I’ve seen some remark how much they dislike the ‘Sharks will cry’ lyric from ‘Sparks Will Fly’.

I always took it that shark meant ‘players’ or other ‘disreputable character's’ who lost out to Mick getting the girl he sniffed out among his old hunting grounds.

The girl was so hot all the others cried when they didn’t get her. I’ve never taken it to mean simply a fish crying.

This was my 1st Stones album I waited to come out. I became a fan after the Steel Wheels tour & before Voodoo.

Love the album & I love the fact that at this point in their game they threw on some tracks that for them were risky. Love the album & ALL the B-sides

"Well my heavy throbbers itchin' just to lay a solid rhythm down"



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Love the album & I love the fact that at this point in their game they threw on some tracks that for them were risky. Love the album & ALL the B-sides

One of the B-sides, for what reason I've never been able to find, is, inanely, from the 1977 SOME GIRLS sessions.

‘So Young’ even though from Some Girls, I thought went well w/ the rest of the material.

"Well my heavy throbbers itchin' just to lay a solid rhythm down"

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‘So Young’ even though from Some Girls, I thought went well w/ the rest of the material.

Yes. It fit well.

Apparently there was some to do about... I forget exactly, but supposedly some deluxe reissue of SOME GIRLS in 1994 (uhhhh... let's see, who would know that's... maybe Doxa or a couple others I'm drawing a blank on the correct spelling of) and, ha ha, like way later, additional overdubbing was done to it.

Somehow it got pegged for a B-side.

There's quite a few songs on the actual deluxe SOME GIRLS album that are absolute crap (about half) that could've been better served as a B-side or, even better yet, never released.

If there is a sticker stuck on the red and yellow vinyl edition stuck on the plastic, it is so difficult to understand

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If there is a sticker stuck on the red and yellow vinyl edition stuck on the plastic, it is so difficult to understand

Wait until release date (July 12th) when real pictures of the LPs become available.

Rocky Dijon's 2018 review firmly proves... the album was weak and mostly made of B-grade material!
"Baby, Break It Down" "Suck On The Jugular" "Mean Disposition" "Brand New Car" or "New Faces" are indistinguishable from true B-sides like "The Storm" or "Jump On Top..."

‘Rocky Dijon’s 2018 review firmly proves…. proves his opinion is better than others who like Voodoo Lounge ?? Huh?

Music is subjective, one man’s Brown Sugar is another man’s Miss You is another man’s Love Is Strong is another man’s Too Much Blood.

"Well my heavy throbbers itchin' just to lay a solid rhythm down"

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I’ve seen some remark how much they dislike the ‘Sharks will cry’ lyric from ‘Sparks Will Fly’.

I always took it that shark meant ‘players’ or other ‘disreputable character's’ who lost out to Mick getting the girl he sniffed out among his old hunting grounds.

The girl was so hot all the others cried when they didn’t get her. I’ve never taken it to mean simply a fish crying.

Rocky Dijon’s 2018 review rigorously proves that the tears of the sharks referenced in ‘Sparks Will Fly,’ which Mick claimed to observe during a scuba-diving expedition to Cape Town in 1992, would be indistinguishable from the saltwater in which the sharks were swimming. However, he does not rule out the possibility that rising sea levels could be attributable to a surge in the number of sad fish. In this regard, it would be interesting to know how many copies of Voodoo Lounge were dumped into the oceans…besides Rocky’s.

My opinion on Voodoo Lounge has changed a lot over the years.

It was the first album that was released after I became a Stones fan. So it made quite an impression on the 14 year old Jalfstra. I loved songs like Sparks will Fly and I Go Wild, but nowadays I think those songs aren't that great actually.

I do love songs like Blinded by Rainbows, Love is Strong, Out of Tears and Thru and Thru, but I have to admit there is a lot of mediocrity on the album.

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‘So Young’ even though from Some Girls, I thought went well w/ the rest of the material.

Yes. It fit well.

