Is this totally live...no overdubs?

If so..I think it's the most brilliant piece of music ever performed/rehearsed

I mean listen to those voices..unreal

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It's playback with some live vocals.
I am always charmed by Keith's penchant for playing acoustic with no strap even when he's standing up

haha...me too. I do that with my spanish guitar..'lil lighter but it's not as hard as it seems. pretty natural actually. Just give the thing a big hug!

Sweet! Is there any advantage to it, though? Soundwise or whatever, I mean? Not just the show-off value :E
It may not be all that difficult but from watching Keith I can see it doesn't make anything easier either.
I guess it doesn't matter so much when it's playback but it's charmingly funny in some clips -
there's a YCAGWYW around somewhere where he nearly drops the thing and keeps laughing

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Sweet! Is there any advantage to it, though? Soundwise or whatever, I mean? Not just the show-off value :E
It may not be all that difficult but from watching Keith I can see it doesn't make anything easier either.
I guess it doesn't matter so much when it's playback but it's charmingly funny in some clips -
there's a YCAGWYW around somewhere where he nearly drops the thing and keeps laughing

I'll let mudbone tell if they have found any advantages (and I'll look forward to their perspective!). The only advantage I could even think of would be what you called "the show off value".

From my point of view, no advantages what-so-ever. Actually some disadvantages for me!

Peace,
Mr DJA

From a musicians point of view there is a massive difference. TO do it live the whole band would have to get a good take and it would time and money wise take much more. A simple playback with voice overs costs little in comparison and as discussed above, allows for a lot more posing and general shenanigans.

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From a musicians point of view there is a massive difference. TO do it live the whole band would have to get a good take and it would time and money wise take much more. A simple playback with voice overs costs little in comparison and as discussed above, allows for a lot more posing and general shenanigans.

They did a brilliant live take of Shake Your Hips. Less posing, though

That I understand - what I was trying to ask was whether there's any advantage
to playing an acoustic without a strap, apart from the show-off value.

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That I understand - what I was trying to ask was whether there's any advantage
to playing an acoustic without a strap, apart from the show-off value.

Sorry if I muddied the waters with my reply...

As I think about your question, the only advantage I can think of would be that, if one was used to playing without a strap, they'd always be prepared to play regardless of whether a strap was available. The only time I like to play without a strap is when I'm seated. In fact, I actually prefer it that way when I'm seated.

C'mon mudbone... Me & with sssoul are looking forward to your reply!

Peace,
Mr DJA

A handicap, not an advantage

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That I understand - what I was trying to ask was whether there's any advantage
to playing an acoustic without a strap, apart from the show-off value.

Sorry if I muddied the waters with my reply...

As I think about your question, the only advantage I can think of would be that, if one was used to playing without a strap, they'd always be prepared to play regardless of whether a strap was available. The only time I like to play without a strap is when I'm seated. In fact, I actually prefer it that way when I'm seated.

C'mon mudbone... Me & with sssoul are looking forward to your reply!

Peace,
Mr DJA

I would think there is definitely a bit of damping going on when you've got to grip your acoustic guitar in a hug, especially if you've got an arm on the soundboard. From a purely physics standpoint I guess there might be some minor differences based on the tensions and compression set up in the wood caused by hanging it from a strap.

The only reason you would play an acoustic guitar standing up with no strap is because you had no strap !

Loving cup is simply a geat track.

Keith *loves* to play acoustic standing up with no strap.
Not so much anymore, but watch him from the 60s through 90s.
I'm pretty sure he has all the straps he wants and then some,
but he removes them, eschews them, gives them dirty looks and does without them.
I guess he simply enjoys the challenge :E

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Keith *loves* to play acoustic standing up with no strap.
Not so much anymore, but watch him from the 60s through 90s.
I'm pretty sure he has all the straps he wants and then some,
but he removes them, eschews them, gives them dirty looks and does without them.
I guess he simply enjoys the challenge :E

His heroes looked cool doing it. Can't be any other explanation

I wish they would have played Loving Cup live during those rehearsals. Would have been much more interesting for us to hear. But I can see why they chose to do a singback -- a lot more convenient, and I guess it was intended as a promo video. It was shown on the Old Grey Whistle Test, if I recall correctly.

