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I highly doubt Jagger was playing acoustic on a basic tracking session. My gut tells me it’s Taylor on acoustic and Richards on electric and this was done when Hopkins was in Jamaica. Maybe they overdubbed in LA, but it’s strange that’s Taylor’s memory of this particular song if he had no input.

I can imagine that you don't exactly remember what you played or did not play some 50 years ago. Certainly when it's a track that is not very upfront in the mix.

Well, wasn't it in this case that it was just 9 years or so (Taylor hearing the track in TATTOO YOU and then talking about it)... But yeah, even then it might be somehow within grasp that one, say, recalls the track and having involved in making it, but whether one's contribution actually made the finished track is another thing. Or what one actually even contributed. As we know, The Stones sessions, and how the songs developed in those circumstances, could have been pretty peculiar ones ... Generally I think Taylor (and not only him) along the years has made some pretty strange and sometimes even contradictory remarks about his own contributions in certain Stones tracks. He doesn't seem to have making notes and memory famously tends to make tricks...

This is not putting him down, or sounding like a judge, but just trying to understand the context.

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The strangest might be «all the ballads were written by me»

To be fair, he said "mostly". In 1974, he thought he was going to receive credit for three songs on IORR. All three are ballads.

Then of course there is Moonlight Mile. He contributed heavily to Shine a Light and Winter. Maybe he is using the term "written" looser than we are assuming.



Charlie said he played beautifully on Loving Cup: "He gave terrific beauty to the tracks he played on: Loving Cup was a good one."

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Then of course there is Moonlight Mile. He contributed heavily to Shine a Light and Winter. Maybe he is using the term "written" looser than we are assuming.



Charlie said he played beautifully on Loving Cup: "He gave terrific beauty to the tracks he played on: Loving Cup was a good one."

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It sounds like the electric had a mike on it and the amp is mixed on top, because there's some strum and the ring of the strum is the amp sound at the same time. The acoustic is completely different.

I doubt they would mic the actual electric guitar. Perhaps Jagger was in the room (or playing the acoustic) and it’s bleed from that.

To put it lightly, I've been involved with that kind of recording. It's unusual but it is a way of tracking, to find a sound otherwise, to add depth. WOAF absolutely has that sound with the electric guitar: there's the amp and there's the strings, audible within nano-seconds. Having done that, that's what it sounds like to me. I could be wrong. But Keith was about that kind of thing and they, based on things I've read, only did a few things "otherwise" occasionally (Tie You Up is another perfect example).

Aside from that, the Stones, unlike the Beatles, overall, were/are more interested in the room sound and have done quite a few different things over the years with recording the room.

That's just what I hear (and read). It's not a fact, really, in regard to WOAF, I just expressed it. I'm either 100% wrong or right - and it doesn't mean shit anyway because Keith etc have never said.

Yet the sound they got with Time Waits For No One is quite similar to WOAF and a few other GHS songs. There's a sound, the drums kind of give it away, that had changed with GHS and continued with IORR but started so, subtly, change with BAB. By SG it was a completely different band.

If Mick Taylor had stayed... it was changing big time... and if he had stayed, his idea of being a Rolling Stone in 1977-78 might've been drastically different - and I don't mean When The Whip Comes Down etc.

He talked about downtime. 1977 was huge with downtime. It possibly felt like three years for them. Taylor would've lost it completely.

Great for a heroin addict, though.

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Then of course there is Moonlight Mile. He contributed heavily to Shine a Light and Winter. Maybe he is using the term "written" looser than we are assuming.



Charlie said he played beautifully on Loving Cup: "He gave terrific beauty to the tracks he played on: Loving Cup was a good one."

Taylor states the end riff was his, Richards states the end riff was something he was playing for some time. On Shine a Light and Winter Taylor plays fantastic lead guitar, yes.

I never heard that statement from Charlie before. It's a strange statement as Taylor doesn't play on Loving Cup.

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