Apparently there was some to do about... I forget exactly, but supposedly some deluxe reissue of SOME GIRLS in 1994 (uhhhh... let's see, who would know that's... maybe Doxa or a couple others I'm drawing a blank on the correct spelling of) and, ha ha, like way later, additional overdubbing was done to it.

Somehow it got pegged for a B-side.

There's quite a few songs on the actual deluxe SOME GIRLS album that are absolute crap (about half) that could've been better served as a B-side or, even better yet, never released.

i belive your correct so young was worked on in the early 90's for the abandoned idea of adding bonus tracks to certain albums (i think it would have been to early for the memory motel project)

same project produced the 90's overdubs on living in the heart of love (if i remember this correctly someone correct me if i'm wrong)

I think Voodoo is a musically very conservative record( Thank you Don Was). It seems that the early 90's zeitgeist was trying to capture the 70's spirit.
Woodoo is great because it sounds very familiar, almost predictable and lots of listeners enjoy that feeling when listening to music. Others don't, they want something new. I love Woodoo Lounge.

From the comments, I'd say this is a very underrated album. Musically it is pretty damn good and diverse. Lyrics might be weak here and there ("sharks will cry" and Love Is Strong) but the vocals are very strong. I can't find fault in the music, Love is Strong, Moon Is Up, Brand New Car, Sweethearts, Break It Down, Mean Disposition, etc. I still enjoy it very much!

Don Was was the wrong person for the job.

I loved it when it came out. Loved it for a year.

It took a while for me to understand: he neutered them.

BRIDGES, as much as Keith hates it, apparently (yet likes what he did with Don Was), is way better, overall.

BANG is way better overall. Don Was was on his way out with that one. Mastering ruined a pretty damn good record.

VOODOO is just the Stones covering themselves.

Keith: Let me take Wicked As It Seems and...

They got behind it, toured it, played 5 songs from it, whatever. The 90210 show is embarrassing. But that's what it was then.

B-sides better than half of the album.

It fits in with TSMR and DW as bad albums by The Rolling Stones.

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Don Was was the wrong person for the job.

I loved it when it came out. Loved it for a year.

It took a while for me to understand: he neutered them.

BRIDGES, as much as Keith hates it, apparently (yet likes what he did with Don Was), is way better, overall.

BANG is way better overall. Don Was was on his way out with that one. Mastering ruined a pretty damn good record.

VOODOO is just the Stones covering themselves.

Keith: Let me take Wicked As It Seems and...

They got behind it, toured it, played 5 songs from it, whatever. The 90210 show is embarrassing. But that's what it was then.

B-sides better than half of the album.

It fits in with TSMR and DW as bad albums by The Rolling Stones.

I agree almost completely. First Stones-album I don´t love in it´s entierly but only special songs.
I only disagree with DW as bad album. I don´t want to refresh the old discussion but If they would clean Dirty Workt from the ugly 80s-production especially get rid of that huge reverb, there would be a new shining album, especially if they would include some gems as Strictly Memphis...

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I don´t want to refresh the old discussion but If they would clean Dirty Workt from the ugly 80s-production especially get rid of that huge reverb, there would be a new shining album, especially if they would include some gems as Strictly Memphis...

It is a shame what they left off that's really good. And yeah, the mix doesn't help.

It will never happen but if Giles Martin remixed DW to sound like an actual album, regardless of additional songs, you know it would sound amazing.

Yeah, they should round Giles Martin up to have a go at a couple of, shall we say, less than optimally presented albums...[IORR springs to mind ].

I wasn't 100% happy with GHS because the emphasis on certain instruments within the soundstage was shifted on some tracks where perhaps it shouldn't have been.

..but maybe that's just the sensation of hearing a balance you're not used to ?

And there is a certain veiled mystique to the GHS we're all familiar with ...but it's nice to have that alternative listen when we have our "audiophile" heads on


Edited to add, after the above distraction...