An extra value with that performance is that the song goes on longer than on Exile, so you get to hear a bit more of the coda.

Holding an (acoustic) guitar without a strap drives one crazy after a while.

Well...I like to sit down with an acoustic guitar..I think Keith does too.

Then..sometimes..when things are cooking..you get the urge to jump up and move and stuff.

So you do...and it's not that hard for the duration of a song. Longer will be challenge..but by then you've already got your yaya's out and you looked cool doing it.

spontaneous kind of thing

Soundwise? You have to work harder..I think that comes across. The sound will intensify. Look at keith hammering out SFM in some '72 clips. He's doing the same thing to his electric guitar at times. Agressive...spanish..and so on



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Well...I like to sit down with an acoustic guitar..I think Keith does too.

Then..sometimes..when things are cooking..you get the urge to jump up and move and stuff.

So you do...and it's not that hard for the duration of a song. Longer will be challenge..but by then you've already got your yaya's out and you looked cool doing it.

spontaneous kind of thing

Not for Keith, as he has done it several times for entire songs (on videos where he is miming).

Physically, it's a bit easier to play standing up without a strap when the guitar's capoed as high as Keith's is in that video, though.

I'm glad someone brought this performance up - I've been wondering why this track was not included with the other 3 - (Shake your Hips, Tumbling Dice and Jam) as bonus tracks on the Ladies & Gentlemen DVD. It would have been nice to have the complete set of 4 on there!

Probably saving it for the deluxe remastered version...

Whats great about that video is seeing Keith and Mick singing together in the same mic and hamonizing so well to that killer song. Obviously performed over pre recorded tracks. You get that knowing smile from Taylor at Keith which seems to say "this miming stuff is pretty silly isn't it", it obviously cracks MT up to be doing faux performances.

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Loving cup is simply a great track.

Truly. One of Nicky's finest moments.

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There's a song from Montreux that gives you a great insight into how
Taylor was a big part of their process. No one can deny the process
because here it is:

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Can anyone dispute what's going on here? This song typifies one way in
which Taylor was very much a Stone. No one can say what Jagger was
thinking. One can reasonably assume what Watts was thinking because on
more than one interview Watts gushes over Taylor's playing.

Mick Taylor's craftmanship cannot be denied. He should be returned to the Stones immediately.



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There's a song from Montreux that gives you a great insight into how
Taylor was a big part of their process. No one can deny the process
because here it is:

[www.youtube.com]





Can anyone dispute what's going on here? This song typifies one way in
which Taylor was very much a Stone. No one can say what Jagger was
thinking. One can reasonably assume what Watts was thinking because on
more than one interview Watts gushes over Taylor's playing.

In this clip he IS the Rolling Stones

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That I understand - what I was trying to ask was whether there's any advantage
to playing an acoustic without a strap, apart from the show-off value.

I don't think there's any advantage to it. The YCAGWYW is from one of the Ed Sullivan appearances, I believe, correct?

hmm...I don't really like MT's playing in that clip.
I understand why keith got bored with him..he is /was a phenomenal leadplayer but rythm...hmm. He's always too loud and doesn't seem to know when to hold back or put the gas on...

Ronnie is, like keith, a master at this.

Like James Brown said, a guitar is just another drum. You don't want your drum same tempo same volume all the time, at least I don't

The greats get this.. Not only do they get it, they can convey it. There's only a hand full of 'em

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That I understand - what I was trying to ask was whether there's any advantage
to playing an acoustic without a strap, apart from the show-off value.

I don't think there's any advantage to it. The YCAGWYW is from one of the Ed Sullivan appearances, I believe, correct?

I think it was a David Frost Show. I'll see if I can locate it.

Here you go:
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