What I've always found interesting is that no one can tell.
The whole France recording thing, it seems at the time they had created a myth. Yet they recorded more later. And had a lot prior.
EXILE was not quite a TATTOO YOU but it certainly had elements of it. A lot of elements of adding to leftovers.
Some years ago, someone (good 'ole Alimente? gone and forgotten!) already claimed here that this whole Exile/Nellcote-thing was nothing more than a well-constructed myth because Exile was in fact their first "cleaning of the vaults" TATTOO YOU-style album, making heavy use of unreleased (and in many cases also unfinished) material from the years 1969-1971.
I tend to agree. But the question remains if it was ever really planned that way. Was it their original plan (probably also under the impression of their legal problems with ABKCO) to make as much use of their unreleased material as possible with only a handful of new recordings (Nellcote/LA) thrown in the mix or did they seriously intend to start a new album from scratch at Nellcote and only had to change their plan when they discovered that their Nellcote recordings were far away from a releasable album?
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