I listened to the whole of VL last night, via the Abbey Road remaster, and thoroughly enjoyed it.

I agree with with a few folks above, and if you're in the mood for some safe Rolling Stones...it pretty much hits the mark.



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Yeah, they should round Giles Martin up to have a go at a couple of, shall we say, less than optimally presented albums...[IORR springs to mind ].

I wasn't 100% happy with GHS because the emphasis on certain instruments within the soundstage was shifted on some tracks where perhaps it shouldn't have been.

..but maybe that's just the sensation of hearing a balance you're not used to ?

And there is a certain veiled mystique to the GHS we're all familiar with ...but it's nice to have that alternative listen when we have our "audiophile" heads on

There are the Virgin remasters and the UMe disasters... so Giles Martin remixing GHS was a treat.

It's not going to sound like the original, Martin was not exactly "modernizing" it but just a slightly different approach. Hence no scream in Mr D (as I recall).

I thought it was excellent. I liked the difference. It's subtle, nothing glaring. Nothing outrageous.

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Yeah, they should round Giles Martin up to have a go at a couple of, shall we say, less than optimally presented albums...[IORR springs to mind ].

I wasn't 100% happy with GHS because the emphasis on certain instruments within the soundstage was shifted on some tracks where perhaps it shouldn't have been.

..but maybe that's just the sensation of hearing a balance you're not used to ?

And there is a certain veiled mystique to the GHS we're all familiar with ...but it's nice to have that alternative listen when we have our "audiophile" heads on

There are the Virgin remasters and the UMe disasters... so Giles Martin remixing GHS was a treat.

It's not going to sound like the original, Martin was not exactly "modernizing" it but just a slightly different approach. Hence no scream in Mr D (as I recall).

I thought it was excellent. I liked the difference. It's subtle, nothing glaring. Nothing outrageous.

Yep, agreed .

In sonic terms I'd probably take it over anything other than a good original pressing, which has more air and clarity than anything in between.

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Original B-sides releases...

LOL it sounds like he's got STRIPPED - or one of those shows - on a shuffle playing in the background!

5 more days until VOODOO is... uhhh, 30 years old?

THIRTY!!!???

That seems really strange. 5 albums ago (including B&L)!

The reissue is quite underwhelming. It almost seems ridiculous - there's gotta be more finished leftovers that they could've put with this. Aren't those B-sides on Spotify etc?

Has this already been brought up? I can't remember and I didn't go back in the pages. It popped up in something last night and I almost forgot about it today.

It will be available as a two-LP set featuring one red disc and one yellow disc. A deluxe version will feature a bonus 10-inch white-vinyl disc boasting four tracks previously unreleased on vinyl: “I’m Gonna Drive,” “So Young,” “Jump On Top of Me,” and “The Storm.”

[americansongwriter.com]

Until whatever else at some point, if, this 30th anniversary reissue will stand as the weakest reissue. They could've thrown in the Love Is Strong Bob Clearmountain remix, which is excellent (an actual remix), maybe one of the Teddy Riley remixes, which were decently cheeky, the Bob Clearmountain remix edit of Out Of Tears and the Scott Litt remix of I Go Wild, which is better than the LP version (to my ears).

You'll notice I left one out because all of the remixes for it suck. Ridiculous weight lifting gym workout too much X in the club remixes.

Think they'll play something from it? OMG why did I say that, of course they'll play YGMR. Nevermind.

I like It’s Funny, Zipmouth Angel and Middle of Sea.I’d like some demos of songs .And I don’t like the original mix.It sounds dull on some really good songs

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I like It’s Funny, Zipmouth Angel and Middle of Sea.I’d like some demos of songs .And I don’t like the original mix.It sounds dull on some really good songs

I don't think a better mix can make such mind numbingly bad songs as You Got Me Rocking, Sparks Will Fly, New Faces, Sweethearts Together and Blinded By Rainbows any better, or tepid tracks like Brand New Car, Suck On The Jugular (The Meters they are not) and I Go Wild, and improve them. Scott Litt remixed I Go Wild and it's just a different mix of a motionless noise (Ronnie's playing is pretty good, though).

When I first heard Love Is Strong my initial reaction was Holy crap this is awesome! and then WTF they're aping SFTD? What the hell is wrong with them? And then the second shock hit - it's very familiar... oh, it's Wicked As It Seems by the Stones. The video... eh. A little bit silly.

I played VL the other day and after Out Of Tears I stopped it (I didn't even get halfway through YGMR and SWF). 4 good songs out of (the first) 7 of 15 (!) does not hold up.

I used to not stand Thru And Thru but it grew on me. The two Keith songs are great. Mean Disposition is bizarrely excellent. That nice triplet starts off with the great Baby Break It Down.

You can read where Mick and Keith are all IT'S GREAT! etc all caught up in it and later they admit, What, it's new, I'm not gonna dog it.

Bizarrely VOODOO makes STEEL WHEELS seem better and better the past few years - SW is a bit of a squeaky weathervane - and makes BRIDGES seem more and more brilliant - even with the bad songs.


I dunno. Whatever. VOODOO hasn't aged well for me. I read whatever and sometimes I wonder... what the hell are they talking about because I don't hear it - other than the slow things:

Sometimes Mick winds me up just to get me going, because he needs a bit of fire. And then I'll yell and he'll get angry, I'll make him pissed off, and then we got the blood flowing. We kind of play with it in a way. Almost as much as we play the instruments, we play each other. Mick goes through his things. But to me Mick seemed to be ten times happier than I'd seen him in years. He was comfortable within the band and with what he was doing, and really into it. On Voodoo Lounge Mick and I were still getting used to actually enjoying working together again.

- Keith Richards, 1994

(Laughs) Yeah, there were a few intense moments. I don't particularly enjoy intense moments. People get very wound up about their songs. I do. Very precious. Very proprietorial. Everyone's playing them wrong. Play it faster, Keith, for Christ's sake, we can't play it this slow, everyone is falling @#$%& asleep! That was the source of some interesting discussions with Keith. Because if it doesn't get me up on to my feet then I get bored. But Keith just like things too slow and sometimes I have to give in and let him have his... slow things.

- Mick Jagger, June 1994

Mick likes things too fast. He's always been like that. He wants it all to be like it is live. If he had his way, our albums would be over in seconds. Zzzzzp! I like to have that buzz from the tempo. I hate things going too fast. But tempo isn't such a bad thing to argue about. I reckon with 95% of things to do with the Stones, Mick and I agree.

- Keith Richards, June 1994

[timeisonourside.com]

...for me,one of their best albums...

I like Love Is Strong, You Got Me Rocking (it's a no-brainer but it works live), Sweethearts Together and Baby Break It Down.
The rest I don't care about. The few times on VL that they try to do something original (New Faces, Moon is Up, Suck On The Jugular), they fail.

It's not a good album. From all the post-Tattoo You albums, it's probably their most uninspired and boring one. The only reason A Bigger Bang is worse is because it has a couple of even worse songs on it (Infamy and Sweet Neocon).

I love the record and I love the dry, Was-influenced sound. It's how they should sound like.

The opposite of the MOR-drums and "wet" production of HD's Get Close.

I'm a big fan of all things VL. But I have to say this release falls very short. Like U2 (Zooropa LP) they could of at least put it in a silver foil sleeve if they're not going to give anymore music. Oh well.

I personally like/love Voodoo.

That said, pick out your 10-12 favorites (including Jump On Top and You Got It Made(?)) as the album is way too long.

Mine:

Love Is Strong
Jump Of Top
You Got It Made
Moon Is Up
Mean Disposition
The Worst

I Go Wild
Brand New Car
Thru And Thru
Blinded By Rainbows
Baby Break It Down
Out Of Tears

Sorry for 3 Keith songs, but that's the way it is.

Elmo, I can't dispute your selection. Great!